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Post by rangers on May 31, 2009 11:55:06 GMT
So all the teams are now signed up for next season- lets strip away this 'conditional' signing up notion, a lot of teams, Ferrari most significantly, have had to eat humble pie ( whats the joke ' How many reverse gears does a Ferrari have' . Throwing their toys out of the pram hasnt worked. Ross Brawn must be quielty smiling to himself and could obviously see where Ferrari were heading when he stepped down a couple of seasons ago. Schumacher wont be seen to hang around with Ferrari too long - any bets he turns up in the Brawn garage as a 'consultant' in the not too distant future. I actually see this as the beginning of the end of the the most recent Ferrari 'era'. Ferrari will no longer be able to use their influence with the FIA, Mosley has clearly won the battle albeit that the cap wont come in until 2011. HL I think everyone knew that Ferrari et al were never going to walk away from F1 - certainly for political reasons. It will be great to see whichever three teams get the spot - I hope its Prodrive/Aston Martin (With Prodrives experience in top line motorsport, surely they cant make the same mistakes as Jaguar?) Lola and USF1. THe future of F1 has never looked brighter.
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 4, 2009 18:55:36 GMT
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8083296.stmI know this isn't gonna happen, but just say the 9 FOTA teams decided to break away from F1 and set up a new championship under rules similar to the current F1 and with all their current drivers, leaving Max to his F1 Lite with all his new lightweight teams. Say FOTA's races were on TV at the same time as F1 Lite's races. What would you watch? I reckon I'd watch the FOTA races without even having to think about it much. (OK in reality I'd prob watch the FOTA races and record F1 Lite to watch later, but imagine you had to chose between one or the other, which would you watch?)
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 9, 2009 8:36:17 GMT
There is the same chance of the title going down to the wire as in a 'points' championship. Looking at the last couple of seasons, the sport has been closer than ever, (7 different winners last year) so the odds of one man winning the first 8 races are minimal at best (Until Schumachers dominance, the record was 5 on the trot.) Even if he did under a 'points system,' there is a fair chance he would be all but mathematically champion anyway, so that argument is franlky naive and short sighted. Anyone else glad Bernie's plan didn't get implemented this year? I know Button is running away with the title as things stand and it's likely to be over long before the last race, but if it was all on the race wins the driver's championship would effectively be over already and could be mathematically over within 3 races by the end of July with 7 races left to run!
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Post by Louisa on Jun 14, 2009 17:07:37 GMT
Please sign the petition supporting FOTA in their battles with the FIA. Once you have signed, please forward this to as many peeps as possible. www.ipetitions.com/petition/wesupportfota/When you have signed the petition, it will ask for a donation. You do NOT need to do this, simply hit the back button in your browser, and then hit the Signatures tab to check that your name is there.
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Post by rangers on Jun 14, 2009 17:38:00 GMT
There is the same chance of the title going down to the wire as in a 'points' championship. Looking at the last couple of seasons, the sport has been closer than ever, (7 different winners last year) so the odds of one man winning the first 8 races are minimal at best (Until Schumachers dominance, the record was 5 on the trot.) Even if he did under a 'points system,' there is a fair chance he would be all but mathematically champion anyway, so that argument is franlky naive and short sighted. Anyone else glad Bernie's plan didn't get implemented this year? I know Button is running away with the title as things stand and it's likely to be over long before the last race, but if it was all on the race wins the driver's championship would effectively be over already and could be mathematically over within 3 races by the end of July with 7 races left to run! TO be fair, the championship is already over anyway. Which ever system you use, Button would have been over the hill and far away. And its the best thing to happen to F1 for ages. ;D
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 16, 2009 8:41:33 GMT
Anyone else glad Bernie's plan didn't get implemented this year? I know Button is running away with the title as things stand and it's likely to be over long before the last race, but if it was all on the race wins the driver's championship would effectively be over already and could be mathematically over within 3 races by the end of July with 7 races left to run! TO be fair, the championship is already over anyway. Which ever system you use, Button would have been over the hill and far away. And its the best thing to happen to F1 for ages. ;D The championship is practically already over but with a crucial difference. With Bernie's plan in place Button could take the rest of the year off. With the current (and to a lesser extent, the proposed) points system Button still needs to finish near the top of the points scorers for the majority of the remaining races to take the title. If he should fail to finish 3 races in the points for whatever reason (unlikely as that may be but it's very possible) and Rubens wins them then Button would no longer be championship leader, never mind championship winner.
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 19, 2009 8:20:00 GMT
Not exactly surprised. I think Mosley needs to either make serious compromises and/or leave for this to be sorted any other way.
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Post by rangers on Jun 19, 2009 10:02:24 GMT
I doubt it will happen. Every other year there are threats of a breakaway series - I think in the late 90s they even released a calander of dates for this new series - but Bernie compramised (well the teams listened) and nowt happened. Exactly the same will happen again. The F1 teams need Bernie - they know it and he knows it.
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 19, 2009 10:48:26 GMT
I doubt it will happen. Every other year there are threats of a breakaway series - I think in the late 90s they even released a calander of dates for this new series - but Bernie compramised (well the teams listened) and nowt happened. Exactly the same will happen again. The F1 teams need Bernie - they know it and he knows it. Bernie isn't the main issue this time though. Max is. And last time the compromise involved $100m in Ferrari's back pocket. I do think it's more likely that the FOTA teams will stay in F1 than set up their own series, but I wouldn't rule it out. I think the linchpin that all this hinges on (barring a serious compromise from Max) is how tight the contracts are that bind Ferrari and Red Bull to F1.
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Post by rangers on Jun 19, 2009 11:03:42 GMT
Bernie will ensure the regs are changed so FOTA agree. He is the man in the middle with the most to lose, and will get it sorted. Max seems very sure Ferrari will stay in F1, and it is Ferrari that brings the most money and coverage into the sport.
To be honest, I'd watch both the 'FOTA' F1 and the 'FIA' F1 if there was a rival series set up, so wouldn't bother me too much.
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Post by rangers on Jun 24, 2009 12:54:08 GMT
FIA and FOTA reach an agreement to stage unified F1 championship next year.
And in slightly less predictable news, night follows day.
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 24, 2009 13:19:17 GMT
FIA and FOTA reach an agreement to stage unified F1 championship next year. And in slightly less predictable news, night follows day. Sounds like there won't be a £40m budget cap next year too, also no surprise. Neither is the fact that Max has promised to stand down in October - though it's not the first time he's promised to do that. The teams had better hope the agreement is water tight as Max's word is worth squat.
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Post by Peacock on Jun 24, 2009 13:38:23 GMT
The teams had better hope the agreement is water tight as Max's word is worth squat. As "watertight as Max's latex underpants" is a phrase I saw on another forum, making the same point as you.
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 26, 2009 11:55:35 GMT
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Post by Fraggle on Jun 26, 2009 12:33:30 GMT
Aaarrrgh! He is such a sneaky git! I despair. Surely Bernie won't allow him back in after the teams agreed not to break away on the condition he definately goes!! (I think he has shown that his prioirty is keeping f1 going, not his long standing collaboration with pervy Max.) He can't keep going back on his word and chucking his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his own way. Not that he acts like a dictator at all...like father like son
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Post by Heanor Lair on Jun 28, 2009 23:20:29 GMT
Mosley is history, and is making himslef look a fool.
he no longer has the confoidence of bernie, and frankly the FIA are now being made to look stupid because of Mosley
HL
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Post by Fraggle on Jul 16, 2009 12:18:31 GMT
As predicted Torro Rosso have binned the underperfoming Sebastian Bourdais. They've not announced his replacement yet.
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Post by Wirral Panther on Jul 25, 2009 20:47:57 GMT
After Massa`s Crash in Qualifying today, he has been ruled out of tomorrows race. So what will Ferrari do? Will they run just 1 car, or will they repair Massa`s car & put their reserve/test driver in there?
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Post by Peacock on Jul 25, 2009 21:40:03 GMT
After Massa`s Crash in Qualifying today, he has been ruled out of tomorrows race. So what will Ferrari do? Will they run just 1 car, or will they repair Massa`s car & put their reserve/test driver in there? They can't do that.
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Post by rangers on Jul 26, 2009 8:08:48 GMT
to be honest, I just hope felipe makes a good recovery. After last weeks events as Brands, it is a very worrying incident. Rubens made a point that something has to be done about cockpit safety. What that is i (and he) doesnt know.
on the ferrari drivers situation I doubt Massa will be able to race again this season if he has 2 skull fractures - be interesting to see who they go with for the rest of the year.
Kimi now has to be a leader - and i cant think of anyone worse in F1 for that job
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Post by Peacock on Jul 26, 2009 10:18:37 GMT
to be honest, I just hope felipe makes a good recovery. After last weeks events as Brands, it is a very worrying incident. Rubens made a point that something has to be done about cockpit safety. What that is i (and he) doesnt know. on the ferrari drivers situation I doubt Massa will be able to race again this season if he has 2 skull fractures - be interesting to see who they go with for the rest of the year. Kimi now has to be a leader - and i cant think of anyone worse in F1 for that job With regard to cockpit safety, I don't really see what they can do. By the very nature of the Formula, it's open wheel, open cockpit racing. If you enclose the cockpit, it's not Formula 1. You can be sure though that the Brawn mechanic responsible for that corner of the car will be feeling horrible today. Whilst an unfortunate accident, it seems that that is exactly what it was...an accident.
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Post by rangers on Jul 26, 2009 10:37:22 GMT
The problem is after two accidents, which in some ways were very similar, which has left one driver dead and another fighting for his life (and 2 high profile drivers at that) there will be calls for something to be done - like after Imola when we had loads of micky mouse chicanes. F1 (and single seater racing in general) has to avoid knee jerk reactions and making stupid calls.
I agree that closing off the cockpit would be wrong - Rubi said as much yesterday, and I'm sure most in F1 would agree.
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Post by rangers on Jul 26, 2009 10:41:28 GMT
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