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Post by dms41853 on Mar 28, 2009 11:34:08 GMT
i'm glad that smug so and so is down the grid... come on jenson!!!
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Post by Doughnut on Mar 29, 2009 6:38:36 GMT
i'm glad that smug so and so is down the grid... come on jenson!!! lol ... good job Jenson's never smug eh
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Post by rangers on Mar 29, 2009 9:57:09 GMT
Just an amazing result. Just incredible. Ross Brawn is a genius. So pleased for him - without a doubt the brains behind Schueys success, and it was one of the great F1 moments seeing him on the top step on his teams F1 debut getting a 1-2.
And who knew that Rubens could have a career in Touring Cars after he finishes in F1!
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Post by dms41853 on Mar 29, 2009 10:17:44 GMT
i'm glad that smug so and so is down the grid... come on jenson!!! lol ... good job Jenson's never smug eh great point lol, at least he has had a year of rubbish so he lost a bit of his smugness.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Mar 29, 2009 22:58:34 GMT
Really pleased Button got the win, really got into F1 last season and couldn't wait for the new one to start rolling
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Post by rangers on Apr 2, 2009 9:29:13 GMT
Lewis Hamilton disqualified from Australian GP for lying to the stewards. Trulli back up to 3rd. :-)
Once again predicting a Ruben win for Sunday - if he can avoid pressing the pit lane speed limiter at the start, that is...
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Post by sparta on Apr 2, 2009 9:46:03 GMT
Lewis Hamilton disqualified from Australian GP for lying to the stewards. Trulli back up to 3rd. :-) Classy guy.
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Post by MP on Apr 2, 2009 9:52:18 GMT
LoL - the farce continues!
Is it still April 1st?
"with the FIA ruling that there had been a breach of the international sporting code"
F1's Rule Book must be nearly as obscure and arcane as the EIHLs' - Toyota had decided not to appeal Trulli's penalty as in their view, the appeal would have stood no chance!
Will McLaren appeal I wonder?
Welcome to F1 - the home of endurance racing (where deciding who won the race takes weeks - and may the best legal team win....)
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Post by rangers on Apr 2, 2009 10:00:03 GMT
It was actually obvious from Sunday that this would happen - I was shocked Toyota didn't appeal the decision earlier this week. I remember Jarno saying 'Lewis pulled over by the side of the track. I had no choice to pass him.' I assumed that meant Lewis had been told to let trulli through. Seems it was the case - but Mclaren lied to the stewards. If they had told the truth originally, they would have got the same penalty as Trulli, I am sure - no points - maybe enven no penalty as the correct finishing order would have remained. They tried to lie in a pathetic attempt to cheat their way to the podium. They failed, they got what was coming to them. Its that simple.
Its a shame because Lewis had a great drive.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 2, 2009 10:07:56 GMT
Welcome to F1 - the home of endurance racing (where deciding who won the race takes weeks - and may the best legal team win....) Have we even got the final result yet, or does it still depend on the outcome of that appeal over Brawn's (and others) diffuser? (Or did I miss that?)
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Post by rangers on Apr 2, 2009 10:12:39 GMT
Welcome to F1 - the home of endurance racing (where deciding who won the race takes weeks - and may the best legal team win....) Have we even got the final result yet, or does it still depend on the outcome of that appeal over Brawn's (and others) diffuser? (Or did I miss that?) Appeal against the diffusers to be heard on April 14
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 2, 2009 10:17:49 GMT
F1's Rule Book must be nearly as obscure and arcane as the EIHLs' - Toyota had decided not to appeal Trulli's penalty as in their view, the appeal would have stood no chance! The F1 rule book is very arcane, partly due to the complexity of the sport and partly due to how the rules have evolved over time. One major difference between the EIHL's rule book and F1's rule book is that F1's rule book exists ( see here). Another major difference is that F1's rules are enforced by an independent (from the teams) organisation and appeals and punishments are openly discussed.
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Post by rangers on Apr 3, 2009 7:21:21 GMT
Heard today there is a chance (it'll never happen, mind) that Lewis could be thrown out of the championship for lying to the stewards.
He then goes and helps his cause by speeding in the pitlane.
McLaren want to know why the FIA is always peanalising them? Because they keep breaking the rules. Stop doing that and - you never know - they might not get any penalties. Its actually becoming beyond a joke now.
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Post by oldman on Apr 3, 2009 23:19:57 GMT
difference between us and the yanks they get a winner in any sport they respect them and put them on a pedestal , we get any world beater and we cannot wait to knock them off their pedestal!
And people wonder why we are good losers!
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Post by Fraggle on Apr 6, 2009 13:34:14 GMT
...we cannot wait to knock them off their pedestal!I think Lewis is falling rather than being knocked off his pedastal. Luckilly McLaren have a fall guy/scapegoat they have suspended to try to deflect any mud sticking to the golden boy And if Martin Whitmarsh thinks anyone believes he didn't have any knowledge and involvement in the lies, he's in dreamland. McLaren are a shambles at the momnet. Hope they can sort it out soon
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Post by rangers on Apr 6, 2009 13:46:03 GMT
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 8, 2009 8:31:50 GMT
The charges being brought against McLaren by the FIA, to be heard in Paris on 29th April:
Can't see how they can wriggle out of this one. It'll be interesting to see how severely they get punished. I hope they get the book thrown at them.
P.S. I think Hamilton should be punished further too but it doesn't look like he will be. I expect a hefty fine for McLaren.
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Post by Fraggle on Apr 8, 2009 12:54:46 GMT
Yep looks like it's a pretty clear cut case against the team. I think you're right - can see MLaren getting a hefty fine and Hamilton getting off. I'm thoroughly hacked off with McLaren now. Having supported them for years and stuck by them through the Alonso shambles (I was firmly on their side - how dare Alonso try to blackmail them etc) I thought Ferrari-gate was as bad as it could get, but no - they have even more to give in their devious, underhanded, blatant attempts at cheating it seems. I can no longer excuse their conduct. I need a new team to support. But who?
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Post by rangers on Apr 8, 2009 13:09:19 GMT
I used to have a lot of respect for Mclaren. I thought Ron used to do a great job, teh drivers used to be full of charisma and personality (Ayrton, Gerhard, Brundle etc), and I almost have the same respect for Newey as I do with Ross Brawn. And that Marlboro livery has not been matched since - a true classic. But recently they have become dull and characterless, who are always complaining about something, which is never their fault - seemed to start with the '3rd pedal' problems a few years back. Lewis aside, I have not rated their drivers since Brundle (DC was OK, Hakkinen was vastly over-rated - in his early days he created more accidents than anyone, and had it not been for his huge smash at Oz 95, there would be no way he would have won the title)
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Post by MP on Apr 8, 2009 23:39:54 GMT
I need a new team to support. But who? Just steer clear of the prancing pony young lady - that would be a step too far! ;D
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 9, 2009 8:09:58 GMT
Yep looks like it's a pretty clear cut case against the team. I think you're right - can see MLaren getting a hefty fine and Hamilton getting off. I'm thoroughly hacked off with McLaren now. Having supported them for years and stuck by them through the Alonso shambles (I was firmly on their side - how dare Alonso try to blackmail them etc) I thought Ferrari-gate was as bad as it could get, but no - they have even more to give in their devious, underhanded, blatant attempts at cheating it seems. I can no longer excuse their conduct. I need a new team to support. But who? I guess Braun GP would be your obvious choice.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Apr 9, 2009 12:04:24 GMT
Im McLaren through and through, and will stick with the team come what may.
Personally I wish the FIA would clean its act up, last season was a shambles, the FIA did everything in its powers to ensure the compertition went down to the last race - the rule book was thrown out of the window to ensure Massa was still in with a chance.
This season the FIA are in a complete dilemma - Ferrari nil points, the car is a bag of nails, McLaren have only 1 point, and so cant be punished by the FIA (unless they give them say -20 points so as to make sure Ferrari are one step ahead). The poor FIA cant even punish McLaren in the diffuser row (indeed Mclaren didnt even appeal against the diffusers - the biggest noise makers were...you guessed).
The silver machines will always have my respect.
HL
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Post by rangers on Apr 14, 2009 13:55:52 GMT
As the Diffuser hearing gets underway Ferrari's lawyer describes Ross Brawn as a man of 'supreme arrogance.'
A disgusting comment, especially considering the success Ross brought to that team. I have always had respect for Ferrari, through thick and thin, as I think they go racing with more flair than anyone else, but that comment is below the belt.
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 14, 2009 15:42:29 GMT
As the Diffuser hearing gets underway Ferrari's lawyer describes Ross Brawn as a man of 'supreme arrogance.' A disgusting comment, especially considering the success Ross brought to that team. I have always had respect for Ferrari, through thick and thin, as I think they go racing with more flair than anyone else, but that comment is below the belt. It does sound harsh, but when I read things like: "I would just be surprised if the appeal court can make judgements on technicalities - it's quite a complex technical matter," he [Brawn] told BBC Sport. "You can't be 100% confident but I hope common sense prevails on their side." I can see where Ferrari's lawyer is coming from (much as I like Brawn). In the above quote Brawn basically sounds like he's saying that he thinks the appeal court judges aren't clever enough to rule on the matter so he reckons he'll be fine. When he says "I hope common sense prevails" what he's basically saying is that he thinks his view on the matter is the common sense view, which its self is very much up for debate.
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Post by rangers on Apr 14, 2009 16:10:48 GMT
As the Diffuser hearing gets underway Ferrari's lawyer describes Ross Brawn as a man of 'supreme arrogance.' A disgusting comment, especially considering the success Ross brought to that team. I have always had respect for Ferrari, through thick and thin, as I think they go racing with more flair than anyone else, but that comment is below the belt. It does sound harsh, but when I read things like: "I would just be surprised if the appeal court can make judgements on technicalities - it's quite a complex technical matter," he [Brawn] told BBC Sport. "You can't be 100% confident but I hope common sense prevails on their side." I can see where Ferrari's lawyer is coming from (much as I like Brawn). In the above quote Brawn basically sounds like he's saying that he thinks the appeal court judges aren't clever enough to rule on the matter so he reckons he'll be fine. When he says "I hope common sense prevails" what he's basically saying is that he thinks his view on the matter is the common sense view, which its self is very much up for debate. What I understand is that the appeal comittee looking at the situation is the sporting group and not the technical group - therefore Ross is worried the technicalities of the issue may pass the group by, and the 'wrong' call maybe made. The scrutineers have looked at the diffusers 3 times (i think) and found them legal - surely common sense says that they are legal, and just get on with it. If the decision goes against the three teams, then what credibility do the scrutineers have left? Obviously I am bias, but it would be a disaster for F1 if the results are turned round. Brawn GP is one of the greatest sporting tales of the last decade, and juyst what F1 needs. From my experience watching F1 for the last 20 odd years, Ross Brawn has always been very humble, not arrogant. His explanation of the sideboard issue in Malaysia 99 proved that, and he was always able to pass on glory to others, even in his finest moments. And there have been plenty of them everywhere he has been. At Malaysia 99, he claimed responsibility of teh error, when I am sure it was not (all) his fault.
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