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Post by KimThePanther on Sept 15, 2007 11:20:18 GMT
It would seem that Planet Ice (rink operators of Basingstoke, Cardiff, Coventry and some sort of association with the rink operators at Manchester) are trying to throw a spanner in the works of the new television contract by prohibiting Sky from filming games at their rinks! This is why our game in Hull tomorrow is being filmed rather than the game at Manchester as initially scheduled.
According to THF they're trying to get more exposure for their brand during broadcasts. Someone from the Steelers Office has said they're trying to bully something out of the EIHL. If that is the case I hope the EIHL stick to their guns and tell PI exactly where to go!
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Post by Milkman™ on Sept 15, 2007 11:21:40 GMT
Planet Ice = Photography bans
They are behind the whole image rights thing.
They will kill the sport
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Post by heja on Sept 15, 2007 11:23:29 GMT
then they tell the elite league teams where to go, how will that help
PI = Morons though (as far as i and anyone else can tell)
maybe Planet ice should concentrate on making there ice rinks less crap before allegedly through spanners in the works for things like this
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Post by KimThePanther on Sept 15, 2007 11:27:12 GMT
It's a bit of a Catch 22 really. If the EIHL clubs caved in to PI's demands we could end up with an unhealthy situation where PI have effective control of the league and could demand from the team's whatever the hell they wanted.
At best this is badly timed, badly thought out short-term opportunism. At worst it's a badly timed, badly thought out attempt to increase their political influence.
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Post by Nemesis on Sept 15, 2007 11:32:22 GMT
PI's apparent end game is their own leaguein their own rinks, = total control...
Not good.
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Post by ted on Sept 15, 2007 11:45:55 GMT
EIHL clubs should (however unrealistic it seems) look for other venues.
The EIHL itslef should be looking long and hard about allowing teams playing from a PI join the league in the future... thats of course assuming all the above is true
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Post by grumpyminer on Sept 15, 2007 11:57:51 GMT
PI's apparent end game is their own leaguein their own rinks, = total control... Not good. They must actually believe that Planet Ice means the whole PLANET. |
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Post by Nemesis on Sept 15, 2007 12:01:09 GMT
EIHL clubs should (however unrealistic it seems) look for other venues. The EIHL itslef should be looking long and hard about allowing teams playing from a PI join the league in the future... thats of course assuming all the above is true Well said Ted. We must remember that at the moment this is speculation and we don't know the inns and outs. Something is going on though, judging by the post on ours last night by our office... |
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Post by heja on Sept 15, 2007 12:05:41 GMT
is there anything that anyone could do to actually stop planet ice from doing this and stop them running any new rinks that are built?
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Post by martinski83 on Sept 15, 2007 12:09:35 GMT
It would seem that Planet Ice (rink operators of Basingstoke, Cardiff, Coventry and some sort of association with the rink operators at Manchester) are trying to throw a spanner in the works of the new television contract by prohibiting Sky from filming games at their rinks! This is why our game in Hull tomorrow is being filmed rather than the game at Manchester as initially scheduled. According to THF they're trying to get more exposure for their brand during broadcasts. Someone from the Steelers Office has said they're trying to bully something out of the EIHL. If that is the case I hope the EIHL stick to their guns and tell PI exactly where to go! So how about we let Planet Ice whine, whinge and ruin it for their clubs and give the tv exposure and tv money to clubs willing to comply like the Nottingham Panthers, Hull Stingrays and the Sheffield Steelers.I think I speak for all three clubs when I say we'll gladly have the TV money to improve our club and facilities if Planet Ice want to be petty about things. If this catches on and hockey grows to a mainsteam tv sport then those Planet Ice Clubs won't sit back and watch the other teams grow in stature with extra revenue while they starve in the cold with some petty tv issue... they'll vote with their feet. In the meantime, that in theory will mean that there will be more Panthers games on tv which can only be good for the club. I goto ice hockey and football but thre are a number of sports I like to watch on tv including american football, NHL ice hockey and other and I have my teams I like to watch. While Planet Ice are urinating in the wind let's become that team that people tune into watch. Let's become that office debate 'there's ice hockey on tv tonight, i dont know whos playing but I think the NOTTINGHAM Panthers are involved'...... Oh and one more thing... LET'S GO PANTHERS.....  |
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Post by Nemesis on Sept 15, 2007 12:21:07 GMT
Well said. Bar the odd discrepancy.....  I think the league has to show it's balls here. Could get nasty this, I pity those beholden to PI for their hockey. I don't for one minute dispute their entitlement to make money, but I can't help feeling this is sour grapes after their own TV aspirations came to nought. |
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Post by KimThePanther on Sept 15, 2007 12:23:19 GMT
I don't for one minute dispute their entitlement to make money, but I can't help feeling this is sour grapes after their own TV aspirations came to nought. Am I right in thinking that they were the owners of the ill-fated, overpriced 'icehockeyleague.tv'? |
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 15, 2007 12:29:47 GMT
But will sky be banned from showing the Planet Ice 4 when they are away at teams like Nott's and Belfast?
Not being able to show Cov at all would hurt. Not being able to film at those 4 venues won't hurt.
Incidentally, my guess is that teams are not getting paid by sky to be shown on tv. Could be wrong.
I'd imagine Shuff lost a fair few quid by switching that game.
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Post by KimThePanther on Sept 15, 2007 12:34:40 GMT
But will sky be banned from showing the Planet Ice 4 when they are away at teams like Nott's and Belfast? I wouldn't have thought so. Basingstoke were sold on in the summer which means (I think) that all clubs playing out of PI rinks are independent of them. At venues like the NIC surely the decision to film or not rests with the promoter of the particular event? |
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Post by premakpower on Sept 15, 2007 12:53:23 GMT
This must be a VERY delicate subject at the moment .
Any post that are made about it on the Elite forum are being deleted by the Mods.
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Post by DaveE on Sept 15, 2007 13:22:52 GMT
Well all seems a bit odd to me. I believe that Coventry is a Planet Ice rink. Well if PI wish to ban Sky from broadcasting out of there, then surely they wouldn't have been able to film the Coventry masters which was filmed/streamed live a couple of months back. Unless its only ice hockey that is going to be stopped from being broadcast. Personally, I think PI will cave in but we shall wait and see
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Post by ted on Sept 15, 2007 14:05:38 GMT
This must be a VERY delicate subject at the moment . Any post that are made about it on the Elite forum are being deleted by the Mods. Thats because those forums are run by the elite league... we should have feedom of discussion here... after all people are only posting opinions... no ne is mud slinging... PI are quite welcome t post their views if they wish. To be fair who would want to go to see ice hockey if their first taste was a PI. Im not bitching cos they are being funny about sky, Planet Ices' are rubbish, the sight lines are terrible (rafters blocking a direct line of sight to the one working scoreboard at Cardiff), the rinks are falling to pieces (structually unsafe away stand at Bison?!), terrible Ice (Cov) and i'll reserve judgement on Manc IF i ever visit. None of the rinks have any character... not saying the NIC does but that makes u for it in being a fairly good arena! Same with Sheff, and belfast, Newcastle is a fair size and looks ok, Edinburgh and Hull are well looked after, though they havent got the money to chuck at a high quality venue they have a bit of character bei it the building itself (murrayfield) or the pride they take in having IMO, some of the best ice in the country (kingston) ha ha... edit... I did say no one is mud slinging... then i wrote all that BUT... its based on my experiences at all of the abov mentioned rinks |
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Post by Milkman™ on Sept 15, 2007 15:12:44 GMT
Teddy all the things you mention are because the game is a minority sport.
You cant have it all ways, Panthers are the elite, the top of the pile facilities wise, however were we not the poor boys pre 99, in a shed of an arena, gettting whooped by the Manchesters and Sheffields of the league.
Beofre you start slagging off PI remember without their involvement there probably would be no elite league, they are holding SKY to ransom, maybe but they want payback, SKY will just walk away and back to step one we will be.
Sit back and enjoy the ride, if you want a better league than the boys club that is the Elite League needs to let SKY do what it does best and thats turn sports around. Look nop further than speedway, darts, superleague rugby, rugby union, 20 20 cricket.
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Sept 15, 2007 15:28:22 GMT
Unless its only ice hockey that is going to be stopped from being broadcast. It will be, because you take the PI rink out of the elite equation (Coventry, Basingstoke, Cardiff, Manchester (half n half) then you start to have a weak league. And im sure no-one wants that again!!! |
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Sept 15, 2007 21:38:39 GMT
theres never a quiet moment in British hockey
someone in the league must have broken alot of mirrors, seems to be problem after problem
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Post by Nemesis on Sept 15, 2007 21:40:18 GMT
I am told negotiations are going to happen next week.......
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Post by KIGOIUK on Sept 16, 2007 0:37:23 GMT
If they get anything out of it in exposure of their brand then it wants limiting to only the 4 rinks used in the elite league , any rinks where teams play outside the Elite league then advertiseing rates will have to apply .
if the NIC or Hallam arena or Endinburgh Hull Belfast and Newcastle wanted exposure would they get it Free ?
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Post by puckhead on Sept 16, 2007 15:36:04 GMT
I fail to see what good getting advertising for Planet Ice is going to do anyway. If someone in Basingstoke is watching a Panthers game on sky and gets motivated to try their hand at skating. They're hardly likely to be swayed by any NIC advertising and think ...hmm I know I think I'll learn to skate at the Fabulous facility that is the NIC. They're going to find out where their local rink is a go there! If their local rink happens to be owned by PI great for them!
Surely the best bet for PI and any other venue with respect to advertising on tv is to be greatful that one of their customers is worthy of having their product televised and make the most of the opportunity by having it's logos painted on the ice!
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Post by Heanor Lair on Sept 16, 2007 17:49:40 GMT
I dint know why folks are gripping about Planet Ice.
I agree the rinks like Cov and Basingstoke are pretty awful, and the Cardiff and Manc rink could have, perhaps been better thought out.
However, Planet Ice own the facilities and as the owners if they want a slice of the action, they are entitled to it.
Lets face it even Panthers sometimes get a raw deal out of the NIC.
I would remind folks that there was some big money coming through the clubs pockets in the ISL days, and if it had not been for greed and sheer stupidity on the part of of ALL the clubs and the governing body there could have been money available to not be beholden to the likes of PI, and to have to play out of 2nd rate facilities.
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Post by Nemesis on Sept 16, 2007 18:46:48 GMT
Nobody is disputing the fact they may have a claim to something Paul.
It is what they are asking and the way they are going about it that is the problem.
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