I hope the Panthers do NOT follow this example...

[Helen B]

jaffacake said:

Is slating the Steelers at EVERY opportunity the offseason sport on here ??

YES! And thats coming from a Steelers fan.

In fact it just wouldn't be hockey without Sheffield slating Nottingham, and vice versa.

[maxfax]

rickstrang said:

Free speech is alive and well in hockey as this forum and Mr Roberts' blog amply demonstrate. There is no intention from the Steelers organsation to block that free speech. However, in nearly 21 000 words on his blog since October 2006 Mr Roberts has not uttered a single congratulatory or complimentary remark regarding the EIHL. In fact his postings have consistently picked at, denigrated and condemned that organisation. These are not the actions of a journalist offering a balanced view. Surely then it is somewhat brass-necked to then expect the EIHL through its member clubs to work alongside him to sell his publication! The double standard astounds me.

I believe that the Steelers have acted quite properly. If Mr Roberts wants a vehicle with which to hound and abuse the EIHL then let him do it off his own back and stop using the EIHL to finance his misguided blatherings.

I find that if you try to tell people not to buy a book/annual etc., it only makes them more determined to go out and buy one.

No-one is banning the book or telling you not to buy it. The Steelers are simply refusing to promote it and quite frankly why should they?

Having said all of that I would actually agree with Kim that it's probably been banned because it's got you lot on the cover and knowing the antipathy between Simmsy and Old Roberts I bet that wasn't an accident! ;D

Halla-frickin-loo-yah!

Spot on Mester...Spot on.

[MP]

shaggy said:

Well, when that barely-literate muckraker learns to do either of those things with any degree of professionalism, maybe then he'll be worth listening to.

Hmmmmm.

It can be argued that Simms is actually very professional in promoting his club - we might not like his style much of the time but he's certainly put a hell of a lot into the game. There were misgivings when he was given the role of promoting GB recently but he seemed to be more effective in the role than any previous arrangements.

Roberts has no doubt done good work for hockey in Britain over the years but can perhaps be seen as one of those "Establishment" figures who've overseen the total stagnation of the game in this country.

I'd second Doom with regard to the state of the EIHL. They have obtained a degree of stability but it is still fragile so there are still concerns for the future (when wasn't British hockey in a parlous state?) The EIHL may be gentleman's club but someone has to try and take the game forward in this country, as the governing bodies have proved incapable of doing so.

[Ian]

rickstrang said:

in nearly 21 000 words on his blog since October 2006 Mr Roberts has not uttered a single congratulatory or complimentary remark regarding the EIHL. In fact his postings have consistently picked at, denigrated and condemned that organisation. These are not the actions of a journalist offering a balanced view.

But this is nothing new. I have been reading the IH Annual since the 1980s and Stewart Roberts has always spoken out against the league organisation / governing bodies of the day (with some justification in many cases but still). This is just the latest in a long line as far as I can see.

If the Steelers don't want to sell his book because of this, yes that is their choice, although of course it is their fans who want to buy it (for interesting content other than his editorial opinion, which personally I find the weakest part of the book) who will suffer inconvenience as a result.

While the EIHL seems to be stabilising to some extent, as long as the organisation (and I use the word very loosely) continues to (or is perceived to) base its actions on ad hoc decisions with little public communication on strategy, rules, discipline etc. it is setting itself up for harsh comment. Ironically, I can't help thinking that Mike O'Connor's decision somehow lends weight to Stewart Roberts's assertion that the EIHL is a closed club that doesn't welcome scrutiny or criticism.

[rab5]

Banter and rivalry are all well and good, but some on here have a SERIOUS problem!

[mattscold]

rab5 said:

Banter and rivalry are all well and good, but some on here have a SERIOUS problem!

hehehehe Have you been on Steeltalk lately? it works both ways i'm afraid Rab.

[Mark]

ian said:

rickstrang said:

in nearly 21 000 words on his blog since October 2006 Mr Roberts has not uttered a single congratulatory or complimentary remark regarding the EIHL. In fact his postings have consistently picked at, denigrated and condemned that organisation. These are not the actions of a journalist offering a balanced view.

But this is nothing new. I have been reading the IH Annual since the 1980s and Stewart Roberts has always spoken out against the league organisation / governing bodies of the day (with some justification in many cases but still). This is just the latest in a long line as far as I can see.

If the Steelers don't want to sell his book because of this, yes that is their choice, although of course it is their fans who want to buy it (for interesting content other than his editorial opinion, which personally I find the weakest part of the book) who will suffer inconvenience as a result.

While the EIHL seems to be stabilising to some extent, as long as the organisation (and I use the word very loosely) continues to (or is perceived to) base its actions on ad hoc decisions with little public communication on strategy, rules, discipline etc. it is setting itself up for harsh comment. Ironically, I can't help thinking that Mike O'Connor's decision somehow lends weight to Stewart Roberts's assertion that the EIHL is a closed club that doesn't welcome scrutiny or criticism.

My thoughts exactly mate. While Stewart Roberts does seem to have an axe to grind with the EIHL or whatever incarnation the top league takes, Mike O' Connor's actions play somewhat into his hands.

[spik]

jaffacake said:

Is slating the Steelers at EVERY opportunity the offseason sport on here ??

If it was thommo or gerad adams refusing to sell the annual would it still have made it on here ? (genuine question). IF MOC doesnt want to sell it,thats his perogative.......i dont see what the fuss is about !!!!

Clue is in the thread title that people are just concerned of Nottingham doing the same thing.

[rab5]

Today at 1:38pm, rab5 wrote:Banter and rivalry are all well
and good, but some on here have a SERIOUS problem!


Mattscold Hehehehe Have you been on Steeltalk lately? it
works both ways i'm afraid Rab.

I read both most days!

I can name 3 persons on here straight off the bat that have issues with them up the M1 - can you name 3 that have it the other way around... I'm not talking good natured banter I'm talking people with serious issues about anything related to the other team (Simmsy not included!)

[mattscold]

rab5 said:

Today at 1:38pm, rab5 wrote:Banter and rivalry are all well
and good, but some on here have a SERIOUS problem!


Mattscold Hehehehe Have you been on Steeltalk lately? it
works both ways i'm afraid Rab.

I read both most days!

I can name 3 persons on here straight off the bat that have issues with them up the M1 - can you name 3 that have it the other way around... I'm not talking good natured banter I'm talking people with serious issues about anything related to the other team (Simmsy not included!)

Nope i can't but i don't spend much time there to be frank but i have seen some ridiculous comments on there in my time.

[barnsleyfan]

rab5 said:

I can name 3 persons on here straight off the bat that have issues with them up the M1

Ooo ooo ooo, please sir, can I hazard a guess who you're referring to?!

;D

[Deleted]

There has got to be some irony in two Steelers fans discussing which Panthers fans are obsessed with Steelers on a Panthers forum!!

[Milkman™]

jono72 said:

There has got to be some irony in two Steelers fans discussing which Panthers fans are obsessed with Steelers on a Panthers forum!!

You got that right Jono

I remember back in the day, around that pool table in the Enfield, we as Panthers fans were amongst the backers of the Steelers.

Seems to me nowadays too many kiddies watching the hockey and posting on the forums, time was when we all knew each other and got very very drunk together, what happened to those days.

Sorry, very very very very drunk

[gazzathedevil]

therapy said:

[Seems to me nowadays too many kiddies watching the hockey and posting on the forums, time was when we all knew each other and got very very drunk together, what happened to those days.

)

I hope this is not a comment on people who have posted on this thread milkman as if it is that to me would be considered as VERY patronising and a supposition without any background knowledge.

[Milkman™]

gazzathedevil said:

therapy said:

[Seems to me nowadays too many kiddies watching the hockey and posting on the forums, time was when we all knew each other and got very very drunk together, what happened to those days.

)

I hope this is not a comment on people who have posted on this thread milkman as if it is that to me would be considered as VERY patronising and a supposition without any background knowledge.

None whatsoever fella

It is based on the fact that when this forum took over from the panthers lair, all the posters knew each other, along with the posters on the rest of the ISL teams forums and we all used to get drunk together.

I was there so I know this to be fact, I have pictures, again this proves the fact, we even had little alliances between the forums, we had t shirts printed, we partied together, we watched hockey together, and a few of us slept together (oh er)

Hows that for background knowledge?

[gazzathedevil]

therapy said:

gazzathedevil said:

I hope this is not a comment on people who have posted on this thread milkman as if it is that to me would be considered as VERY patronising and a supposition without any background knowledge.

None whatsoever fella

It is based on the fact that when this forum took over from the panthers lair, all the posters knew each other, along with the posters on the rest of the ISL teams forums and we all used to get drunk together.

I was there so I know this to be fact, I have pictures, again this proves the fact, we even had little alliances between the forums, we had t shirts printed, we partied together, we watched hockey together, and a few of us slept together (oh er)

Hows that for background knowledge?

I never once questioned the fact that a lot of panthers and Steelers got drunk together once upon a time. Why would i? its not like a conspiracy or anything ;D



All i was concerned about is that you were taking a shot at a few folk who had posted in this thread whom are not 'kiddies' And who partake in the Panthers/Steelers friendly banter of which you speak.


No more no less!

[rickstrang]

we watched hockey together, and a few of us slept together (oh er)

So if a Panther and a Steeler did sleep together would their love child be a Stanther or a Peeler?

[Deleted]

rickstrang said:

we watched hockey together, and a few of us slept together (oh er)

So if a Panther and a Steeler did sleep together would their love child be a Stanther or a Peeler?

You're treading on dangerous ground there Rick

[maxfax]

jono72 said:

rickstrang said:

So if a Panther and a Steeler did sleep together would their love child be a Stanther or a Peeler?

You're treading on dangerous ground there Rick

Are you gonna be a Dad?

[Deleted]

maxfax said:

jono72 said:

You're treading on dangerous ground there Rick

Are you gonna be a Dad?

Dear god no

[KimThePanther]

rab5 said:

I read both most days!

Did you read Steeltalk after we knocked you out of the play offs when there was Come on Giants mass hysteria?

[Helen B]

maxfax said:

jono72 said:

You're treading on dangerous ground there Rick

Are you gonna be a Dad?

I seriously hope not.... first I've heard about it

[quoththeraven]

If someone else has posted this already then I apologise, but one thing that I think a lot of people have missed is that if Steelers refuse to sell the book at the Hallam FM Arena, then Steelers fans can surely take a short wander along to Ice Sheffield, where the shop there will more than likely stock it for Scimitars fans. If demand for the book swells at that rink, then surely it will be one in the eye for the Steelers' management.

Of course, the irony is that for all his attempts to reduce the sales of the book, O'Connor has inadvertently given it more publicity than probably would have got had he said nothing.

[rab5]

Kim the Panther - Both sets of fans are understandably going to be upset after a result that's gone the wrong way against the others - they will see the game differently and then support who ever the other is playing against - that's what rivalry is about.

What concerns me (and yes it does concern me) is what appears to be fanatical hatred of them up the M1 by at least 1 individual on here - who then has a couple of others who back it up. I can honestly say I haven't seen that type of post on Steeltalk (again Simmsy not included)...

Even trying to make a joke of it doesn't seem to work...

[Mark]

rab5 said:

Kim the Panther - Both sets of fans are understandably going to be upset after a result that's gone the wrong way against the others - they will see the game differently and then support who ever the other is playing against - that's what rivalry is about.

What concerns me (and yes it does concern me) is what appears to be fanatical hatred of them up the M1 by at least 1 individual on here - who then has a couple of others who back it up. I can honestly say I haven't seen that type of post on Steeltalk (again Simmsy not included)...

Even trying to make a joke of it doesn't seem to work...

Why does it concern you? And why not include Simms? He is afterall one of the worst perpetrators and peddles his hateful ramblings in a national magazine, a far worse offence than posting on a forum in my opinion.

Some Panthers fans hate Steelers and some Steelers fans hate Panthers. I don't think we have a majority down here in that regard.