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Post by Nemesis on Apr 20, 2007 19:42:35 GMT
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Post by spik on Apr 20, 2007 20:11:23 GMT
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Post by maxfax on Apr 20, 2007 22:16:55 GMT
It just wouldn't be the off season without some major drama would it? Here's hoping the Devils pull through this latest set-back.
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Post by Frodo on Apr 21, 2007 2:06:36 GMT
it never rains but it pours for Cardiff. but as Heatley says it wouldnt be the same without the off season drama. just makes me appreciate the set up Nottingham has even more.
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Post by Kazreema on Apr 21, 2007 10:06:02 GMT
Whatever was on the link page has vanished. What did it say?
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Post by Frodo on Apr 21, 2007 11:45:26 GMT
If you click on the link, then on the left hand side select 'Ice Hockey' at present its the second article down.
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Post by Kazreema on Apr 21, 2007 12:56:06 GMT
If you click on the link, then on the left hand side select 'Ice Hockey' at present its the second article down. Ta very much.  |
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 21, 2007 20:20:08 GMT
hope for the fans that they pull through
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Post by marshalfish on Apr 22, 2007 6:44:19 GMT
Hope they come through this, mainly for the fans, but also the league. We need a Cardiff team in it.
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Post by gazzathedevil on Apr 22, 2007 10:22:26 GMT
Personally the more i read the artickle the less it says.
Afterall there are between 10-15 people involved in this take over and i suppose you have to please all of them to make a deal, which will take time.
Extremely concerned about Planet ice thoguh, i just do not trust them i nthe slightest and its getting to the point where im wishing they would up sticks and leave.
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Post by Luca Toni on Apr 22, 2007 19:29:26 GMT
Planet ice seem to manage accommodating other elite teams - so why not Cardiff?
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Post by gazzathedevil on Apr 22, 2007 20:38:11 GMT
Planet ice seem to manage accommodating other elite teams - so why not Cardiff? Coventry is their cash cow. Manchester have been working with them for a short time give them a year and we'll see Basingstoke had many problems with them the away block in Basingstoke is condemend and Planet cie wouldnt invest in the team itself hence it was sold. The main problem we encounter in Cardiff is that Planet ice dont respect the fact that we battled for neigh on 5 years to get that rink up and running for ALL users of the rink, such as our Learn to play initiative which raises funds for the Devils and gives children and adults alike the chance to lear to play ice hockey with Gerad Adams and Brad Voth and Brent Pope. Planet ice lately though have been threatening this and this is what riles me. They can do their Galazy gliders and the like in Rinks they have owned before other teams moved in or wheer teams dont need the ice time. We have fought for our ice and i personally dotn see why we shuold bow to a bussiness that doesnt care abotu hockey an inch only how much profit they can make.  |
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Post by jamescourtney on Apr 23, 2007 12:59:22 GMT
though have been threatening this and this is what riles fought for our ice and i personally dotn see why we shuold bow to a bussiness that doesnt care abotu hockey an inch only how much profit they can make. Gazza its nature of the beast, no bussniess folk care about their product thats up to the marketing deparment. bussniess folk only care about money every time they see you walking into planet ice they only see you as that '£' As Jarvis Cocker once sang mate Take your year in Provence and shove it right up your arse |
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Post by Luca Toni on Apr 24, 2007 5:56:07 GMT
Planet ice seem to manage accommodating other elite teams - so why not Cardiff? Coventry is their cash cow. Manchester have been working with them for a short time give them a year and we'll see Basingstoke had many problems with them the away block in Basingstoke is condemend and Planet cie wouldnt invest in the team itself hence it was sold. The main problem we encounter in Cardiff is that Planet ice dont respect the fact that we battled for neigh on 5 years to get that rink up and running for ALL users of the rink, such as our Learn to play initiative which raises funds for the Devils and gives children and adults alike the chance to lear to play ice hockey with Gerad Adams and Brad Voth and Brent Pope. Planet ice lately though have been threatening this and this is what riles me. They can do their Galazy gliders and the like in Rinks they have owned before other teams moved in or wheer teams dont need the ice time. We have fought for our ice and i personally dotn see why we shuold bow to a bussiness that doesnt care abotu hockey an inch only how much profit they can make. Fair enough Gazza. But if you (the Devils) want to stay in charge you need your own money. Otherwise you have the same trade-off as the other teams - galaxy gliders an' all. |
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Post by gazzathedevil on Apr 24, 2007 10:52:35 GMT
Coventry is their cash cow. Manchester have been working with them for a short time give them a year and we'll see Basingstoke had many problems with them the away block in Basingstoke is condemend and Planet cie wouldnt invest in the team itself hence it was sold. The main problem we encounter in Cardiff is that Planet ice dont respect the fact that we battled for neigh on 5 years to get that rink up and running for ALL users of the rink, such as our Learn to play initiative which raises funds for the Devils and gives children and adults alike the chance to lear to play ice hockey with Gerad Adams and Brad Voth and Brent Pope. Planet ice lately though have been threatening this and this is what riles me. They can do their Galazy gliders and the like in Rinks they have owned before other teams moved in or wheer teams dont need the ice time. We have fought for our ice and i personally dotn see why we shuold bow to a bussiness that doesnt care abotu hockey an inch only how much profit they can make. Fair enough Gazza. But if you (the Devils) want to stay in charge you need your own money. Otherwise you have the same trade-off as the other teams - galaxy gliders an' all. But really answer me this, why after fighting for five years should we use our rink to line the pockets of Planet ice at the expense of a competitive hockey team in the Eltie league? Also our own money comes from things like the Learn to play which Planet ice want to stop to do their own learn to play to line yet more of their pockets. It's just not right not just here but at other rinks as well, basingstoke should never have to be playing with a condemend away block due to poor maintenance. It's something i feel very strongly about and hockey fans across the board shoudl stand up to it. |
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Post by maxfax on Apr 24, 2007 11:03:05 GMT
With tin pot rinks, & tin pot owners/management...no wonder this sport struggles in this country. What a shocking state of affairs. Thing is, as we keep on seeing things like this happen YEAR after YEAR. Will this sport ever be taken as seriously as we all want? Will it ever be anything more than a minor minority sport? You seriously have to doubt it in my opinion.
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Post by Peacock on Apr 24, 2007 21:13:35 GMT
Aren't Planet Ice only managing Cardiff rink for the Council?
I may have the wrong idea on this, but I thought that was the situation.
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Post by Mark on Apr 25, 2007 7:33:42 GMT
Who currently owns Cardiff Devils?
Who owns the rink?
Did Planet Ice guarantee professional hockey when they took over the running of the facility?
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Post by gazzathedevil on Apr 25, 2007 11:19:15 GMT
Who currently owns Cardiff Devils? Who owns the rink? Did Planet Ice guarantee professional hockey when they took over the running of the facility? Maraini PHillips currently owns the Cardiff Devils, a consortium has until 5pm Friday to take over, otherwise Maraini Phillips will own us next season as well. Cardiff Council own the Ice Rink in the bay, Planet Ice operate the ice rink. It is written in every agreement signed by both The Phillips family and Plant ice that proffessional ice hockey MUST be played at the tent. as for peackocks comment Planet ice operate the rink so every profit from vending machnes public skating etc. i understand from reading the elite forum the other day this quote which states So at the moment i gather the Cardiff Devils arent paying Planet ice what coventry, basingstoke and all the other teams are paying, which will probably pee off Planet Ice no end, but it seems thats the agreement we signed to vacate the WNIR. This is the fight we have it seems, and Planet ice just want to squueze us for every penny we have when there is absoloutly no need to. WE struggled on until December with absoloutly minimal income and yet Planet ice seem to think its right that no we are building the bussiness back up to gain as much profit as they can despite owning 8 other rinks they can stay healthy with. It really does make me sick |
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Post by gazzathedevil on Apr 25, 2007 13:21:52 GMT
Just to alay any fears about us being anywhere other than Elite league next season here is todays Echo Article.
Gerad Adams is pressing ahead with building a Cardiff Devils team for Elite League ice hockey next season, writes Terry Phillips.
Player-coach Adams now has verbal agreements with goalie Phil Osaer, Tyson Teplitsky and captain Brad Voth.
Adams is also talking to a number of other players, but won't be able to confirm contracts until the future of the club is decided.
That should be within the next few days as the deadline for a fans' consortium to buy the club passes later this week.
If the buyout does not go ahead than owner Maraini Phillips has pledged to continue to run the club at Elite League level.
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Letters offering season tickets have already been sent out for the 2007-8 season, sponsorship talks have started and the Phillips family are continuing to plan for a new campaign.
'The club are fighting for what they were promised by the council and fighting against Planet Ice, who wish to charge for ice rental that was clearly set out in a rent free agreement with the council,' said Bob Phillips.
'If people want the Cardiff Devils to pay inflated rates for ice rental, there would be no fight with the council or Planet Ice.'
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Post by ally85 on Apr 26, 2007 19:14:26 GMT
Is it me or does the last sentence of the above article make no sense at all?
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Post by gazzathedevil on Apr 26, 2007 19:32:20 GMT
Is it me or does the last sentence of the above article make no sense at all? What bob is saying is the council have promised us free ice rental for vacating the WNIR. Planet ice want us to pay their rates which are extortionatly high for what we get. and we fought for the same privilages we had at the WNIR. So if we as fans are happy to have a less competitve team and pay the ice rental Planet ice want us to pay then we would have no fight with the Council as we wouldnt be honouring the agreement we have with them and no need to fight planet ice as the aformentioned agreement would be ripped up. |
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Post by Peacock on Apr 26, 2007 20:18:59 GMT
If the Council own the rink, and the Devils have an agreement with the Council, it would appear (very simplistically) that PlantIce don't have a leg to stand on, unless their Operatng agreement contradicts the agreement between the Devils and the Council.
If the latter is the case, there's a Lawyer somewhere that needs shooting.
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Post by Mark on Apr 26, 2007 20:43:12 GMT
If the council own the rink they are contracting Planet Ice to run the facility. The contract drawn up between the two will stipulate who earns what, but it does seem Planet Ice are involved to make a profit and appear to be able to make decisions about that outside of Cardiff city council's control.
If the council agreed with The Devils to let them use the new facility rent free they should honour this, and surely Planet Ice are aware of the stipulation.
Hopefully the agreement concerning rent free use is a written contract and not just a gentlemens agreement, and if so the council should put Planet Ice straight.
It does however seem a very convoluted situation.
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Post by Peacock on Apr 26, 2007 21:14:58 GMT
As are any 3rd Party agreements
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