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Post by Rob #12 on Apr 9, 2007 8:10:15 GMT
Thinking of the weekend and quarter final, we came through 3 shootouts.
I have heard it described as a lottery, but what are the odds of winning the lottery? Three times no less.
I have to go against that theory, the skill and tactics on show were as much as, if not more than, the actual game.
We have seen the skill of Corey, McAslan and Rasto. I noticed that in the Final shootout, Osaer saved from Corey and Mac. That got me thinking, he went to the exact ame spot Corey and Mac went in the shootout against Belfast and he made the save. He obviously watched game and studied the penalty styles of our players. More evidence to dismiss the lottery theory.
But, it doesn't make it any better going out that way though.
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Post by Shorty on Apr 9, 2007 8:40:10 GMT
We've lost on penalties in a final before, but I 'm sure alot more preparation goes into it.
If Osaer had watched our three take penalties, I'm sure there three penalty takers would have watched Rasto. Skating towards a netminder in a full arena with an electic atmosphere, and he doesnt move till the last second must really psych you out.
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Post by smart6 on Apr 9, 2007 8:45:30 GMT
Thank goodness they practice taking penalties
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Post by Rob #12 on Apr 9, 2007 8:46:49 GMT
On second thoughts, I found out why Osaer knew Neilson's move, they played together at Florida.
That was in today's post.
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Post by Louisa on Apr 9, 2007 8:51:01 GMT
It is strange how Rasto never moves out of his crease. Normally goalies skate a few yards to cut their angles. Add to that, Rasto has been through 2 rounds of crucial penalty shots before the final, so he knew what to expect. I knew I was quietly confident if it went to penalty shots we would win. (Easy to say that now)  |
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Post by BJ on Apr 9, 2007 8:57:52 GMT
One for Stef and the statos ...
Is this the first time a major trophy has been won by penalties at the quarter final, semi final AND final?
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Apr 9, 2007 9:07:06 GMT
One for Stef and the statos ... Is this the first time a major trophy has been won by penalties at the quarter final, semi final AND final? Depends on what status the League gives the British Knock-Out Cup (For a minute forget what we all think about the tournament) but if the league class that trophy as a major trophy (and only if they do) then it was done last year with us beating Newcastle, Cardiff and Coventry through penalties. But for the traditional major trophies, I don't think the B+H cup final has been won at the finals stage and although the Play-Off final has gone to penalties before, with a group stage, it would be impossible to win a 'quater-final' so this could be the first time it has been achieved! |
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Post by Nemesis on Apr 9, 2007 17:29:29 GMT
One for Stef and the statos ... Is this the first time a major trophy has been won by penalties at the quarter final, semi final AND final? It was commented on at the press conference that you are now the first and only team to lift the trophy with a 'non-winning' record overall. 1 win, 1 loss and 2 draws.  |
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Post by premakpower on Apr 9, 2007 17:32:41 GMT
I dont know why penalties are constantly refered to as a lottery ,.. that implies there is no skill in a shootout at all,..
Pens still have to be scored ,.. and saved,.
The best team at taking the pens wins.
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Post by Nemesis on Apr 9, 2007 17:44:37 GMT
I agree that there is definately a skill in penaltys, I think the reason they are not liked by the players and coaches is that far too often they go the way of the luckier team, and not always the better.
(And before you all start I am in no way sugesting anything about the weekend, simply letting you know what we were all talking about down below, press, players, coaches including yours, league officials the lot)
From the coaches and players perspective they would much rather play to a finish as this more often than not finds the better team overall.
TBH, if we did do this over here, I personaly can't see a game lasting more than 20 minutes or so extra; and on that basis I think we should give it a go.
I am happy for league games to go to pens for the extra point, but meaningful games like playoffs and finals should be played through IMO. And without the inevitability of pens, teams would be forced to play OT properly.
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Post by heja on Apr 9, 2007 18:00:10 GMT
I agree that there is definately a skill in penaltys, I think the reason they are not liked by the players and coaches is that far too often they go the way of the luckier team, and not always the better. (And before you all start I am in no way sugesting anything about the weekend, simply letting you know what we were all talking about down below, press, players, coaches including yours, league officials the lot) From the coaches and players perspective they would much rather play to a finish as this more often than not finds the better team overall. TBH, if we did do this over here, I personaly can't see a game lasting more than 20 minutes or so extra; and on that basis I think we should give it a go. I am happy for league games to go to pens for the extra point, but meaningful games like playoffs and finals should be played through IMO. And without the inevitability of pens, teams would be forced to play OT properly. nah i wouldn't nd don'tthink it would be as exciting to watch either, the players of all teams look shattered after there games andyou can garuntee they wouldn'twant to leave any gaps at the back so basically you will just get dump and chase penalties will find the best team, if you can't beat a team in 60mins you either are not better than them or you two evenly match teams. penalty shots find the team with the best netminder and the best scorers definitly isn't a lottery or luck thing, if it was then we wouldn't of sent out gallant, Nielson and McAslan for the last three times as going by a lottery or luck theory they have as much chance of scoring as someone like ferrera and niel and cooke. which if you did a penalty shoot out between those team i think you wil find there would only ever be one winner |
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Post by Nemesis on Apr 9, 2007 18:20:30 GMT
The teams admit they are exciting for the fans. But you will find no support for them whatsoever amongst the coaches or players.
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Post by heja on Apr 9, 2007 18:26:40 GMT
and what was this weekend all about?
entertaining the fans
what is theelite league all about?
entertaining the fans
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Post by Rob #12 on Apr 9, 2007 18:32:07 GMT
The teams admit they are exciting for the fans. But you will find no support for them whatsoever amongst the coaches or players. Whether that is true or not, it doesn't matter. It's how its done in every country, at every level, for as long as I have known. Like Heja said, the other way (playing through) is madness. If you are playing a game the next night, you don't want to be playing 80 90 mins of hockey. Where does the line get drawn? Maybe to only sensible suggestion would be 10 mins 4 on 4 or 5 mins of 3 on 3 after the 5 mins of 4 on 4. But penalties is the fairest and quickest way of finding the victor. |
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Post by Nemesis on Apr 9, 2007 18:36:21 GMT
Not in the NHL fella.
They play 20 min periods during playoff games, the current longest being something like 9 extra periods.
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Post by Kimberley on Apr 9, 2007 19:31:16 GMT
most of those games though don't have an all important final the following day.
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Post by Lucy on Apr 9, 2007 22:03:37 GMT
Talking of winning........at 10-1 thank you very much ;D
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Post by NP on Apr 10, 2007 9:23:21 GMT
I was a bit insulted by our odds at the start off the play offs. I was only allowed £1.60 by the bookie, but paid for a few more celebration beers!
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Post by Rob #12 on Apr 10, 2007 9:33:08 GMT
Not in the NHL fella. They play 20 min periods during playoff games, the current longest being something like 9 extra periods. Really, on the NHL'07 sim they go to pennos after 4 on 4. I didn't know that they played extra periods, are they the only league who do this then? They must be super althletes to play as much time as they do. |
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Post by mattscold on Apr 10, 2007 9:46:39 GMT
Not in the NHL fella. They play 20 min periods during playoff games, the current longest being something like 9 extra periods. Really, on the NHL'07 sim they go to pennos after 4 on 4. I didn't know that they played extra periods, are they the only league who do this then? They must be super althletes to play as much time as they do. They go to penalties in regular season but continuous overtime in the playoffs Rob. I'm not sure i'd like continuous OT as we have a smaller bench size here and allthe players would be whacked! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2007 6:31:59 GMT
Now the stanley cup is starting, you take note, extra time will start with a full period of 20 mins, and thats always been the case too, they have never had pens to decide a winner
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Post by texpef on Apr 11, 2007 7:15:24 GMT
we have done the continuous overtime before, when it went to nearly 60mins of extra time in the semi against ayr and if you thought penalties were a cruel way to lose think how the ayr fans felt with 4 mins of regular time being in front by 3 goals and then losing when shorthanded in extra time after all that extra play.....
the players were dead on their feet after and it was THEN decided this was no way to end a contest and to be honest i agree it isnt.
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