GD13 Panthers 1:4 Steelers / Oct 21 / CC

[Yotes]

Challenge Cup / Group C 4 of 8 / 21 October 2023, 7.00pm

Webcast: NottinghamPanthers.tv / Match Report: OS / Game Sheet: EIHL

Scoring Summary
First Period
0-1	07:46	Kameron KIELLY (Whistle)
1-1	12:07	Hugo ROY (Nieminen, Johnson) PP1
Second Period
1-2	23:31	Daniel CIAMPINI (Watling) PP1
1-3	26:13	Marc-Olivier VALLERAND (Tansey, Balmas)
Third Period
1-4	51:56	Cole SHUDRA (Juusola, Watling)

[shinobi]

Noddy cup (apparently) so who cares …

[Spooks]

No one

[Yotes]

I'm going, so me!

The only thing more Noddy than the cup group stage format, would be to fail to qualify from it, so would be nice to get another couple of points on the board. Plus they're always beating us these days, so we must be due.

[shinobi]

Oct 16, 2023 16:38:16 GMT Yotes said:

I'm going, so me!

The only thing more Noddy than the cup group stage format, would be to fail to qualify from it, so would be nice to get another couple of points on the board. Plus they're always beating us these days, so we must be due.

Hopefully Nieminen scores the GWG.

[DMS]

The result is important in the sense of keeping some momentum going.

It is imperative we put on a better show than we did in the previous meeting with Steelers at home. Yes it is about time we got a win against them in a competitive game but no matter the result we need to be giving a better account of ourselves against them!

[shinobi]

Oct 16, 2023 18:54:25 GMT DMS said:

The result is important in the sense of keeping some momentum going.

I whole heartedly agree & I don’t share the view that CC games should be treated in a less than serious manner. Given Panthers haven’t won a trophy in a long time, I don’t think they have the right to pick & choose what games are perceived as important.

[Kovalchuk17]

Just looked at tickets, go back 5 years ago and it would have been sold out days ago, but there’s still well over half of the bowl still available.

Granted it’s CC etc but it’s sad how poor the attendances have become, and no long past COVID etc, it either shows how GM was very good or how Pacha isn’t fulfilling his promises to boost crowds.

[The Flying Shirt]

Oct 20, 2023 10:17:58 GMT Kovalchuk17 said:

Just looked at tickets, go back 5 years ago and it would have been sold out days ago, but there’s still well over half of the bowl still available.

Granted it’s CC etc but it’s sad how poor the attendances have become, and no long past COVID etc, it either shows how GM was very good or how Pacha isn’t fulfilling his promises to boost crowds.

It's what happens when you serve up crap year after year. Go back five years and hardly any of those fans even go now.

[yeti]

Oct 20, 2023 10:50:21 GMT The Flying Shirt said:

Oct 20, 2023 10:17:58 GMT Kovalchuk17 said:

Just looked at tickets, go back 5 years ago and it would have been sold out days ago, but there’s still well over half of the bowl still available.

Granted it’s CC etc but it’s sad how poor the attendances have become, and no long past COVID etc, it either shows how GM was very good or how Pacha isn’t fulfilling his promises to boost crowds.

It's what happens when you serve up crap year after year. Go back five years and hardly any of those fans even go now.

Don't think it's anything to do with Moran doing a good job or Pacha doing a bad job. Gary would of struggled to sell these games with this current cup setup. To many early season games against Steelers, what with preseason as well. The whole format is boring. Hopefully go back to two drawn groups of five in the CC. Get rid of the two crap groups of 3 and the Belfast bi/Belfast home advantage in later stages of the cup.

[loupowell52]

The Grapes Count.
For some unknown reason I think we will win.
Surely we cannot be as poor as on Sheffield's last visit plus I honestly don't think the Steelers are as good as many ( including Sheffield themselves ) think.
Give Dowd a couple of early hits and stand up for ourselves. Have some pride and show some passion.
Panthers 2 v. Steelers 1.

[PantherTom]

Oct 20, 2023 11:15:45 GMT yeti said:

Oct 20, 2023 10:50:21 GMT The Flying Shirt said:

It's what happens when you serve up crap year after year. Go back five years and hardly any of those fans even go now.

Don't think it's anything to do with Moran doing a good job or Pacha doing a bad job. Gary would of struggled to sell these games with this current cup setup. To many early season games against Steelers, what with preseason as well. The whole format is boring. Hopefully go back to two drawn groups of five in the CC. Get rid of the two crap groups of 3 and the Belfast bi/Belfast home advantage in later stages of the cup.

I think there should be 2 CC groups of 5 based on the previous season league places 1,3,5,7,9 in one group and 2,4,6,8,10 in another? or just a random draw? Or a similar format to the CHL 10 team group but each team only plays 6 games 3 home 3 away all drawn at random

[wgray]

People want the most out of their money, the cup group games are monotonous and aren’t worth it to the fans. We’ve been over this no end of times. Fans were mentioning it two seasons back that the format needed changing, a lot of people highlighted the issue in the EIHL survey at the end of last season as well.

Changing the format this season would have been an easy win for the EIHL on then back of the survey, but for whatever reason they didn’t want to and stated they’ll look into it next season…

[Spooks]

Lose the cup altogether its pointless with so few teams.

Would sooner see 2 extra league games and the top two battle for top spot over 5 games around the country.

[jd]

Have a decent team, playing exciting hockey and you’d sell out. Shame we haven’t had that for years, GM and OP aren’t the issue.

[spik]

Oct 20, 2023 13:17:58 GMT Spooks said:

Lose the cup altogether its pointless with so few teams.

Would sooner see 2 extra league games and the top two battle for top spot over 5 games around the country.

Disagree because I’m a traditionalist. We need a Cup competition to give opportunity for another winner. If anything the lengthy league can bore me.
Change the format of the competition for sure.
I can agree with a lot said above. Seems I’m contradicting myself but my thumbs up is for some content the poster has said. Thus I’m for the Cup but understand why people are saying it’s failing interest.

[spik]

Oct 20, 2023 10:50:21 GMT The Flying Shirt said:

Oct 20, 2023 10:17:58 GMT Kovalchuk17 said:

Just looked at tickets, go back 5 years ago and it would have been sold out days ago, but there’s still well over half of the bowl still available.

Granted it’s CC etc but it’s sad how poor the attendances have become, and no long past COVID etc, it either shows how GM was very good or how Pacha isn’t fulfilling his promises to boost crowds.

It's what happens when you serve up crap year after year. Go back five years and hardly any of those fans even go now.

Which is true and I’m one. Just because you don’t attend as much as had, doesn’t mean your less interested in the sport.
Actually spent enough time and cash supporting the team home and away to recognise an OBE services to fan involvement but new fan or old the product needs to be of interest and good enough? But the powers that be seem to be avoiding Eg) this Cup format.
Changes to the CHL caught me out but it’s at least manageable unlike this tournament.
First things first, yes you need to allow a number of games to benefit the income clubs need yet there has to be a middle ground to meet fans acceptance. Otherwise you get this uninteresting offer of a competition which seems to be refused by so many.

[kievthegreat]

CC Format:

The 2 European qualifiers get a bye through the first round.

Remaining 8 teams go into 2 4-team groups seeded based on league position. Play each team once (top seeded teams get the extra home game). 1 team eliminated from each group.

Then go straight to quarter finals along the current format.

[awooga]

No Ryczek tonight, so Kelsall into defence.

Could do with another face or two, cover for injuries/ suspensions.

[kievthegreat]

1-1 after the first. Pretty tame game. Steelers with more shots and better chances, Panthers getting into good position without being able to make the final pass several times. Better composure and there could be more goals.

Still look like rabbits in headlights with the puck in our zone. Once we get out we break with very good speed.

[kievthegreat]

Also, we actually won the most face-offs in that period. 11-9.

[Kovalchuk17]

Oct 20, 2023 22:44:49 GMT jd said:

Have a decent team, playing exciting hockey and you’d sell out. Shame we haven’t had that for years, GM and OP aren’t the issue.

Always been the case that a decent team will get bigger crowds, however not an exact science as the crowd sizes of 2012-13 were no different to other seasons around that time.

To say OP came in with the specific intent of building crowd numbers, building the match night atmosphere and growing the business side, he’s failing woefully and where my GM comparison comes from was that although old school style and a marmite character to say the least, he build anticipation for games and although a bit contrived, Steelers rivalry was an easy sell.

The marketing of OP seems almost non-existent other than what the social media team are doing, which is effectively making light hearted videos (following trends from other teams) and putting out a few tweets, of which one might link to ticket sales. There’s no build up or excitement, then game night arrives (for CC, EIHL, Steelers or otherwise) and crowd numbers are weak at best and barely match up to the size of an Edinburgh Capitals game 10 years ago.

[kievthegreat]

Normal service resumed. 3-1 to the Steelers. 2 quick fire goals early in the period where our inability to get it Out cleanly punishes us. They did have a 4th but a clear high stick ruled it out on review.

[Joe]

Oct 21, 2023 19:01:26 GMT Kovalchuk17 said:

Oct 20, 2023 22:44:49 GMT jd said:

Have a decent team, playing exciting hockey and you’d sell out. Shame we haven’t had that for years, GM and OP aren’t the issue.

Always been the case that a decent team will get bigger crowds, however not an exact science as the crowd sizes of 2012-13 were no different to other seasons around that time.

To say OP came in with the specific intent of building crowd numbers, building the match night atmosphere and growing the business side, he’s failing woefully and where my GM comparison comes from was that although old school style and a marmite character to say the least, he build anticipation for games and although a bit contrived, Steelers rivalry was an easy sell.

The marketing of OP seems almost non-existent other than what the social media team are doing, which is effectively making light hearted videos (following trends from other teams) and putting out a few tweets, of which one might link to ticket sales. There’s no build up or excitement, then game night arrives (for CC, EIHL, Steelers or otherwise) and crowd numbers are weak at best and barely match up to the size of an Edinburgh Capitals game 10 years ago.

Out of interest how do you create excitement and buildup when we’re not blowing teams away offensively, there’s not the level of physicality compared to 10 years ago and our shocking record against Steelers in recent years

[Kovalchuk17]

Oct 21, 2023 20:23:31 GMT Joe said:

Oct 21, 2023 19:01:26 GMT Kovalchuk17 said:

Always been the case that a decent team will get bigger crowds, however not an exact science as the crowd sizes of 2012-13 were no different to other seasons around that time.

To say OP came in with the specific intent of building crowd numbers, building the match night atmosphere and growing the business side, he’s failing woefully and where my GM comparison comes from was that although old school style and a marmite character to say the least, he build anticipation for games and although a bit contrived, Steelers rivalry was an easy sell.

The marketing of OP seems almost non-existent other than what the social media team are doing, which is effectively making light hearted videos (following trends from other teams) and putting out a few tweets, of which one might link to ticket sales. There’s no build up or excitement, then game night arrives (for CC, EIHL, Steelers or otherwise) and crowd numbers are weak at best and barely match up to the size of an Edinburgh Capitals game 10 years ago.

Out of interest how do you create excitement and buildup when we’re not blowing teams away offensively and there’s not the level of physicality compared to 10 years ago, also add our shocking record against Steelers in recent years

That’s exactly what I’ve said in the opening part of above, the crowd sizes of 12/13 when we were winning games, with the likes of Lepine etc, were no real different to the crowd sizes of 11/12 and 13/14 seasons.

Marketing the team, promoting games and tickets works. When they’re left to passively sell themselves without any advertising etc then the sales slope off.

How do you do that? Ask the man who got a CEO job largely on the basis of the work he’d done in Dundee boosting crowd numbers, building rivalries etc.