chucka
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Post by chucka on Aug 24, 2023 20:34:03 GMT
If we get someone with AHL experience, a few games in the show and worthy of SHL/DEL, but he does not have a particularly physical style of play, what would people's thoughts be?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Aug 24, 2023 20:38:48 GMT
Why the fascination with height? Have I missed a rule change where they are going up for headers? Clearly height is a key indicator of success. Not. This is last year's teams ranked by height... Yet in the actual league position the two tallest teams came in the bottom two positions and the two smallest teams came 2nd and 6th, convincingly above taller teams that would "bully them". Exactly.
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 24, 2023 20:40:39 GMT
If we get someone with AHL experience, a few games in the show and worthy of SHL/DEL, but he does not have a particularly physical style of play, what would people's thoughts be? Bit of a difficult one that. We need both really. I think id take physicality. Im not sure one player at a higher level would be enough to elevate us to competitive. A physical player would at least provide some entertainment. The only hope now if that we will start witha spare and still sign 2.
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Post by awooga on Aug 24, 2023 20:43:20 GMT
There’s 5cm difference in height between the tallest and the smallest.
Too much is being read into us “being small”.
If anyone is so disappointed in the signings, please just do us a favour and don’t go.
Constant drone of expert opinion of players never seen really is beyond dull. I see the same on Forest forums where some actively enjoy defeats for the “told you so”.
We aren’t going to sign nearly a full roster and all of them be gems. Law of averages states that some will be good, some less so.
Feel that we have a decent coach on board, and he and the squad assembled deserve a chance to show what they can do.
If they are poor / underperform, I will happily say so. I’m not going to slate any of them until I’ve seen them play - and after giving a few games to gel.
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Post by deke on Aug 24, 2023 20:45:35 GMT
There’s 5cm difference in height between the tallest and the smallest. Too much is being read into us “being small”. If anyone is so disappointed in the signings, please just do us a favour and don’t go. Constant drone of expert opinion of players never seen really is beyond dull. I see the same on Forest forums where some actively enjoy defeats for the “told you so”. We aren’t going to sign nearly a full roster and all of them be gems. Law of averages states that some will be good, some less so. Feel that we have a decent coach on board, and he and the squad assembled deserve a chance to show what they can do. If they are poor / underperform, I will happily say so. I’m not going to slate any of them until I’ve seen them play - and after giving a few games to gel. So just to clarify anyone not really excited by these signings should just not go ? Interesting , people wanting to be entertained for their money the cheek of it !
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Post by blackandgold73 on Aug 24, 2023 20:45:55 GMT
As the team with *the third tallest average squad height* we should do alright at headers if that's a factor now. Only Dundee and Belfast have slightly taller average squads. View AttachmentWhat's panthers average height if you take away 2 Brits at 6'6? Lower. But since runners up Guildford were the second smallest team last year, the actual smallest team finished 6th above us and the two tallest teams finished 9th and 10th I'm still not sure now height is any indicator of success??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 20:50:40 GMT
Yeah my thoughts too, hope we wrong I just don't see enough depth to have us higher up the league People can talk about negativity all they want Pidge but this team wont be much better than either of the last 2 seasons. 2 seasons i've sat through in the arena. Seasons i've taken to actually paying to watch games between the likes of Sheffield and Belfast just to see some quality. Games that have an edge and physicality. My time served doesn't make me an expert but I've watched enough to know this team is to one dimensional and lacking in quality to compete. Will be exstatic if proved wrong but I highly doubt it. I dont think there is one player on this team that is a bad signing individually. This guy looks decent enough to play a role for us. It's yet again how the team is constructed. The fact is that almost all of the forwards signed wouldn't make the top 6 of the championship contending sides. Exactly this.. player for player they are alright but there's 4 or 5 forwards now who seem to have similar attributes. It won't and doesn't work... Coaches Paredes and Moore will soon see for themselves.. if Omar has done the recruiting that makes it 10x worse as he's been over here long enough now to know what it takes to be competitive and challenging for honours
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 20:53:51 GMT
If we get someone with AHL experience, a few games in the show and worthy of SHL/DEL, but he does not have a particularly physical style of play, what would people's thoughts be? To have played in those leagues he will have to have a element of physicality coaches in those leagues don't entertain players who don't have any because they know their will be robust in a tough fast league. The SHL is very physical and the DEL is a renowned physical league as well
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Post by blackandgold73 on Aug 24, 2023 21:01:25 GMT
What's panthers average height if you take away 2 Brits at 6'6? Exactly. Stats hugely skewed by those 2. I think everyone would still have happily have had Guildford's "small" squad last year rather than ours "taller " one no? That's the point, height on its own is a poor indicator... Of anything. Brandin Cote was the same size as Lumsjo. And not too many players tried "bullying" him twice. But it's amusing to see some posters (not you bagheera) who said that you couldn't judge a player by their stats, but are now not only judging them by their stats but also by their height. As with anything, it's all largely moot until we see them play. We've all seen 6'2" players get knocked off the puck by smaller players or not want to fight. And we've all seen 5'9" players who are impossible to knock off the puck and also a real handful of they drop the gloves. But that's it's... we've *seen* them.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 24, 2023 21:10:10 GMT
I imagine I’m going to get shot for this but here goes.
We’ve got no chance of winning the league this season and were never going to no matter who we’d signed. We’re 3 years behind the likes of Steelers/Giants/Devils/Flames who all have settled coaches who have been there for many years now and know their clubs and the league inside out and are playing with a core of successful players who know their systems very well and are just adding 8-10 players to it.
We’re starting from scratch. Brand new coach who’s new to the league and has got to learn it all as well having to recruit and integrate about 18 new players into a brand new set up and when you’re doing that it’s a guarantee that some of them aren’t going to be a success.
So I think Paredes as long as it’s not a complete disaster has got to be given a bit of leeway and time to get things right as can’t just keep going back to square one over and over again. This year I think it’s just realistic hope we are competitive and 4th will probably be a good achievement given the starting point we’re at and if we do that then there will be a good base there to build on and core of players can be established. Hopefully we can nab the cup or playoffs but what we need this year is progress.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 24, 2023 21:30:28 GMT
Just to add a bit of context to Lunsjo and compare him with some N. American players whose profiles were all more used to reading. He scored points at a very similar rate in the Allsvenskan last season to Kevin Hancock and Patrick Bajkov. Both of whom have pretty decent CV’s and would be good players in our league and have signed in better leagues than ours for next season
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Post by sl98 on Aug 24, 2023 21:38:37 GMT
🇺🇸 (Pos) C . AHL>NHL>AHL>NHL>AHL>SHL>AHL>DEL>EIHL (47#)
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Post by awooga on Aug 24, 2023 21:41:54 GMT
There’s 5cm difference in height between the tallest and the smallest. Too much is being read into us “being small”. If anyone is so disappointed in the signings, please just do us a favour and don’t go. Constant drone of expert opinion of players never seen really is beyond dull. I see the same on Forest forums where some actively enjoy defeats for the “told you so”. We aren’t going to sign nearly a full roster and all of them be gems. Law of averages states that some will be good, some less so. Feel that we have a decent coach on board, and he and the squad assembled deserve a chance to show what they can do. If they are poor / underperform, I will happily say so. I’m not going to slate any of them until I’ve seen them play - and after giving a few games to gel. So just to clarify anyone not really excited by these signings should just not go ? Interesting , people wanting to be entertained for their money the cheek of it ! If you don’t think you’ll be entertained, don’t go. You have a choice. Alternatively, sit in this echo chamber and agree with the other nodding dogs that everything is crap. Save yourself the time and money.
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Post by awooga on Aug 24, 2023 21:44:07 GMT
I imagine I’m going to get shot for this but here goes. We’ve got no chance of winning the league this season and were never going to no matter who we’d signed. We’re 3 years behind the likes of Steelers/Giants/Devils/Flames who all have settled coaches who have been there for many years now and know their clubs and the league inside out and are playing with a core of successful players who know their systems very well and are just adding 8-10 players to it. We’re starting from scratch. Brand new coach who’s new to the league and has got to learn it all as well having to recruit and integrate about 18 new players into a brand new set up and when you’re doing that it’s a guarantee that some of them aren’t going to be a success. So I think Paredes as long as it’s not a complete disaster has got to be given a bit of leeway and time to get things right as can’t just keep going back to square one over and over again. This year I think it’s just realistic hope we are competitive and 4th will probably be a good achievement given the starting point we’re at and if we do that then there will be a good base there to build on and core of players can be established. Hopefully we can nab the cup or playoffs but what we need this year is progress. Sensible post. Some aren’t “entertained” if we aren’t winning everything though. As you rightly say, we need progress. To see we are improving.
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Post by sevcik on Aug 24, 2023 21:51:14 GMT
Back on topic...sort of Highlights of Lunsjo from 18/19
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Post by Joe on Aug 24, 2023 21:51:42 GMT
There’s 5cm difference in height between the tallest and the smallest. Too much is being read into us “being small”. If anyone is so disappointed in the signings, please just do us a favour and don’t go. Constant drone of expert opinion of players never seen really is beyond dull. I see the same on Forest forums where some actively enjoy defeats for the “told you so”. We aren’t going to sign nearly a full roster and all of them be gems. Law of averages states that some will be good, some less so. Feel that we have a decent coach on board, and he and the squad assembled deserve a chance to show what they can do. If they are poor / underperform, I will happily say so. I’m not going to slate any of them until I’ve seen them play - and after giving a few games to gel. So just to clarify anyone not really excited by these signings should just not go ? Interesting , people wanting to be entertained for their money the cheek of it ! He’s got a point though, some people on here are rock solid in the belief that this team will at best be fighting for a playoff spot so why spend your hard earned money and time on something that’s going to bring you so much negativity, if I was in there position I’d have walked away and found something enjoyable to spend my time on.
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Post by sevcik on Aug 24, 2023 21:52:13 GMT
🇺🇸 (Pos) C . AHL>NHL>AHL>NHL>AHL>SHL>AHL>DEL>EIHL (47#) Cryptic lol....
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 24, 2023 21:57:32 GMT
So just to clarify anyone not really excited by these signings should just not go ? Interesting , people wanting to be entertained for their money the cheek of it ! If you don’t think you’ll be entertained, don’t go. You have a choice. Alternatively, sit in this echo chamber and agree with the other nodding dogs that everything is crap. Save yourself the time and money. The whole point of a forum is that people have different opinions and dont just agree with each other. Just shut the whole thing down and dont bother if we all need to be nodding dogs of positivity. Plenty of sweetie throwing, knicker wetting Facebook groups to go swoon over all things Panthers in. Most of the negative voices here and people that have put many, many years of love, commitment and money in to this club. They've earnt the right to their opinion whatever it may be. A lot of those opinions have been formed from years of watching the same dross. People dont just want to walk away from something that has been a huge part of a good chunk of their lives. As with many a football club, people believe it is their club and when they feel they are being mugged off they voice their views. Not because they want to be negative, but because they care passionatly. They want success just as much as you or anybody else. They've just got many more scars. You and many other newer fans, aswell as older ones with a more positive outlook are equally entitled to your views and opinions. To come here and call the negative ones nodding dogs though, thats just funny. There are many different opinions on the scale between positive and negative and people come here to air those opinions. All of them should be welcome(albeit sometimes tiresome when dragging every thread to the same low points). I very much believe you and your opinions should be welcome here, but I'd also suggest you take your own advice and if you dont like the differing views then dont bother coming here.
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Post by sl98 on Aug 24, 2023 22:02:26 GMT
🇺🇸 (Pos) C . AHL>NHL>AHL>NHL>AHL>SHL>AHL>DEL>EIHL (47#) Cryptic lol.... under 30 ,uncle finished career in Scotland late 80’s
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 24, 2023 22:05:33 GMT
under 30 ,uncle finished career in Scotland late 80’s Adam Johnson fits that pattern exactly. Are you saying he is Panthers final signing. I hope you are
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 22:06:24 GMT
under 30 ,uncle finished career in Scotland late 80’s AJ last signing ... If it's who I've been told it is this player probably does have the best CV in the league and at a good age too.. just hope its not too little too late That stud has arrived Jono...
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 24, 2023 22:10:18 GMT
I assume me and pidge are right seeing as you’ve liked both posts
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Post by deke on Aug 24, 2023 22:12:05 GMT
So just to clarify anyone not really excited by these signings should just not go ? Interesting , people wanting to be entertained for their money the cheek of it ! He’s got a point though, some people on here are rock solid in the belief that this team will at best be fighting for a playoff spot so why spend your hard earned money and time on something that’s going to bring you so much negativity, if I was in there position I’d have walked away and found something enjoyable to spend my time on. I don't disagree that the cage can be negative sometimes. Doesn't mean they are always wrong . In my mind it's just as bad to be so blind that you look at this squad and go yup that's gonna push for honours this year . Happy to be wrong , very happy to be wrong and this team does push Cardiff Sheffield and Belfast for the title . But I doubt it . However to basically go oh well if your not excited by team you don't go. Stupid argument I may not agree with signings I may not think we are going to uproot any trees this year but I will still support them when they hit the ice . They are still my team . For me it's just another fan trying to tell people how they should be supporting the team . If you pay your money then your entitled to a view . If you want to be critical go ahead go for it , if you want to sit and clap and cheer applaud anything put in front of you , go for it . If your like me and in the middle and recognize the good and bad and voice accordingly again go for it . Support how you want don't be arrogant and consider your way or people just shouldn't go . We are all fans we all want the team to do the best and compete . Personally there are one or two players I am looking forward to lemay being one oli being back is the other and you can bet I will be singing and supporting them when I go as will a lot of people who haven't been overly enamoured by some of the signings . We want better and after last season can you blame us ? Support your way not someone else's
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 22:15:55 GMT
He’s got a point though, some people on here are rock solid in the belief that this team will at best be fighting for a playoff spot so why spend your hard earned money and time on something that’s going to bring you so much negativity, if I was in there position I’d have walked away and found something enjoyable to spend my time on. I don't disagree that the cage can be negative sometimes. Doesn't mean they are always wrong . In my mind it's just as bad to be so blind that you look at this squad and go yup that's gonna push for honours this year . Happy to be wrong , very happy to be wrong and this team does push Cardiff Sheffield and Belfast for the title . But I doubt it . However to basically go oh well if your not excited by team you don't go. Stupid argument I may not agree with signings I may not think we are going to uproot any trees this year but I will still support them when they hit the ice . They are still my team . For me it's just another fan trying to tell people how they should be supporting the team . If you pay your money then your entitled to a view . If you want to be critical go ahead go for it , if you want to sit and clap and cheer applaud anything put in front of you , go for it . If your like me and in the middle and recognize the good and bad and voice accordingly again go for it . Support how you want don't be arrogant and consider your way or people just shouldn't go . We are all fans we all want the team to do the best and compete . Personally there are one or two players I am looking forward to lemay being one oli being back is the other and you can bet I will be singing and supporting them when I go as will a lot of people who haven't been overly enamoured by some of the signings . We want better and after last season can you blame us ? Support your way not someone else's Exactly many posters on here been going for years and their opinions are from years of experience of seeing teams assembled and how that transform's on the ice.. if the team looks good and balanced they will say so.. if it looks weak and short of quality they will say
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Post by Joe on Aug 24, 2023 22:33:21 GMT
He’s got a point though, some people on here are rock solid in the belief that this team will at best be fighting for a playoff spot so why spend your hard earned money and time on something that’s going to bring you so much negativity, if I was in there position I’d have walked away and found something enjoyable to spend my time on. I don't disagree that the cage can be negative sometimes. Doesn't mean they are always wrong . In my mind it's just as bad to be so blind that you look at this squad and go yup that's gonna push for honours this year . Happy to be wrong , very happy to be wrong and this team does push Cardiff Sheffield and Belfast for the title . But I doubt it . However to basically go oh well if your not excited by team you don't go. Stupid argument I may not agree with signings I may not think we are going to uproot any trees this year but I will still support them when they hit the ice . They are still my team . For me it's just another fan trying to tell people how they should be supporting the team . If you pay your money then your entitled to a view . If you want to be critical go ahead go for it , if you want to sit and clap and cheer applaud anything put in front of you , go for it . If your like me and in the middle and recognize the good and bad and voice accordingly again go for it . Support how you want don't be arrogant and consider your way or people just shouldn't go . We are all fans we all want the team to do the best and compete . Personally there are one or two players I am looking forward to lemay being one oli being back is the other and you can bet I will be singing and supporting them when I go as will a lot of people who haven't been overly enamoured by some of the signings . We want better and after last season can you blame us ? Support your way not someone else's Firstly I think rock solid beliefs on how good or bad a team is going to be before seeing them play is ridiculous regardless of how long you’ve been going. I agree fans have a right to support their team however they want but I believe constant negativity/positivity doesn’t do the club any good. My point wasn’t to criticise or devalue the way people support the club but pose a question that if something that’s meant to bring joy to people but then brings you only negativity why do people actively seek it out, if people are unable to step away which is understandable then maybe to support from a distance would be better
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