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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 7, 2023 6:36:56 GMT
Won't get Levin back, he'll want a payrise which Freddie won't allow ! I doubt Anderson will have taken a pay cut to return, not this early in the off season. If he'd been offered less money he'd surely have waited until he was sure no better offer was forthcoming. I'm pleased he's back, as long as he's not expected by club and fans to be a major points contributor. As JP says, he can move up and down the lineup. But I wouldn't be happy if any more of last years side re-signed. Maybe Hammond. And Welychka ! If anyone else returns it would show a serious lack of intent from the club.
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Post by awooga on Jun 7, 2023 7:21:12 GMT
I’m wondering why Betteridge and Tetlow chose to return to the club when we are apparently such a joke and treat our players so badly?
It can’t be money being as we are such Penny pinchers?
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Post by iginla on Jun 7, 2023 7:45:43 GMT
I’m wondering why Betteridge and Tetlow chose to return to the club when we are apparently such a joke and treat our players so badly? It can’t be money being as we are such Penny pinchers? Probably because they both had a little trip elsewhere, decided it wasn’t as good or more hard work than they thought it would be,so decided to return to the lovely cushy little lifestyle of being an overpaid Brit in the EIHL. They’re not the first to do it, there’s quite a list now of Brits who tried the same path abroad and couldn’t hack it so quickly came running back to the safety and cotton wool world of good old Britain.
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Post by iginla on Jun 7, 2023 7:53:37 GMT
It says a “one year deal” for Anderson which suggests he’s here all year come what may,or he could be on a Uni....or if he’s crap again they can’t get rid unless they paid him up. I think that's a bit of a stretch, I'd imagine all contracts run for the season (or multiples of it I suppose), but contain the usual clauses for getting rid/leaving in a hurry when a better deal shows up. But there does seem to have been some expectation he'd be back, which is surprising if he's not on year 2 of a uni deal. I don’t know old boy,but I have always noticed that some signings,not just at Panthers either, contain the words “one year” or “for the season” but others don’t. Yet the players signing those “deals” never get gassed.
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Post by iginla on Jun 7, 2023 8:33:13 GMT
Depends if you sign players who actually give a crap about their hockey though doesn’t it. And Belfast University is pretty close to the Odyssey arena and not 20 miles away in a different town. Wait so now it has nothing to do with offering uni places being bad for a team? Yet also somehow very, very good for a team? But solely on who you offer them too? Surely by the logic of your first sentence if you give them to a player who gives a damn about their hockey then the 15 miles drive time will make no difference whatsoever? Because like you say they'll give a damn about the hockey regardless of whether it's a 10 minute or 30 minute drive on the occasions when they do have to go to class. If you sign a player who gives a damn about his hockey first rather than his Uni then you don’t get players who have to miss training or games because either they’ve got a lecture or Uni work to catch up on. Believe me it happens,I can think of one player in Nottingham who for years used to get really swizzled off that so many of his teammates wern’t at training and even missed games when they should have played. There is also the option of sometimes training at night which is something I have read the Giants doing before now.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 7, 2023 8:57:31 GMT
Wait so now it has nothing to do with offering uni places being bad for a team? Yet also somehow very, very good for a team? But solely on who you offer them too? Surely by the logic of your first sentence if you give them to a player who gives a damn about their hockey then the 15 miles drive time will make no difference whatsoever? Because like you say they'll give a damn about the hockey regardless of whether it's a 10 minute or 30 minute drive on the occasions when they do have to go to class. If you sign a player who gives a damn about his hockey first rather than his Uni then you don’t get players who have to miss training or games because either they’ve got a lecture or Uni work to catch up on. Believe me it happens,I can think of one player in Nottingham who for years used to get really swizzled off that so many of his teammates wern’t at training and even missed games when they should have played. There is also the option of sometimes training at night which is something I have read the Giants doing before now. just wondering - does anyone know the times that the player has to attend for his Uni course, do they fit in with the training session times, do they even have to actually attend in person or can it be done on line. Seems like there are a lot of comments about the negative effect the Uni courses have on players, but it could just be a day release course which wouldn't have a massive impact on on-ice training attendance.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 7, 2023 9:35:17 GMT
If you sign a player who gives a damn about his hockey first rather than his Uni then you don’t get players who have to miss training or games because either they’ve got a lecture or Uni work to catch up on. Believe me it happens,I can think of one player in Nottingham who for years used to get really swizzled off that so many of his teammates wern’t at training and even missed games when they should have played. There is also the option of sometimes training at night which is something I have read the Giants doing before now. just wondering - does anyone know the times that the player has to attend for his Uni course, do they fit in with the training session times, do they even have to actually attend in person or can it be done on line. Seems like there are a lot of comments about the negative effect the Uni courses have on players, but it could just be a day release course which wouldn't have a massive impact on on-ice training attendance. Our link up (Loughborough) offers a one year MBA - but that's based on full-time study, which obviously none of our players can do for obvious reasons. So our players take the Executive MBA pathway which can be taken over up to 4years in theory but ours are always limited to 2. Which is one year less than the average completion schedule incidentally. As the name suggests it is specifically designed to be done by people who are currently in employment. Ie: designed to be fit around other things rather than be taught full-time during working hours. As an Executive MBA student they'll be participating in remote learning already. Welsh spent much of his off-season summer in the library last year catching up on assignments before flying home for a wedding. Like a lot of part-time courses the Executive MBA offers hybrid learning. The Executive MBA is typically completed in 3years so Panthers players are on an accelerated schedule to do it in 2; thereby avoiding us being committed to a player for the average of 3 years it normally takes
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 9:38:38 GMT
Should be doing a uni link up with one in the same city.. Loughborough is 14 miles away.. just why.. Cardiff , Sheffield and Belfast manage to get theirs alot nearer..🙄
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Post by bobness on Jun 7, 2023 9:42:13 GMT
I’m wondering why Betteridge and Tetlow chose to return to the club when we are apparently such a joke and treat our players so badly? It can’t be money being as we are such Penny pinchers? Probably because they both had a little trip elsewhere, decided it wasn’t as good or more hard work than they thought it would be,so decided to return to the lovely cushy little lifestyle of being an overpaid Brit in the EIHL. They’re not the first to do it, there’s quite a list now of Brits who tried the same path abroad and couldn’t hack it so quickly came running back to the safety and cotton wool world of good old Britain. So, imports get squeezed, but Brits get money thrown at them? Frugal and profligate at the same time? What a tangled web... And is it that they "couldn't hack it", or just plain old boring didn't want to? I mean I went to Skegness once, but I've never been back, and it's not because I couldn't hack it...
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Post by bobness on Jun 7, 2023 9:44:07 GMT
Should be doing a uni link up with one in the same city.. Loughborough is 14 miles away.. just why.. Cardiff , Sheffield and Belfast manage to get theirs alot nearer..🙄 Probably easier to get to Loughborough Uni than Nottingham some days...
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Post by iginla on Jun 7, 2023 9:45:23 GMT
just wondering - does anyone know the times that the player has to attend for his Uni course, do they fit in with the training session times, do they even have to actually attend in person or can it be done on line. Seems like there are a lot of comments about the negative effect the Uni courses have on players, but it could just be a day release course which wouldn't have a massive impact on on-ice training attendance. Our link up (Loughborough) offers a one year MBA - but that's based on full-time study, which obviously none of our players can do for obvious reasons. So our players take the Executive MBA pathway which can be taken over up to 4years in theory but ours are always limited to 2. Which is one year less than the average completion schedule incidentally. As the name suggests it is specifically designed to be done by people who are currently in employment. Ie: designed to be fit around other things rather than be taught full-time during working hours. As an Executive MBA student they'll be participating in remote learning already. Welsh spent much of his off-season summer in the library last year catching up on assignments before flying home for a wedding. Like a lot of part-time courses the Executive MBA offers hybrid learning. The Executive MBA is typically completed in 3years so Panthers players are on an accelerated schedule to do it in 2; thereby avoiding us being committed to a player for the average of 3 years it normally takes Doing what should be a 3 year course crammed into only 2 years surely puts a lot of extra strain on the student thus giving them even less free time ? That doesn’t sound like a good fit for somebody who is also in other employment.
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Post by iginla on Jun 7, 2023 9:50:24 GMT
Probably because they both had a little trip elsewhere, decided it wasn’t as good or more hard work than they thought it would be,so decided to return to the lovely cushy little lifestyle of being an overpaid Brit in the EIHL. They’re not the first to do it, there’s quite a list now of Brits who tried the same path abroad and couldn’t hack it so quickly came running back to the safety and cotton wool world of good old Britain. So, imports get squeezed, but Brits get money thrown at them? Frugal and profligate at the same time? What a tangled web... And is it that they "couldn't hack it", or just plain old boring didn't want to? I mean I went to Skegness once, but I've never been back, and it's not because I couldn't hack it... We all know why Brits get money thrown at them Bob. Personally I’d rather go with a full roster of imports and let the Brits excel IF they’re good enough on a level wage structure to the imports.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 7, 2023 10:05:23 GMT
Should be doing a uni link up with one in the same city.. Loughborough is 14 miles away.. just why.. Cardiff , Sheffield and Belfast manage to get theirs alot nearer..🙄 Which is only 9 miles further than Nottingham Uni from the stadium. Hardly huge distances we're talking about here. Nottingham Trent only offer a full-time MBA which automatically takes them out of the mix. But *distance also misses the main point*: *Loughborough Uni specialise in student athletes*. Plus their training facilities are some of the best in the country. So when our players do have to go in person to research there or meet with a Mentor they have access to professional level facilities to combine gym work and library in the same trip (saving time). Loughborough already has the set-up, proven experience and support system to allow elite level athletes to combine studying with competing. They've been doing it for years. Not so much horses for courses, as courses for thoroughbred horses. In this equation distance is hardly the only factor... Which would you rather...we offer an MBA from a next door uni for convenience? Or an MBA from a uni only 15 miles away that has an international reputation for successfully helping student athletes compete and study at the highest level? As an incoming player I know which one has the edge for me.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 7, 2023 10:22:31 GMT
Our link up (Loughborough) offers a one year MBA - but that's based on full-time study, which obviously none of our players can do for obvious reasons. So our players take the Executive MBA pathway which can be taken over up to 4years in theory but ours are always limited to 2. Which is one year less than the average completion schedule incidentally. As the name suggests it is specifically designed to be done by people who are currently in employment. Ie: designed to be fit around other things rather than be taught full-time during working hours. As an Executive MBA student they'll be participating in remote learning already. Welsh spent much of his off-season summer in the library last year catching up on assignments before flying home for a wedding. Like a lot of part-time courses the Executive MBA offers hybrid learning. The Executive MBA is typically completed in 3years so Panthers players are on an accelerated schedule to do it in 2; thereby avoiding us being committed to a player for the average of 3 years it normally takes Doing what should be a 3 year course crammed into only 2 years surely puts a lot of extra strain on the student thus giving them even less free time ? That doesn’t sound like a good fit for somebody who is also in other employment. First fact check: *the course is designed to be able to be completed in 2 years*. It is not designed to be 3 years. I said "typically completed in" 3 years is only the average time taken to complete as some will take less units each year and do it over 4. You can do it in 2-4 years depending on preference. So it averages out at 3. 2 years should be easy for our players as unlike a regular exec, hockey players get a massive summer break. They're only "in work" for 8.5 months each year. So our players have way more time off each year to complete the course than a regularly employed person. In that 2 year period they'll have approx 7 months just to study. I'd be surprised if they needed more than 2 given that. The course is *designed to be able to be completed in 2 years* whilst working full time. Loughborough wouldn't offer it or allow it if it wasn't achievable as university's are penalised for non completed courses. And they have up to 4 years in theory, so if they found they needed to submit later they could self fund a writing up period potentially as an emergency option. But I'd be surprised if they needed more than 2. And I say that as someone who has combined post-graduate study with full time employment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 10:34:47 GMT
Should be doing a uni link up with one in the same city.. Loughborough is 14 miles away.. just why.. Cardiff , Sheffield and Belfast manage to get theirs alot nearer..🙄 Which is only 9 miles further than Nottingham Uni from the stadium. Hardly huge distances we're talking about here. Nottingham Trent only offer a full-time MBA which automatically takes them out of the mix. But *distance also misses the main point*: *Loughborough Uni specialise in student athletes*. Plus their training facilities are some of the best in the country. So when our players do have to go in person to research there or meet with a Mentor they have access to professional level facilities to combine gym work and library in the same trip (saving time). Loughborough already has the set-up, proven experience and support system to allow elite level athletes to combine studying with competing. They've been doing it for years. Not so much horses for courses, as courses for thoroughbred horses. In this equation distance is hardly the only factor... Which would you rather...we offer an MBA from a next door uni for convenience? Or an MBA from a uni only 15 miles away that has an international reputation for successfully helping student athletes compete and study at the highest level? As an incoming player I know which one has the edge for me. So you'd rather do something which benifits the player than what benifits the club?
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Post by iginla on Jun 7, 2023 10:39:48 GMT
Doing what should be a 3 year course crammed into only 2 years surely puts a lot of extra strain on the student thus giving them even less free time ? That doesn’t sound like a good fit for somebody who is also in other employment. First fact check: *the course is designed to be able to be completed in 2 years*. It is not designed to be 3 years. I said "typically completed in" 3 years is only the average time taken to complete as some will take less units each year and do it over 4. You can do it in 2-4 years depending on preference. So it averages out at 3. 2 years should be easy for our players as unlike a regular exec, hockey players get a massive summer break. They're only "in work" for 8.5 months each year. So our players have way more time off each year to complete the course than a regularly employed person. In that 2 year period they'll have approx 7 months just to study. I'd be surprised if they needed more than 2 given that. The course is *designed to be able to be completed in 2 years* whilst working full time. Loughborough wouldn't offer it or allow it if it wasn't achievable as university's are penalised for non completed courses. And they have up to 4 years in theory, so if they found they needed to submit later they could self fund a writing up period potentially as an emergency option. But I'd be surprised if they needed more than 2. And I say that as someone who has combined post-graduate study with full time employment. Good. With all that time to do it and all summer off then there shouldn’t really be any need or excuse to miss any training sessions at all. It’s not as if training takes up a massive part of their day is it. Sounds to me like any player here on a Uni course needs to be firmly told,yes you’re at Uni but you are here to play hockey FIRST.
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Post by bobness on Jun 7, 2023 12:06:18 GMT
Which is only 9 miles further than Nottingham Uni from the stadium. Hardly huge distances we're talking about here. Nottingham Trent only offer a full-time MBA which automatically takes them out of the mix. But *distance also misses the main point*: *Loughborough Uni specialise in student athletes*. Plus their training facilities are some of the best in the country. So when our players do have to go in person to research there or meet with a Mentor they have access to professional level facilities to combine gym work and library in the same trip (saving time). Loughborough already has the set-up, proven experience and support system to allow elite level athletes to combine studying with competing. They've been doing it for years. Not so much horses for courses, as courses for thoroughbred horses. In this equation distance is hardly the only factor... Which would you rather...we offer an MBA from a next door uni for convenience? Or an MBA from a uni only 15 miles away that has an international reputation for successfully helping student athletes compete and study at the highest level? As an incoming player I know which one has the edge for me. So you'd rather do something which benifits the player than what benifits the club? Attracting a "better" player is what benefits the club.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 7, 2023 12:10:01 GMT
Which is only 9 miles further than Nottingham Uni from the stadium. Hardly huge distances we're talking about here. Nottingham Trent only offer a full-time MBA which automatically takes them out of the mix. But *distance also misses the main point*: *Loughborough Uni specialise in student athletes*. Plus their training facilities are some of the best in the country. So when our players do have to go in person to research there or meet with a Mentor they have access to professional level facilities to combine gym work and library in the same trip (saving time). Loughborough already has the set-up, proven experience and support system to allow elite level athletes to combine studying with competing. They've been doing it for years. Not so much horses for courses, as courses for thoroughbred horses. In this equation distance is hardly the only factor... Which would you rather...we offer an MBA from a next door uni for convenience? Or an MBA from a uni only 15 miles away that has an international reputation for successfully helping student athletes compete and study at the highest level? As an incoming player I know which one has the edge for me. So you'd rather do something which benifits the player than what benifits the club? Since when does one not follow the other in recruitment? Either that or I think you've rather missed my point Pidge. I'm saying that given the option, being able to offer an MBA at a university that specialises in student athletes is a better recruiting tool. Therefore it benefits the the club. As it's more attractive to players as a recruitment tool. Figured you'd have joined up the dots on this one My point was that all other things being equal an incoming player might rightly choose a team offering an MBA from a university with a proven reputation of supporting student athletes to excel in both fields. And that that would more than offset any extra 12 miles travelling. We're normally talking about incoming players from North America who've often spent years traveling very long distances for road games, and for whom 15 miles is a trip to the grocery store after all. So I'm saying that Loughborough's student athlete reputation is an *added incentive* in terms of recruitment, not a negative. Plus the facilities mean studying needn't negatively impact player conditioning or further cut into gym time. And the team and player are always dealing with an institution that's used to having to juggle things for players competitions, training camps etc etc versus a less flexible institution Therefore, all of the above benefits the team.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 7, 2023 12:10:08 GMT
just wondering - does anyone know the times that the player has to attend for his Uni course, do they fit in with the training session times, do they even have to actually attend in person or can it be done on line. Seems like there are a lot of comments about the negative effect the Uni courses have on players, but it could just be a day release course which wouldn't have a massive impact on on-ice training attendance. Our link up (Loughborough) offers a one year MBA - but that's based on full-time study, which obviously none of our players can do for obvious reasons. So our players take the Executive MBA pathway which can be taken over up to 4years in theory but ours are always limited to 2. Which is one year less than the average completion schedule incidentally. As the name suggests it is specifically designed to be done by people who are currently in employment. Ie: designed to be fit around other things rather than be taught full-time during working hours. As an Executive MBA student they'll be participating in remote learning already. Welsh spent much of his off-season summer in the library last year catching up on assignments before flying home for a wedding. Like a lot of part-time courses the Executive MBA offers hybrid learning. The Executive MBA is typically completed in 3years so Panthers players are on an accelerated schedule to do it in 2; thereby avoiding us being committed to a player for the average of 3 years it normally takes so the impact on his availability to Panthers is fairly limited and can easily be managed ? The major effect is he will be studying in his spare time, so he won't be 'relaxing' like the rest of the team. But no different to any-one else on the same course.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 7, 2023 12:14:19 GMT
Our link up (Loughborough) offers a one year MBA - but that's based on full-time study, which obviously none of our players can do for obvious reasons. So our players take the Executive MBA pathway which can be taken over up to 4years in theory but ours are always limited to 2. Which is one year less than the average completion schedule incidentally. As the name suggests it is specifically designed to be done by people who are currently in employment. Ie: designed to be fit around other things rather than be taught full-time during working hours. As an Executive MBA student they'll be participating in remote learning already. Welsh spent much of his off-season summer in the library last year catching up on assignments before flying home for a wedding. Like a lot of part-time courses the Executive MBA offers hybrid learning. The Executive MBA is typically completed in 3years so Panthers players are on an accelerated schedule to do it in 2; thereby avoiding us being committed to a player for the average of 3 years it normally takes so the impact on his availability to Panthers is fairly limited and can easily be managed ? The major effect is he will be studying in his spare time, so he won't be 'relaxing' like the rest of the team. But no different to any-one else on the same course. Exactly. It's perfectly doable and therefore attractive to all parties involved: team, player, institution
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 15:10:16 GMT
So panthers announced re signings on Monday and Tuesday.. both bang average
Who we expecting at 7 tonight.. Ricci 🤣
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Post by TjPanther on Jun 7, 2023 15:30:35 GMT
So panthers announced re signings on Monday and Tuesday.. both bang average Who we expecting at 7 tonight.. Ricci 🤣 Dan green out of retirement
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 15:33:08 GMT
So panthers announced re signings on Monday and Tuesday.. both bang average Who we expecting at 7 tonight.. Ricci 🤣 Dan green out of retirement 😂
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Post by awooga on Jun 7, 2023 18:44:04 GMT
Whoever it is, I’m sure the Chuckle Brothers will find fault with him.
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