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Post by kievthegreat on May 16, 2023 8:31:55 GMT
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 16, 2023 8:56:17 GMT
From what they say having to play all their games away from home on a pair of 3 games in 3 days stretches (presumably with no part of the ticket sales as not hosting any games?) and moving a lot of weekend games to midweek games to make it happen (with drop in income) makes a certain amount of sense for a team only just now starting to compete on budget with the "big" teams. Presuming it was a financial stretch to far...
"it does allow is to put all our resources where they need to be at this time and hopefully we can put together an exciting new season ahead."
Looks like they're trying to stay competitive in the EIHL from what they say rather than spend too much and not be competitive in subsequent years.
Does that mean the Squeelers will inherit the slot as next in line?
Disappointing but looks like their business model and rink situation doesn't support it. But does rather make a mockery of trying to get into a good position for European hockey just to turn it down.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 10:03:44 GMT
Clearly don't have the wealthy backers most have presumed..
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Post by Joe on May 16, 2023 10:20:08 GMT
Whether people like the outcome or not Guildford’s owners are doing what we’ve been asking Black to do for years, run the club as close to breaking even as possible
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Post by DMS on May 16, 2023 10:24:00 GMT
It’s not a good look for the EIHL to be honest, it could cost the league favour with IIHF/CHL for future spots
I also bet the line about fixture congestion wouldn’t be an issue if they were able to host one of the rounds.
I think it’s quite a short sighted decision.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on May 16, 2023 11:40:13 GMT
It's about time Panthers had another Continental jaunt. Can't we step in..
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Post by Joe on May 16, 2023 12:11:20 GMT
It’s not a good look for the EIHL to be honest, it could cost the league favour with IIHF/CHL for future spots I also bet the line about fixture congestion wouldn’t be an issue if they were able to host one of the rounds. I think it’s quite a short sighted decision. I agree it’s not a good look and could impact our place in future competitions but you could easily argue it’s short sighted to sacrifice domestic success and therefore future income for a few away trips in a competition they’re not going to win |
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Post by DMS on May 16, 2023 14:35:12 GMT
It’s not a good look for the EIHL to be honest, it could cost the league favour with IIHF/CHL for future spots I also bet the line about fixture congestion wouldn’t be an issue if they were able to host one of the rounds. I think it’s quite a short sighted decision. I agree it’s not a good look and could impact our place in future competitions but you could easily argue it’s short sighted to sacrifice domestic success and therefore future income for a few away trips in a competition they’re not going to win Not going to win? Granted we (Panthers) are the only UK to have won it so far but EIHL teams are routinely making the final stages and competing to win it. Not competing in it could impact their ability to recruit, it doesn’t send a good message that they’re sacking off major competitions as those things scan motivate a players decision to sign for a team. I think the whole statement from them is for want of a better phrase wishy washy and as before I don’t think would be an issue if they didn’t have to travel. Are they gonna sack off a PO QF if they get drawn against a Scottish team or Belfast because of travel/cost. |
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Post by Spooks on May 16, 2023 15:05:43 GMT
It's about time Panthers had another Continental jaunt. Can't we step in.. Hell no, that would be a utter disaster. Think i would sooner stick pins in my eyes than watch the panthers get demolished by anyone. As for spending money on the away legs not a chance. |
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 16, 2023 15:57:08 GMT
I agree it’s not a good look and could impact our place in future competitions but you could easily argue it’s short sighted to sacrifice domestic success and therefore future income for a few away trips in a competition they’re not going to win ... as before I don’t think would be an issue if they didn’t have to travel. Are they gonna sack off a PO QF if they get drawn against a Scottish team or Belfast because of travel/cost. But the point is they'd be travelling to play *all* their games away. Presumably they've been told (as with CHL) that their rink isn't up to scratch to host any games. So they'd have two expensive road trips (each time to three venues) with zero income coming in to help offset it. Look at another way: it's twice the expense of if Steelers played it. They'd only have three away games because they could host as well. So for Flames it's twice the expense with noone of the income from it. I can see even Black questioning the point of paying for 6 games away from home with no income coming in from hosting the normal 3 home legs, plus more lower income midweek games to make up for the missed weekend games whilst they're away. From a purely business expense point of view it doesn't have much upside, and would be an expensive trophy to win, especially if it damaged the viability of the organisation financially. PS: re sacking off the POQF...that's the point: Play-off QFs are two legs: *home* and away. One helps pay for the other. This is all the legs of the competition played not only away from home but abroad. All expense, no income. It's not a true comparison to the POQF |
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 16, 2023 16:06:46 GMT
I agree it’s not a good look and could impact our place in future competitions but you could easily argue it’s short sighted to sacrifice domestic success and therefore future income for a few away trips in a competition they’re not going to win Not going to win? Granted we (Panthers) are the only UK to have won it so far but EIHL teams are routinely making the final stages and competing to win it. Not competing in it could impact their ability to recruit, it doesn’t send a good message that they’re sacking off major competitions as those things scan motivate a players decision to sign for a team. I think the whole statement from them is for want of a better phrase wishy washy and as before I don’t think would be an issue if they didn’t have to travel. Are they gonna sack off a PO QF if they get drawn against a Scottish team or Belfast because of travel/cost. Interestingly Brett Ferguson has just signed a new 2year deal today, so looks like they're aiming to move to a more stable roster situation as well as they try and build on this year's domestic progress. So doesn't seem to have affected their ability to sign proven talent in that instance at least. Looks like he's on board with a domestic focus |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 17:32:18 GMT
I don't see flames having half as good a season as last year tbh.. they'll be back around 4th/5th I'd imagine.
Another point , didn't Mr Grapes predict Dixon to be going to Sheffield.
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Post by Yotes on May 16, 2023 18:17:55 GMT
They're laying it on a bit thick with the talk about these long distance trips. It's almost always in France or Italy. Small time from Flames tbh. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 11:59:56 GMT
Devils confirm they have taken Flames place in this season's CC
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Post by Bagheera on May 17, 2023 12:55:48 GMT
Devils confirm they have taken Flames place in this season's CC After Sheffield turned it down too. Suprised by them. |
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Post by Joe on May 17, 2023 15:14:47 GMT
Devils confirm they have taken Flames place in this season's CC After Sheffield turned it down too. Suprised by them. The thought of another trophy less domestic season has got the Steelers scared |
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Post by loupowell52 on May 17, 2023 16:16:57 GMT
Reference Dixon and the Steelers . . . it's not over 'till the Fat Lady sings.
As far as Guildford not accepting a place in the Continental Cup, I think it shows a complete lack of ambition to their fans and future playing staff.
I do know that the financial backing at Guildford has changed in recent times with much less funding "behind the scenes". But, even allowing for the dearth of money available from sponsorship, etc., surely in the more affluent South the Flames could try and get some backing to help off-set the costs of competing in Europe.
I say again, it must irk the loyal Flames fans. What is at the end of the domestic rainbow as an incentive to win and compete ?
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Post by Yotes on May 17, 2023 20:01:32 GMT
Devils confirm they have taken Flames place in this season's CC After Sheffield turned it down too. Suprised by them. The best (cheapest) way for Two Point to avoid Foxy bottling the final is to bottle the entire competition, so that makes sense. Good news for Cardiff though, I'd rather be in the CHL but the CC is the realistic chance of a European trophy. |
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Post by DonClaneone on May 20, 2023 13:28:20 GMT
I don't see the point of the Continental Cup anymore, especially with no spot in the CHL for the winners.
Yes, it's a European trophy but without the CHL spot to go with it then it seems like a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere
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Post by bobness on May 21, 2023 7:53:40 GMT
I don't see the point of the Continental Cup anymore, especially with no spot in the CHL for the winners. Yes, it's a European trophy but without the CHL spot to go with it then it seems like a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere It would seem at least 2 EIHL teams agree with you. |
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