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Post by loupowell52 on Mar 6, 2023 18:11:15 GMT
Okay this is predictable but, answer honestly who you would offer a deal to for next season. And I include players, coaching staff and management.
My list is very short ;-
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Post by iginla on Mar 6, 2023 18:25:52 GMT
Caruso on 2nd D pairing because he’s pretty solid and on a Uni deal and Jones as back up NM…..And that’s it.
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Post by jd on Mar 6, 2023 20:01:09 GMT
Jones Hazeldine Hopkins
Seriously improvement needed on Brits. Ollie, Perlini, Lacho - would have them back. Be nice to get some fresh faces too
Faceoff winning centres, snipers, grinders and toughness
A guy can dream eh
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 6, 2023 21:32:08 GMT
It's all about putting the right pieces together. A number of this squad could do a job if placed correctly with the right people playing the correct roles around them. Problem is though, they are all battle scared from this season. I have no burning desire to keep any of the imports. Even the ones I like such as Gagnon can be easily replaced. Some of these guys will move on and have very good seasons somewhere else. The next lot will come in, find certain drinking establishments, get disengaged by their treatment and look half the players their CVs suggest.
CEO: Some things off ice have improved. Still feed fans what they think they want to here. I genuinely think Pacha wants to do a good job. He just doesn't really have the control his title suggests. Just another GM with a fancy title. I'd love him to stay and make it a success but It's hard to see. If he is being truthful regards money spent on roster compared to others then he clearly doesn't know how to support recruitment financially.
Coaching: Clear Out. I'd give Pete Russell a go if he'll come.
Jones: Yes
Debeau: No
Bloor/Sheldon: Yes, I really like the setup.
Caruso: He's back. A player I think would show his quality if at one of the top clubs.
Gagnon: Yes. As long as the rest is improved.
Summers: Ok but upgrade needed.
JCB: NO
Lindgren: NO
Lagrone: NO
Ricci: forward or D NO.
Hazeldine: A great prospect. Want him in the set up. 2 way with us having priority as a minimum. Depends on Brit set up.
Welsh: NO. Quite liked him at times but just do enough often enough.
Brady: NO
Sorensen: NO. Shows to little to often
Lathinen: NO. Not seen enough
Izacky: ?
Anderson: NO
Levin: Yes. One who I think could do a job if upgraded in other areas. Would be fine on a 3rd line with a good top 6.
Hammond: YES(Let me find my body armour). One of those with a good CV where it just hasn't worked out. Clear issues with GG. I dont think he's been great but also not as bad as some believe. He works harder than soem give him credit for too. Head says he should go, I just want to see him have another try.
Myers: RETIRE!!
Fererra: ? It's been a disaster. Hasn't worked out this time. Again depends who wants to come and if it's worth gambling on a 2nd season. Hopefully a No with better coming in.
Kelsall: NO. Works hard but should be upgradable.
Hopkins: YES. Utilse him more.
Brit pack will be really interesting. In an ideal world we get Betteridge and Perlini back at least. Ideally need 1 or 2 more too. I'd still take Keiran Brown even after his Elite Series antics. If rumours of 15 imports are true Id be tempted to sign 6 import D. Keep Archie and 4 Brit forwards. Have a spare import and adjust the line up accordingly. Who will Sheffield go to to replace JP? You can bet your mortgage they'll be in for Betteridge.
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Post by wgray on Mar 6, 2023 21:37:31 GMT
Thinking about the squad as a whole you really need to know what the roster rules are, so it’s difficult right now. But whether it’s 14+6 or 15+5, they must re-introduce the additional spots on a match night for U23’s.
From the imports, personally I’d like Jones and Levin to return. If we’ve not gone with 2 Brits on defence, and if we’ve strengthened the other import d positions, I’d take Summers back.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 6, 2023 22:36:37 GMT
Probably keep Jones, must keep Hazeldine and Hopkins (I'm not convinced we'll not muck that up). The rest, meh. As Baggy says though, some might fit in to a proper roster somewhere. Not really sure where we get a decent 6 Brits from. Kelsall, perhaps, and one of the backup keepers, but you still need 2 senior guys. Myers looks like it's time for the pipe and slippers to me. Edit - I'd completely forgotten about Ferrara , can he be as bad second time around? New coach/GM (1 bloke doing both jobs), and a full time, non-Rick Strachan or some other old geezer who happens to live in Nottingham, assistant coach. Pacha to be solely concerned with organising 80s nights.
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Post by bobness on Mar 7, 2023 10:39:48 GMT
Brits - Hazeldine and Hopkins need retaining and given regular roles to develop. Kelsall has had a decent season for me, and has handled being put onto D pretty well. He's not had a dis-similar season than Ollie had when he was 23. He looks like he needs some heft, though. Ferrara needs a re-boot, he's had a poor season somehow. But he can score you goals, he's proved that.
Imports, Jones very much so, Caruso looks like he'll be back and I'm OK with that, he's been the best of a fairly average bunch. Hammond is the kind of player you commit to and build him a line where he will achieve on. He's the dictionary definition of "mercurial, but flaky, genius". He can do things most players can't. If he's in, commit.
The rest have done little to persuade me. I don't think they're "bad" players, but they've had objectively poor seasons.
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Post by awooga on Mar 7, 2023 12:38:20 GMT
Greetings all. First post (please be gentle).
Pretty much a noob to all of this. Im of an age where I've seen Panthers at the old stadium, but my heart has always been in football (Forest) rather than ice hockey, so my season ticket money has been there mostly since the 1980s. I've seen some great times at Wembley through to some desperately poor stuff on Trentside, including pathetic performances in the old Division 3 to half empty stadia, so the doom and gloom I have read on here isnt news to me at all.
I cant claim to have seen lots of games over the years, but have enjoyed it when I have. Been down to see the Panthers more this season than I have ever before. What I will therefore offer up is that of a relative novice, albeit the basics of effort and commitment are pretty standard in whatever team sport you watch. My gaps will be in the technical side - positioning / formations etc - thats still relatively new to me.
Seems clear to me that the table doesnt lie - other than the Scottish teams, who are all poor, we are down there with them on merit. I saw us lose at home to Manchester Storm, about our position in the league, who on the night looked comfortably better than us. Throughout the games, I've felt that the effort and will to win was there - just that we aren't good enough. That said, I thought we looked a half decent side vs Cardiff (rode our luck a bit) - which shows there might be something there.
The biggest exception to the above is the recent Steelers game. It was damage limitation and pretty spineless after going 0-2 down in the first period. We couldnt get near them, posed very little threat on their goal and showed zero fight in a local derby which is unforgivable. Im amazed we scored as they extracted the urine all evening and probably should have had double the goal haul if they came out of 2nd gear.
Interesting to read others views (which is why I joined). Regarding who to keep / let go, I dont think I would lose any sleep over any of them moving on. Doesn't seem any one player to build a team around. Might was well roll the dice and let players go (assuming we can bring in better!).
The "better" players to my untrained eyes:
Peyton Jones - better than Dubeau who can go to pieces. Not sure I agree with subbing a keeper in a game like vs Steelers. Does nothing for a keepers confidence to get pulled mid game. Dont think he deserved that.
Jordan Kelsall - Perhaps rose tinted glasses given "One of our own" - but looks to have something and seems versatile with a decent work ethic. Could do with bulking up a bit perhaps, but one to keep.
Izacky and Levin - noticed these two linked up well vs Cardiff and again in the following home game v Stars - felt that if those two built up a relationship that it could work quite well.
Cant offer an opinion on anyone else really, which is quite damning on a matchday squad of 18/20! Certainly needs experience and hunger. It was men against boys in the Sheffield game which was by far the most disappointing performance I've seen. They looked like they'd rather be anywhere else than playing in 2nd and 3rd periods and it was simply damage limitation.
If Neilson is still here next year, then I expect very few of this squad will be. He doesnt try to hide his disappointment in interview (compare his comments to say, Steve Cooper at Forest who defends his lads to the hilt, even after a defeat). Corey pretty much shrugs his shoulders with a "what did you expect?" look about him after a defeat.
Feel free to educate me if I am talking drivel!
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 7, 2023 12:54:41 GMT
Jones was pulled on Saturday (I assume) to give Dubeau some game time as he hadn't played for a while. Since the end of January.
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Post by awooga on Mar 7, 2023 13:05:36 GMT
Jones was pulled on Saturday (I assume) to give Dubeau some game time as he hadn't played for a while. Since the end of January. Dubeau played the whole game vs Flames though. I’d read that as preferred rather than just to give some minutes?
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Post by Yotes on Mar 7, 2023 13:14:21 GMT
Could also have been to save Jones' numbers a bit too. When it went to 4 it felt like it was running away a bit, could've ended as a 5 or 6.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 7, 2023 13:59:49 GMT
Keep Jones (not been here long enough to queer his pitch), the two young Brits on a two way if needed, I bet Levins plane seat is already being warmed up to take him to a better league and I would ditch everyone else. If they are not good enough for Belfast or Sheffield why the hell would we want them here? Nottingham is very easy going regards sports fans and Panthers fans in particular but surely most would have seen the light by now.
Simple way of looking at it. Would Belfast or Sheffield have them? Then why the hell would the Panthers? Fine for the meet the fans and quiz night stalkers but all that counts in sport is winning. Anything else is a night out.
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Post by awooga on Mar 7, 2023 14:52:02 GMT
Agree with that. Said to my Mrs on the way out of the Steelers game “which ones of our side would get into theirs?”
The answer is none.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 16:52:27 GMT
Agree with that. Said to my Mrs on the way out of the Steelers game “which ones of our side would get into theirs?” The answer is none. Quality wise Steelers ain't much better man for man.. they just work harder and have a better attitude and know what it means to win the panthers/Steelers games. That's why it's clouded so much as the assumption is they don't have talent it's more to do with application.. not saying steelerw haven't got a much bigger budget because I think they do hence why they never seem to play short when they have injuries .
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 7, 2023 17:20:49 GMT
Agree with that. Said to my Mrs on the way out of the Steelers game “which ones of our side would get into theirs?” The answer is none. Quality wise Steelers ain't much better man for man.. they just work harder and have a better attitude and know what it means to win the panthers/Steelers games. That's why it's clouded so much as the assumption is they don't have talent it's more to do with application.. not saying steelerw haven't got a much bigger budget because I think they do hence why they never seem to play short when they have injuries . That fact alone makes them much better man for man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 17:50:39 GMT
Quality wise Steelers ain't much better man for man.. they just work harder and have a better attitude and know what it means to win the panthers/Steelers games. That's why it's clouded so much as the assumption is they don't have talent it's more to do with application.. not saying steelerw haven't got a much bigger budget because I think they do hence why they never seem to play short when they have injuries . That fact alone makes them much better man for man. But that's not the players fault they command less than other players and fit into blacks budget
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 7, 2023 17:55:50 GMT
Jones was pulled on Saturday (I assume) to give Dubeau some game time as he hadn't played for a while. Since the end of January. Dubeau played the whole game vs Flames though. I’d read that as preferred rather than just to give some minutes? I meant just to give some real game time so he wouldn't be starting completely cold on Sunday. As he would be starting on Sunday not Jones.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 7, 2023 18:10:27 GMT
That fact alone makes them much better man for man. But that's not the players fault they command less than other players and fit into blacks budget It’s not their fault they are not good enough. I would think that the majority of the squad was signed by Pasha and he’s signed Dundee v2
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 18:24:57 GMT
But that's not the players fault they command less than other players and fit into blacks budget It’s not their fault they are not good enough. I would think that the majority of the squad was signed by Pasha and he’s signed Dundee v2 He's signed Dundee V2 because that's all his budget allowed , it's not like he's had a big budget and only spent two thirds of it for example!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 7, 2023 18:45:30 GMT
It’s not their fault they are not good enough. I would think that the majority of the squad was signed by Pasha and he’s signed Dundee v2 He's signed Dundee V2 because that's all his budget allowed , it's not like he's had a big budget and only spent two thirds of it for example! But he still took the job and gave it all the BS
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 7, 2023 19:21:34 GMT
Caruso and Welsh are absoloutly players that Sheffield and Belfast would sign. If they were to sign in Sheffield with their CVs prior to coming here everybody would say they looked good signings for them, as they did when we signed them. Welsh even had decent numbers last year on a bad side. I still believe part of him just gave up when he realised the garbage he had to play with. Fact is they've been Panthered! Brady is even an example of a signing that had he gone to Sheffield he'd likely be topping the scoring charts. As I stated above. I wouldn't have the majority back but we sure havn't seen the best of what these players can bring. Again.
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Post by awooga on Mar 7, 2023 20:30:09 GMT
Not sure that any club is making profits for fat cat owners. Wages will make up the majority of turnover and enough clubs have gone bang to prove the point.
I’d like to think that the club should be a fairly attractive proposition- particularly if any bad apples are being shown the door.
Aren’t salaries pretty equal amongst clubs? About 30-35k pa? (Or so Google says). Not sure why any other location would be preferable to Nottingham?
Club has been good before. No reason why it can’t be again. Certainly a more level playing field than football.
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Post by allingtonskates on Mar 7, 2023 21:44:24 GMT
Levin is our only import worth keeping and I highly doubt he will be back. I’d be happy with jones back but other than that we just aren’t good enough.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 7, 2023 22:56:31 GMT
Caruso and Welsh are absoloutly players that Sheffield and Belfast would sign. If they were to sign in Sheffield with their CVs prior to coming here everybody would say they looked good signings for them, as they did when we signed them. Welsh even had decent numbers last year on a bad side. I still believe part of him just gave up when he realised the garbage he had to play with. Fact is they've been Panthered! Brady is even an example of a signing that had he gone to Sheffield he'd likely be topping the scoring charts. As I stated above. I wouldn't have the majority back but we sure havn't seen the best of what these players can bring. Again. Never in a million years. Welsh for sure a few years ago but Caruso would be an easy upgrade.
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Post by wgray on Mar 8, 2023 1:17:58 GMT
Caruso and Welsh are absoloutly players that Sheffield and Belfast would sign. If they were to sign in Sheffield with their CVs prior to coming here everybody would say they looked good signings for them, as they did when we signed them. Welsh even had decent numbers last year on a bad side. I still believe part of him just gave up when he realised the garbage he had to play with. Fact is they've been Panthered! Brady is even an example of a signing that had he gone to Sheffield he'd likely be topping the scoring charts. As I stated above. I wouldn't have the majority back but we sure havn't seen the best of what these players can bring. Again. I agree with you, their CV’s would get them a spot on other teams in the league. Before the start of the season, I recall pretty much everybody was excited to see what this team could do, the only queries we had were with the experience of the defence as a whole, but pretty much everybody thought we were going to score goals. That’s not been the case. It shows there are many factors that go into building a successful team, many aspects which you can’t just obtain from Eliteprospects
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