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Post by pantherlee on Nov 24, 2022 9:36:10 GMT
Don't think you were the only one Dave, a few of us who have been going 20+ years also said the same thing, as soon as he started spouting off pre season we gave him 3 months. Totally underestimated this league im just surprised Pacha didn't clock on he's been around long enough. Yes there was the odd voice like me,he wasn’t hard to see through though GG, I’m amazed some people couldn’t see it. Neither was Wallace although he took a little bit longer to suss out. Similar with Brassard and his performances, I’ve been saying it for months that he was crap but it’s only fairly recently most have seen the light on him. Pacha has disappointed me lately,where is he ? Apart from a nice little cringy cosy up letter to the fans a couple of weeks ago to tell them how fab they are and what he thinks they’d like to hear he’s been totally anonymous. I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 9:47:54 GMT
Not at all Yotes,if I think somebody looks decent then I say so,if they look poor I stick my neck on the line and say so again. The one thing I actually liked about GG was that he didn’t seem afraid to rock the boat, hence some interviews that were obviously edited or cut short. Probably something which contributed to his downfall. Trouble with Panthers interviews is that they never ask the tough or interesting questions,it’s always boring mundane questions that we’ve heard hundreds of times before. I thought it might change with the improved media side but it hasn’t apart from some of Chris’s stuff. Most of it is like listening to the old TCW but just with some different people still sitting on the same fence. Presumably then the "Gary Graham is Head Coach" thread from when he was first announced is just awash with your comments saying how poor he looks, especially since you find it so easy to judge people quickly as you said in your previous post and like to "stick your neck on the line and say so"... thecageforum.proboards.com/thread/20773/gary-graham-new-head-coachOh, no wait a minute Is this like when you said you'd said Sam Herr would top the scoring charts in the league but your actual post only said you thought he'd be one of the top 6 forward for the Panthers? I never said GG looked great or poor when he signed, he looked like a decent enough choice though as a bloke at least with some passion about him which was a nice change after what was usually in situ in Nottingham. What I am saying is it very soon became clear that he was all talk and full of BS which has proved correct. I also never said Sam Herr would top the scoring charts, that was Pidge not me. |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 9:57:08 GMT
Yes there was the odd voice like me,he wasn’t hard to see through though GG, I’m amazed some people couldn’t see it. Neither was Wallace although he took a little bit longer to suss out. Similar with Brassard and his performances, I’ve been saying it for months that he was crap but it’s only fairly recently most have seen the light on him. Pacha has disappointed me lately,where is he ? Apart from a nice little cringy cosy up letter to the fans a couple of weeks ago to tell them how fab they are and what he thinks they’d like to hear he’s been totally anonymous. I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. Never said you should be hearing from him constantly,but throughout what has been a shockingly bad start to the season how many times have we seen or heard that it’s “not acceptable,not good enough,jobs are on the line” etc etc and that it will be addressed and changes made if things don’t improve ? All we heard for months was almost complete silence from the CEO and owner. It’s no wonder the team are already out of the title race after only a quarter of the season ! Not even GG threatened any action,well he probably did but it got edited out of interviews so it wasn’t seen. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 24, 2022 10:01:00 GMT
Yes there was the odd voice like me,he wasn’t hard to see through though GG, I’m amazed some people couldn’t see it. Neither was Wallace although he took a little bit longer to suss out. Similar with Brassard and his performances, I’ve been saying it for months that he was crap but it’s only fairly recently most have seen the light on him. Pacha has disappointed me lately,where is he ? Apart from a nice little cringy cosy up letter to the fans a couple of weeks ago to tell them how fab they are and what he thinks they’d like to hear he’s been totally anonymous. I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. We heard plenty before the season started so it would be good to hear from someone on why it’s gone so disastrously wrong. Over promising and under delivering seems to be ok in Nottingham |
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 24, 2022 10:45:25 GMT
I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. Never said you should be hearing from him constantly,but throughout what has been a shockingly bad start to the season how many times have we seen or heard that it’s “not acceptable,not good enough,jobs are on the line” etc etc and that it will be addressed and changes made if things don’t improve ? All we heard for months was almost complete silence from the CEO and owner. It’s no wonder the team are already out of the title race after only a quarter of the season ! Not even GG threatened any action,well he probably did but it got edited out of interviews so it wasn’t seen. Well he’s acted hasn’t he? He hired GG who had an impressive CV who nobody complained about at the time. Quite the reverse in fact. It hasn’t worked in the way that everyone expected it would. He’s given GG a fair amount of time to turn the tide which in the end he couldn’t do and now he’s got rid and brought and in Neilson, who may not be your cup of tea but he’s a safe pair of hands with plenty of experience who knows the league and the club. I don’t really get what more you expect from Pacha. It’s players who need fingers pointed at as they are a group that should be delivering a hell of a lot more than they have |
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Post by jd on Nov 24, 2022 10:46:24 GMT
I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. Never said you should be hearing from him constantly,but throughout what has been a shockingly bad start to the season how many times have we seen or heard that it’s “not acceptable,not good enough,jobs are on the line” etc etc and that it will be addressed and changes made if things don’t improve ? All we heard for months was almost complete silence from the CEO and owner. It’s no wonder the team are already out of the title race after only a quarter of the season ! Not even GG threatened any action,well he probably did but it got edited out of interviews so it wasn’t seen. So you moan that we dont hear from him. Then you moan that when we do hear from him. Still, wont bother you as an ex panthers fan who is no longer interested in hockey will it?  |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 10:46:58 GMT
Presumably then the "Gary Graham is Head Coach" thread from when he was first announced is just awash with your comments saying how poor he looks, especially since you find it so easy to judge people quickly as you said in your previous post and like to "stick you neck out and say so"... thecageforum.proboards.com/thread/20773/gary-graham-new-head-coachOh, no wait a minute It's this like when you said you'd said Sam Herr would top the scoring charts in the league but your actual post only said you thought he'd be one of the top 6 forward for the Panthers? Only a top 6 forward 😂.. great summary. Didn't think Iggy sits on the fence? 😂 From Herr’s stats that’s what he looked like a top six forward,there was nothing really to suggest from his CV that Herr would do what he did and virtually nobody if anybody else at all seemed to quite share you view. I’ve always wondered just how you arrived at your lucky guess Pidge,what exactly was it that made you think he would be the leagues top scorer ? I’m intrigued,do tell us. |
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Post by jd on Nov 24, 2022 10:47:51 GMT
Never said you should be hearing from him constantly,but throughout what has been a shockingly bad start to the season how many times have we seen or heard that it’s “not acceptable,not good enough,jobs are on the line” etc etc and that it will be addressed and changes made if things don’t improve ? All we heard for months was almost complete silence from the CEO and owner. It’s no wonder the team are already out of the title race after only a quarter of the season ! Not even GG threatened any action,well he probably did but it got edited out of interviews so it wasn’t seen. Well he’s acted hasn’t he? He hired GG who had an impressive CV who nobody complained about at the time. Quite the reverse in fact. It hasn’t worked in the way that everyone expected it would. He’s given GG a fair amount of time to turn the tide which in the end he couldn’t do and now he’s got rid and brought and in Neilson, who may not be your cup of tea but he’s a safe pair of hands with plenty of experience who knows the league and the club. I don’t really get what more you expect from Pacha. It’s players who need fingers pointed at as they are a group that should be delivering a hell of a lot more than they have Don't forget he's an ex panthers fan, he's not interested in hockey anymore |
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 24, 2022 10:56:55 GMT
Yes there was the odd voice like me,he wasn’t hard to see through though GG, I’m amazed some people couldn’t see it. Neither was Wallace although he took a little bit longer to suss out. Similar with Brassard and his performances, I’ve been saying it for months that he was crap but it’s only fairly recently most have seen the light on him. Pacha has disappointed me lately,where is he ? Apart from a nice little cringy cosy up letter to the fans a couple of weeks ago to tell them how fab they are and what he thinks they’d like to hear he’s been totally anonymous. I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. I dont agree with Iggy a lot on this subject. Certainly taking aim at Jono and the media team is ridiculous. Internal media teams cannot and should not be expected to put members of their organisasion in uncomfortable positions. Unfortunatly the sport just doesn't have the interest here to have independant media outlets around to ask the tougher questions we'd all like to see. However, I dont think it's unreasonable to hear from Pacha when a coach has been fired and a new one hired. It's the perfect times for him to get in front of the camera and give the fans an update of whats going on. |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 11:02:46 GMT
Never said you should be hearing from him constantly,but throughout what has been a shockingly bad start to the season how many times have we seen or heard that it’s “not acceptable,not good enough,jobs are on the line” etc etc and that it will be addressed and changes made if things don’t improve ? All we heard for months was almost complete silence from the CEO and owner. It’s no wonder the team are already out of the title race after only a quarter of the season ! Not even GG threatened any action,well he probably did but it got edited out of interviews so it wasn’t seen. Well he’s acted hasn’t he? He hired GG who had an impressive CV who nobody complained about at the time. Quite the reverse in fact. It hasn’t worked in the way that everyone expected it would. He’s given GG a fair amount of time to turn the tide which in the end he couldn’t do and now he’s got rid and brought and in Neilson, who may not be your cup of tea but he’s a safe pair of hands with plenty of experience who knows the league and the club. I don’t really get what more you expect from Pacha. It’s players who need fingers pointed at as they are a group that should be delivering a hell of a lot more than they have He’s acted yes,too late though. I expected to see more from Pacha, he should have input and be more visible at times on the hockey side of things. He’s not just a GM as some claim, if he is then why give him a fancy title of CEO. A CEO has control over all things under him and if that means stating hard cold facts or issuing a no nonsense kick up the pants to coach or players then that’s what I expect to see. |
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Post by jd on Nov 24, 2022 11:06:57 GMT
Well he’s acted hasn’t he? He hired GG who had an impressive CV who nobody complained about at the time. Quite the reverse in fact. It hasn’t worked in the way that everyone expected it would. He’s given GG a fair amount of time to turn the tide which in the end he couldn’t do and now he’s got rid and brought and in Neilson, who may not be your cup of tea but he’s a safe pair of hands with plenty of experience who knows the league and the club. I don’t really get what more you expect from Pacha. It’s players who need fingers pointed at as they are a group that should be delivering a hell of a lot more than they have He’s acted yes,too late though. I expected to see more from Pacha, he should have input and be more visible at times on the hockey side of things. He’s not just a GM as some claim, if he is then why give him a fancy title of CEO. A CEO has control over all things under him and if that means stating hard cold facts or issuing a no nonsense kick up the pants to coach or players then that’s what I expect to see. When do you think GG should have been fired then? September? October? |
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 24, 2022 11:17:53 GMT
Well he’s acted hasn’t he? He hired GG who had an impressive CV who nobody complained about at the time. Quite the reverse in fact. It hasn’t worked in the way that everyone expected it would. He’s given GG a fair amount of time to turn the tide which in the end he couldn’t do and now he’s got rid and brought and in Neilson, who may not be your cup of tea but he’s a safe pair of hands with plenty of experience who knows the league and the club. I don’t really get what more you expect from Pacha. It’s players who need fingers pointed at as they are a group that should be delivering a hell of a lot more than they have He’s acted yes,too late though. I expected to see more from Pacha, he should have input and be more visible at times on the hockey side of things. He’s not just a GM as some claim, if he is then why give him a fancy title of CEO. A CEO has control over all things under him and if that means stating hard cold facts or issuing a no nonsense kick up the pants to coach or players then that’s what I expect to see. If he started talking about the on ice side side of things wouldn't that be undermining the coach? You don't see Directors of Football in front of the cameras taking about managers and the players so why should it be different for Ice Hockey? |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 11:21:36 GMT
He’s acted yes,too late though. I expected to see more from Pacha, he should have input and be more visible at times on the hockey side of things. He’s not just a GM as some claim, if he is then why give him a fancy title of CEO. A CEO has control over all things under him and if that means stating hard cold facts or issuing a no nonsense kick up the pants to coach or players then that’s what I expect to see. When do you think GG should have been fired then? September? October? I would have fired him mid October, it was obvious by then GG wasn’t up to it. |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 11:26:01 GMT
He’s acted yes,too late though. I expected to see more from Pacha, he should have input and be more visible at times on the hockey side of things. He’s not just a GM as some claim, if he is then why give him a fancy title of CEO. A CEO has control over all things under him and if that means stating hard cold facts or issuing a no nonsense kick up the pants to coach or players then that’s what I expect to see. If he started talking about the on ice side side of things wouldn't that be undermining the coach? You don't see Directors of Football in front of the cameras taking about managers and the players so why should it be different for Ice Hockey? He’s the guy Black put in control and Black isn’t going to emerge from the shadows to do it so who is going to give the coach a kick up the pants. We’ve seen it publicly at other EIHL hockey clubs when things have gone bad. It’s all still too cushy in Nottingham. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 24, 2022 11:30:22 GMT
He doesn't have to do that in public, he was almost certainly doing it in private.
The worst thing Pach has done this year, IMO, was that message to the fans after 4 games or whatever it was.
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 11:32:00 GMT
I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. I dont agree with Iggy a lot on this subject. Certainly taking aim at Jono and the media team is ridiculous. Internal media teams cannot and should not be expected to put members of their organisasion in uncomfortable positions. Unfortunatly the sport just doesn't have the interest here to have independant media outlets around to ask the tougher questions we'd all like to see. However, I dont think it's unreasonable to hear from Pacha when a coach has been fired and a new one hired. It's the perfect times for him to get in front of the camera and give the fans an update of whats going on. I agree with a lot of what you say Baggy and I’m not having a go at the media team,I’m having a go at the overall culture. It starts above the media team,if I was the CEO I’d be telling Chris and Jono to get in there and ask some searching questions. It’s all too nicey nicey,give the coach and players an easy ride. And yet people wonder why the Panthers don’t have that winning mentality,they never will whilst ever they get such a nice cushy easy ride ! |
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 24, 2022 11:34:02 GMT
If he started talking about the on ice side side of things wouldn't that be undermining the coach? You don't see Directors of Football in front of the cameras taking about managers and the players so why should it be different for Ice Hockey? He’s the guy Black put in control and Black isn’t going to emerge from the shadows to do it so who is going to give the coach a kick up the pants. We’ve seen it publicly at other EIHL hockey clubs when things have gone bad. It’s all still too cushy in Nottingham. So just because others have done it (don’t know who you’re referring to) Panthers should do it to? Don’t agree with that at all and it should be kept behind closed doors. The coach should always be answerable to the CEO but the CEO should remain upstairs in the background IMO It can’t be that cushy if the coach gets the boot after two and half months |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 11:35:18 GMT
He doesn't have to do that in public, he was almost certainly doing it in private. The worst thing Pach has done this year, IMO, was that message to the fans after 4 games or whatever it was. Agreed you don’t have to do it in public, but it will have more effect if you do if privately didn’t work which it didn’t seem to. It also give the fans a clue that you’re actually doing something to address the situation instead of sitting back letting another season disappear up the swanny. |
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 24, 2022 11:36:32 GMT
I dont agree with Iggy a lot on this subject. Certainly taking aim at Jono and the media team is ridiculous. Internal media teams cannot and should not be expected to put members of their organisasion in uncomfortable positions. Unfortunatly the sport just doesn't have the interest here to have independant media outlets around to ask the tougher questions we'd all like to see. However, I dont think it's unreasonable to hear from Pacha when a coach has been fired and a new one hired. It's the perfect times for him to get in front of the camera and give the fans an update of whats going on. I agree with a lot of what you say Baggy and I’m not having a go at the media team,I’m having a go at the overall culture. It starts above the media team,if I was the CEO I’d be telling Chris and Jono to get in there and ask some searching questions. It’s all too nicey nicey,give the coach and players an easy ride. And yet people wonder why the Panthers don’t have that winning mentality,they never will whilst ever they get such a nice cushy easy ride ! Do Steelers, Devils and Giants own media team give their own coaches such a grilling in interviews? |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 11:50:37 GMT
I agree with a lot of what you say Baggy and I’m not having a go at the media team,I’m having a go at the overall culture. It starts above the media team,if I was the CEO I’d be telling Chris and Jono to get in there and ask some searching questions. It’s all too nicey nicey,give the coach and players an easy ride. And yet people wonder why the Panthers don’t have that winning mentality,they never will whilst ever they get such a nice cushy easy ride ! Do Steelers, Devils and Giants own media team give their own coaches such a grilling in interviews? No idea on the Devils and Giants I very rarely even look at their stuff. Besides they don’t need to as they’re usually winning ! But I’ve seen the Steelers,Clan,Blaze and Storm say some pointed things at times. |
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Post by float on Nov 24, 2022 11:53:59 GMT
I agree with a lot of what you say Baggy and I’m not having a go at the media team,I’m having a go at the overall culture. It starts above the media team,if I was the CEO I’d be telling Chris and Jono to get in there and ask some searching questions. It’s all too nicey nicey,give the coach and players an easy ride. And yet people wonder why the Panthers don’t have that winning mentality,they never will whilst ever they get such a nice cushy easy ride ! Do Steelers, Devils and Giants own media team give their own coaches such a grilling in interviews? Im with you in the sense that I don't think the club's media team should be putting uncomfortable questions to them. It's a promotional tool and asking negative/disruptive/tougher questions isn't going to A. achieve anything and B. Help sell tickets to games. The only exception I'll give to the list above is that the Giants allow the podcast guys to analyse and critique if needed freely (within reason) on their separate channel which I think serves a nice balance. Iggy does have a slight point about harder questions/topics, but that should be being done entirely through and independent media outlet, whether that be BBC Nottingham (although Chris Ellis's link here doesn't make that independent , The Post etc. But it won't and shouldn't be being done by the clubs staff. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 12:25:48 GMT
I agree with a lot of what you say Baggy and I’m not having a go at the media team,I’m having a go at the overall culture. It starts above the media team,if I was the CEO I’d be telling Chris and Jono to get in there and ask some searching questions. It’s all too nicey nicey,give the coach and players an easy ride. And yet people wonder why the Panthers don’t have that winning mentality,they never will whilst ever they get such a nice cushy easy ride ! Do Steelers, Devils and Giants own media team give their own coaches such a grilling in interviews? The answer to that is no mate .. what the panthers media team do is no different to all the other media teams around the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 12:27:10 GMT
Only a top 6 forward 😂.. great summary. Didn't think Iggy sits on the fence? 😂 From Herr’s stats that’s what he looked like a top six forward,there was nothing really to suggest from his CV that Herr would do what he did and virtually nobody if anybody else at all seemed to quite share you view. I’ve always wondered just how you arrived at your lucky guess Pidge,what exactly was it that made you think he would be the leagues top scorer ? I’m intrigued,do tell us. There was nothing lucky about it at all.. |
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Post by iginla on Nov 24, 2022 12:59:52 GMT
From Herr’s stats that’s what he looked like a top six forward,there was nothing really to suggest from his CV that Herr would do what he did and virtually nobody if anybody else at all seemed to quite share you view. I’ve always wondered just how you arrived at your lucky guess Pidge,what exactly was it that made you think he would be the leagues top scorer ? I’m intrigued,do tell us. There was nothing lucky about it at all.. Like I say,tell us just what it was then that made him stand out as a league top scorer. I bet we could find a few other similar looking CV’s that didn’t end up doing what Herr did. |
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 24, 2022 13:00:27 GMT
I don’t understand why you’d want to be hearing constantly from Pacha especially during the playing season. He’s the CEO he belongs in the background quietly going about his business. It’s the team and coach that should be in the spotlight. Never said you should be hearing from him constantly,but throughout what has been a shockingly bad start to the season how many times have we seen or heard that it’s “not acceptable,not good enough,jobs are on the line” etc etc and that it will be addressed and changes made if things don’t improve ? All we heard for months was almost complete silence from the CEO and owner. It’s no wonder the team are already out of the title race after only a quarter of the season ! Not even GG threatened any action,well he probably did but it got edited out of interviews so it wasn’t seen. Maybe you should have more patience lol. Pacha going on BBC Radio Nottingham tonight |
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