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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 4, 2022 6:57:21 GMT
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 4, 2022 7:49:04 GMT
When I first read it last night I wasn't pleased, but after a few minutes thinking it makes perfect sense. I'd love to see Jack in the line up every game night and getting plenty of shifts, however we are currently short on D so Hazeldine and Moore both need to play. That simply doesn't allow enough game day roster space for Jack. I would fully expect that once we back to 5 import D that Jack comes back in. The only difference being that Moore would get dropped instead of Hazeldine if it were up to me. |
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Post by iginla on Nov 4, 2022 8:55:26 GMT
When I first read it last night I wasn't pleased, but after a few minutes thinking it makes perfect sense. I'd love to see Jack in the line up every game night and getting plenty of shifts, however we are currently short on D so Hazeldine and Moore both need to play. That simply doesn't allow enough game day roster space for Jack. I would fully expect that once we back to 5 import D that Jack comes back in. The only difference being that Moore would get dropped instead of Hazeldine if it were up to me. Or should they have sent Kelsall to MK. Isn’t this season all supposed to be about building for the future (or so I keep getting told). Hopkins will be a far better player in the future than Kelsall will ever be . |
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 4, 2022 11:25:38 GMT
When I first read it last night I wasn't pleased, but after a few minutes thinking it makes perfect sense. I'd love to see Jack in the line up every game night and getting plenty of shifts, however we are currently short on D so Hazeldine and Moore both need to play. That simply doesn't allow enough game day roster space for Jack. I would fully expect that once we back to 5 import D that Jack comes back in. The only difference being that Moore would get dropped instead of Hazeldine if it were up to me. Or should they have sent Kelsall to MK. Isn’t this season all supposed to be about building for the future (or so I keep getting told). Hopkins will be a far better player in the future than Kelsall will ever be . I get your point and to some extent I agree. I think Hopkins certainly looks to have the potential to be a vastly superior player than Kelsall. However Kelsall isn't doing a bad job as it stands. He's one of the few prepared to put his body on the line. I dont ever see him becoming an elite Brit but as it stands he's a brit we need and cant afford to lose him all together should he become unhappy. Id love us to be in a position where our Brit pack was strong enough that we could see him as not good enough. Right now thats not the case. Pacha needs to work on improving the clubs reputation with Brits in order to attract the better ones. Until the day that reputation improves we need people like Kelsall. Treating him properly also fit in to building that reputation. We are likely seeing Myers last season? Perhaps 1 more. Fererra hasnt worked out so far but hopefully he'll come good. Hazeldine is currently proving find of the season. As of now he wouldn't be going anyway near NIHL games. Id keep him here full time. Largely to risk injury. Based on twitter its suggested he'll play against Hopkins on Saturday, between 2 Panthers games. If thats the case it needs to stop asap. Cant afford him getting injured or burn out. Anyway, Jack hopefully has a big future at Panthers, he does neex handling correctly. Hopefully everyone is happy with the current arangement and he'll be back in a Panthers shirt soon. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 4, 2022 14:38:40 GMT
I suppose if he's going to be the one to sit out when we're at full import strength, then it's better that he can go and play somewhere else. I personally think he offers more than Kelsall tbh, things like the play he made to assist Welsh the other week, Kelsall isn't doing that. But I guess GG makes his choice.
Hope it was something he was keen to do though, there's nothing to tie a young player to Nottingham other than good will really.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 4, 2022 15:06:46 GMT
I would take Hopkins over Kelsall every time. Give Hopkins Kalsalls ice time rather than a two way cop out
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 4, 2022 16:07:25 GMT
I would take Hopkins over Kelsall every time. Give Hopkins Kalsalls ice time rather than a two way cop out I agree. Without the over thinking atuff I did If the decision was mine to make id make that one, but I can understand their thinking. |
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Post by iginla on Nov 4, 2022 17:10:52 GMT
I would take Hopkins over Kelsall every time. Give Hopkins Kalsalls ice time rather than a two way cop out That’s what i’d have done. Could be interesting Brit wise next year, it’s got to be likely Myers will retire and will Ferrara stay because if he doesn’t produce he’s probably looking at a pay cut next year from what they perhaps had to pay to get him here ? |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 4, 2022 17:24:26 GMT
I would take Hopkins over Kelsall every time. Give Hopkins Kalsalls ice time rather than a two way cop out I agree. Without the over thinking atuff I did If the decision was mine to make id make that one, but I can understand their thinking. The building the core guff that gets peddled out is meaningless by taking Kelsall over Hopkins. I don't understand it at all. He would get proper ice time in a far higher league |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 4, 2022 17:27:15 GMT
I would take Hopkins over Kelsall every time. Give Hopkins Kalsalls ice time rather than a two way cop out That’s what i’d have done. Could be interesting Brit wise next year, it’s got to be likely Myers will retire and will Ferrara stay because if he doesn’t produce he’s probably looking at a pay cut next year from what they perhaps had to pay to get him here ? We have a pretty poor Brit pack for an arena team in that Myers is getting older and Ferrara (although putting in the work) isn't scoring. AH is doing well as he has been thrown in the deep end and he's making it work which should be happening to Hopkins |
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Post by yeti on Nov 4, 2022 17:54:52 GMT
As I see it we are hopefully keeping Archie full time. It could be that Lagrone is out longer than we have been told. With how Archie is playing they have probably decided not to bring in another import defenceman.
They are probably happy with Kelsal's defensive play on the 4th line and penalty killing.
It makes perfect sense for Hopkins to go on a two way deal to give him time on a higher line to develop his offensive skills. He will also still be training daily with the Panthers. As long as we have first shout when we need him then the chances are he will still get plenty of ice time with the Panthers.
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Post by wgray on Nov 4, 2022 18:25:12 GMT
Kelsall is undoubtedly a bottom 6 forward, I don’t think he’ll progress further than that but he’s capable of doing that role now.
Hopkins is still very young and if he can develop his skills in the NIHL to the point where he is more effective on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd lines in the EIHL than it will have been a good move. I don’t see the point of playing Hopkins on the 4th line, but in turn, he’s not better than any of our imports playing on the lines above him.
It’s the right move for Jack.
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Post by bobness on Nov 4, 2022 18:30:01 GMT
Just a few facts from the stats.
10 GP each,
Kelsall has 1+1, Hopkins yet to score a point.
K -5, H -4.
K 9 SOG, H 0.
In the Cup,
K 0+0, 6 SOG, -1.
H 0+1, 2 SOG, even.
Hopkins needs to get some bigger ice time elsewhere, or he will surely progress more slowly. Training with Panthers will still be very good for him though.
He's only 18, and is about 11 stone dripping wet. K is 23.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 4, 2022 19:38:52 GMT
He's only 18, and is about 11 stone dripping wet. K is 23. ... and 9 stone dripping wet.  Has Kelsall only got 1 goal? I thought from filling in the scorers on the game threads that he'd bagged a couple at least? (I admit I can't remember any at the moment.) |
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Post by spik on Nov 4, 2022 22:54:35 GMT
He's only 18, and is about 11 stone dripping wet. K is 23. ... and 9 stone dripping wet. Has Kelsall only got 1 goal? I thought from filling in the scorers on the game threads that he'd bagged a couple at least? (I admit I can't remember any at the moment.) I've got the two also. One versus Glasgow at home on the GRS 26/10/22 and today. Due a stats check anyway. Dropping off to sleep here and who knows what has gone adrift in the payer stats , so a check against Elite due for me. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 4, 2022 23:06:54 GMT
Yeah he did only have 1 goal before tonight. Got a couple in preseason.
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Post by ashleyglitterbest on Nov 5, 2022 18:31:08 GMT
Maybe Hoppo’s gone to MK to get valuable ice time in preparation for GB u/20s
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