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Post by PantherG on Jul 28, 2021 18:25:20 GMT
With O’Connor on his way to Cardiff, Conway signing in Belfast and Perlini rumoured to be headed to Guildford, our Brit pack is looking a bit weaker than the other three big clubs…
Are we entering a period of building up our pack for success in the next few years; or do people think we still have the depth needed to challenge for a league title?
Thoughts?
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Post by wgray on Jul 28, 2021 20:19:17 GMT
It certainly seems like we’re giving the opportunity to our youthful Brits. Tetlow has come on leaps and bounds in the last year and he’ll be trusted as one of our regular d-men this season, we’ve also kept hold of Kelsall and let Lacho move on. This may have been cost motivated but I like the energy and bravery that Kelsall brings, plus we aren’t losing that much in terms of goals and assists. Kelsall needs to be given the chance to improve and progress, in the same way that Tetlow has.
Even though it looks like we’ve lost Perlini I still think we can challenge for the league title next season and it’s mainly due to the fact that the Brit roster numbers are so low. Most teams will have a Brit back up and then four Brit out skaters, in our case Tetlow and Lee will be slotting onto the third D pairing bringing physicality and reliability. Meanwhile Betteridge and Kelsall will likely be bottom 6 forwards, providing energy, physicality, killing penalties, any goals and assists they get are bonuses. In our case, our brits will be filling roles lower down the lines, but they are decent players and are capable of doing a decent job in these roles.
In my opinion for a team to win the league it needs to have balance, all roles need to be covered. Our brits bring certain qualities, we need to bring in imports that compliment them and fulfil other roles. As our squad stands right now I’d say there are some very obvious roles that need to be filled, hopefully Doucet brings in the right players.
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Post by iginla on Jul 28, 2021 21:41:11 GMT
In 2012/13 season the Brit pack was...
Clarke
Myers
Weaver
Lee
Levers
Lachowicz
Betteridge
Norton
Ward
Green
Gospel
Hovel
And look at it now....bloody shocking !!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 21:59:38 GMT
It certainly seems like we’re giving the opportunity to our youthful Brits. Tetlow has come on leaps and bounds in the last year and he’ll be trusted as one of our regular d-men this season, we’ve also kept hold of Kelsall and let Lacho move on. This may have been cost motivated but I like the energy and bravery that Kelsall brings, plus we aren’t losing that much in terms of goals and assists. Kelsall needs to be given the chance to improve and progress, in the same way that Tetlow has. Even though it looks like we’ve lost Perlini I still think we can challenge for the league title next season and it’s mainly due to the fact that the Brit roster numbers are so low. Most teams will have a Brit back up and then four Brit out skaters, in our case Tetlow and Lee will be slotting onto the third D pairing bringing physicality and reliability. Meanwhile Betteridge and Kelsall will likely be bottom 6 forwards, providing energy, physicality, killing penalties, any goals and assists they get are bonuses. In our case, our brits will be filling roles lower down the lines, but they are decent players and are capable of doing a decent job in these roles. In my opinion for a team to win the league it needs to have balance, all roles need to be covered. Our brits bring certain qualities, we need to bring in imports that compliment them and fulfil other roles. As our squad stands right now I’d say there are some very obvious roles that need to be filled, hopefully Doucet brings in the right players. Totally agree. I hope Tetlow carries on his form the world's into next season and Lee brings his physicality back too. We never replaced Clarkies 30 goal seasons and tbh it was always a near impossible task |
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Post by Pies on Jul 29, 2021 7:36:49 GMT
In 2012/13 season the Brit pack was... Clarke Myers Weaver Lee Levers Lachowicz Betteridge Norton Ward Green Gospel Hovel And look at it now....bloody shocking !! An every single one of them was given a chance as a young player to start with us and develop…so we’re doing it again…that’s how things happen in sport. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 8:02:45 GMT
In 2012/13 season the Brit pack was... Clarke Myers Weaver Lee Levers Lachowicz Betteridge Norton Ward Green Gospel Hovel And look at it now....bloody shocking !! An every single one of them was given a chance as a young player to start with us and develop…so we’re doing it again…that’s how things happen in sport. Can't come on here and talk sense mate |
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2021 8:33:05 GMT
In 2012/13 season the Brit pack was... Clarke Myers Weaver Lee Levers Lachowicz Betteridge Norton Ward Green Gospel Hovel And look at it now....bloody shocking !! An every single one of them was given a chance as a young player to start with us and develop…so we’re doing it again…that’s how things happen in sport. Apart from the best player on the list. Oh and the second best one too. Here’s to further success in about 2027 then ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 9:41:51 GMT
That's what the definition of rebuilding your Brit core is ! It takes time and years to bring though the next generation of decent Brit players !
Let's look back to 2003/4 when Clarke first signed!
Not many expected DC to turn out as good as he did .
Along with Clarke
Levers
Moran
Yardley
Cotton
Morgan
Awesome wasn't it! 🙄
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2021 9:58:44 GMT
That's what the definition of rebuilding your Brit core is ! It takes time and years to bring though the next generation of decent Brit players ! Let's look back to 2003/4 when Clarke first signed! Not many expected DC to turn out as good as he did . Along with Clarke Levers Moran Yardley Cotton Morgan Awesome wasn't it! 🙄 Totally different import dominated league back then as you well know. Who did Steelers have that year..... Lawrence,Farrand,Duncombe,Bliss,Lake. 🙄🙄 |
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Post by Yotes on Jul 29, 2021 9:58:47 GMT
All depends on the roster rules, if we are still playing 13+4+3 then we've clearly got holes.
If the rules have changed then perhaps we're fine? Would be nice to know.
I'd agree with Iggy that players like Clarke, Myers, Farmer, Lacho, perhaps now Perlini etc will have freed up a fair chunk of change from the wage budget. Can't say that seems to have appeared in the import budget in recent years though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 10:08:01 GMT
That's what the definition of rebuilding your Brit core is ! It takes time and years to bring though the next generation of decent Brit players ! Let's look back to 2003/4 when Clarke first signed! Not many expected DC to turn out as good as he did . Along with Clarke Levers Moran Yardley Cotton Morgan Awesome wasn't it! 🙄 Totally different import dominated league back then as you well know. Who did Steelers have that year..... Lawrence,Farrand,Duncombe,Bliss,Lake. 🙄🙄 But why would you spend x money on a Brit when you can bring in a import who's a lot better on the same wage.. perhaps why your mate Mr Fox got rid of BOC as he no longer has any upside but still commands silly money (for a Brit) To me Brits are never worth what they have earnt . Yes we need them but I'd never be held to ransom by one . I guess perlini wants a unrealistic wage then eh. If money motivates them then it's see ya later ! And having the most decent Brits isn't the difference between winning and losing the league.. because you end up signing cannon fodder imports who have no use whatsoever unless you choose to have a sky high budget |
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2021 13:59:09 GMT
Totally different import dominated league back then as you well know. Who did Steelers have that year..... Lawrence,Farrand,Duncombe,Bliss,Lake. 🙄🙄 But why would you spend x money on a Brit when you can bring in a import who's a lot better on the same wage.. perhaps why your mate Mr Fox got rid of BOC as he no longer has any upside but still commands silly money (for a Brit) To me Brits are never worth what they have earnt . Yes we need them but I'd never be held to ransom by one . I guess perlini wants a unrealistic wage then eh. If money motivates them then it's see ya later ! And having the most decent Brits isn't the difference between winning and losing the league.. because you end up signing cannon fodder imports who have no use whatsoever unless you choose to have a sky high budget I mostly agree and I wouldn’t waste daft money on poor Brits. Fox had exactly the right idea with O’Connor,i even said not long after Fox came into Sheffield that O’Connor wouldn’t last long when he found out what silly money he was on and it happened. O’Connor and Whistle both got told they had to take a pay cut and obviously wouldn’t hence they left Steelers. Where I do disagree with you is that you do need a decent Brit pack to win the league,has anybody ever won it without one. If they have I can’t think who. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 14:28:13 GMT
But why would you spend x money on a Brit when you can bring in a import who's a lot better on the same wage.. perhaps why your mate Mr Fox got rid of BOC as he no longer has any upside but still commands silly money (for a Brit) To me Brits are never worth what they have earnt . Yes we need them but I'd never be held to ransom by one . I guess perlini wants a unrealistic wage then eh. If money motivates them then it's see ya later ! And having the most decent Brits isn't the difference between winning and losing the league.. because you end up signing cannon fodder imports who have no use whatsoever unless you choose to have a sky high budget I mostly agree and I wouldn’t waste daft money on poor Brits. Fox had exactly the right idea with O’Connor,i even said not long after Fox came into Sheffield that O’Connor wouldn’t last long when he found out what silly money he was on and it happened. O’Connor and Whistle both got told they had to take a pay cut and obviously wouldn’t hence they left Steelers. Where I do disagree with you is that you do need a decent Brit pack to win the league,has anybody ever won it without one. If they have I can’t think who. When blaze cleaned up in 04/05 they only had Tait who was import quality at the time . |
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Post by bobness on Jul 29, 2021 15:16:40 GMT
Where I do disagree with you is that you do need a decent Brit pack to win the league,has anybody ever won it without one. But is that necessarily causal? (I agree it's almost certainly "factual".) Could you imagine a team with a great Brit pack winning the league with a bunch of first year pro imports? Most league winners won the league with the some of "best" imports as well as some decent Brits. Put the two together, and Robert's your maternal brother. See Cardiff lately. Also, Brits tend to stay put more (Shields, Dowd, Phillips(s), Myers, Clarke, Lacho etc) so longer term mini-dynasties can be built, as bigger teams hang on to Brit talent. Most GB internationals don't move clubs much, is that fair to say? |
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2021 15:49:37 GMT
I mostly agree and I wouldn’t waste daft money on poor Brits. Fox had exactly the right idea with O’Connor,i even said not long after Fox came into Sheffield that O’Connor wouldn’t last long when he found out what silly money he was on and it happened. O’Connor and Whistle both got told they had to take a pay cut and obviously wouldn’t hence they left Steelers. Where I do disagree with you is that you do need a decent Brit pack to win the league,has anybody ever won it without one. If they have I can’t think who. When blaze cleaned up in 04/05 they only had Tait who was import quality at the time . Yes mate but once again that was back in the days when there weren’t great Brit packs and imports massively dominated and we all know Thommo absolutely killed his imports. |
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2021 15:54:17 GMT
Where I do disagree with you is that you do need a decent Brit pack to win the league,has anybody ever won it without one. But is that necessarily causal? (I agree it's almost certainly "factual".) Could you imagine a team with a great Brit pack winning the league with a bunch of first year pro imports? Most league winners won the league with the some of "best" imports as well as some decent Brits. Put the two together, and Robert's your maternal brother. See Cardiff lately. Also, Brits tend to stay put more (Shields, Dowd, Phillips(s), Myers, Clarke, Lacho etc) so longer term mini-dynasties can be built, as bigger teams hang on to Brit talent. Most GB internationals don't move clubs much, is that fair to say? I do agree with you. Got to have both a good Brit pack and a half a dozen mid/top end imports to compete for the league title. |
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Post by bobness on Jul 29, 2021 16:54:33 GMT
Got to have both a good Brit pack and a half a dozen mid/top end imports to compete for the league title. It certainly helps, I'd say. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 18:15:03 GMT
Iginla who do you consider a good Brit back for the panthers ?
Names ?
Genuine question
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2021 19:23:47 GMT
Iginla who do you consider a good Brit back for the panthers ? Names ? Genuine question Depends what era you’re talking and how many you’re allowed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 19:31:10 GMT
Iginla who do you consider a good Brit back for the panthers ? Names ? Genuine question Depends what era you’re talking and how many you’re allowed. Present day.. which players would you like panthers to sign / retain |
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2021 20:04:05 GMT
Depends what era you’re talking and how many you’re allowed. Present day.. which players would you like panthers to sign / retain Bowns,Dowd,Ferrara,Myers,Betteridge,Perlini |
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Post by messier1851 on Jul 29, 2021 22:53:41 GMT
I know it's obviously carefully stage managed but on the Panthers Podcast a lot of the imports talk about the importance of the British boys helping them settle in when they first arrive.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the rules relaxed slightly on dual nationals, it seems unfair that guys who are part of the GB setup such as Mike Hammond, Dallas Earhardt etc count towards the import limit. This might also help you expand the talent pool at national level.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 6:24:35 GMT
Present day.. which players would you like panthers to sign / retain Bowns,Dowd,Ferrara,Myers,Betteridge,Perlini No chance! You're living in a dream world! After they've thrown money at Dowd and Bowns (and Ferrara won't be cheap) they will be signing alot out of college just to balance the books so we still won't have the depth to win a championship!! No eihl team can afford 5 Brits such as these it's that simple |
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Post by iginla on Jul 30, 2021 6:37:37 GMT
Bowns,Dowd,Ferrara,Myers,Betteridge,Perlini No chance! You're living in a dream world! After they've thrown money at Dowd and Bowns (and Ferrara won't be cheap) they will be signing alot out of college just to balance the books so we still won't have the depth to win a championship!! No eihl team can afford 5 Brits such as these it's that simple It’s that simple indeed,here you go... Whistle,O’Connor, Phillips,Dowd,Phillips ! Plus Kirk,Brown,Shudra and Day. |
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Post by bobness on Jul 30, 2021 6:57:49 GMT
Not sure I’d have Shudra…
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