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Post by spik on Apr 15, 2021 10:23:14 GMT
Game 17 of the series (Nottingham's 9th) Nottingham 4 Manchester 3 Win GRS eihlhq.co.uk/pdf/print/de-html/2354 (Note additional assist on goals 1,2 and 4 for Hook, Matheson and Boivin added after original GRS)
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Post by spik on Apr 15, 2021 10:23:27 GMT
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Post by spik on Apr 15, 2021 10:23:41 GMT
Game 22 of the series (Nottingham's 11th) Sheffield 4 Nottingham 5 (after ot) win GRS eihlhq.co.uk/pdf/print/de-html/2359 - Bowns in goal for 60.17, Ellis and Hook each added with one assist since original GRS
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Post by spik on Apr 15, 2021 10:24:04 GMT
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2021 8:35:22 GMT
Any interest in this? Attachments:
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 16, 2021 9:40:02 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Apr 16, 2021 10:14:57 GMT
What's Form Factor, Bob?
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2021 10:36:29 GMT
It's a mash up of a few things. Meant to show, if >0, that a team is "in form" and if <0, the opposite. It's not been >0 yet this season though. The "FORM" factor is made up of Average goal difference per game + Average points per home and away game minus 2.78 (2.78 is 0.696% hockey home and away = 2.78 pts per 2 games, which is the number that "won" the league last year) + Special teams factor-1 A very good form factor would be something positive, over 1, maybe. Now I've checked it, the maths is wrong on that last percentage, it should be -1.77! In this case -1 (conceding more goals than scoring) +1.34-2.78 (under "league winning" pace) +100.67-100 (special teams a bit better than neutral) =-1.77 The more I look at this, the less I like that last line... So if special teams % was +10% (20% PP, 90% PK say) that would make the whole things +8 ish? That's wrong, too much weight on that. Time for a rethink. Probably better as was. I'll weight that last line by 10% factor in future, that will make it "better".
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2021 10:39:14 GMT
Yes, it's pretty grim reading in general. If I may be allowed a small piece of positivity, Whistle is top of the NM stats, on GAA. And Boivin is on a 5 game point scoring streak. Cangelosi has the best face off % in the series. It's not much, but...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 16, 2021 12:01:08 GMT
Yes, it's pretty grim reading in general. If I may be allowed a small piece of positivity, Whistle is top of the NM stats, on GAA. And Boivin is on a 5 game point scoring streak. Cangelosi has the best face off % in the series. It's not much, but... Cangelosi is excellent and I have no idea (I said it at the time) why the clueless Wallace & Gromit didn't start Whistle last year. It was meant to be a building year and one of the top UK netminders spent most of it on the bench. I'm afraid that most of the horror stats can be dumped at the coaching feet as Fox, Finnerty and Stewart seemed to have put far better teams together that improve game on game.
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2021 13:02:53 GMT
I think a lot is to do with the quality of area of shots. Panthers so far. Other teams seem to be having far more shots from the slot. Panthers seem to be shooting from the blueline plenty? Attachments:
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 16, 2021 13:36:46 GMT
I think a lot is to do with the quality of area of shots. Panthers so far. Other teams seem to be having far more shots from the slot. Panthers seem to be shooting from the blueline plenty? Pathers have struggled to get shots on goal period. Like Rick says, get shots on goal and good things happen. Shooting from the blueline 5 on 5 often shows a lack of confidence I think.
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2021 14:29:57 GMT
Weirdly, comfortably outshooting their opponents in total (the dashboard needs updating, it's 211 vs 182) and handsomely in 3 games (+50 shots in those 3 games), but the 2 games Panthers have won saw them outshot by a combined 19. At times, Panthers have looked almost overcoached to the point of indecision.
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Post by spik on Apr 16, 2021 16:37:16 GMT
Weirdly, comfortably outshooting their opponents in total (the dashboard needs updating, it's 211 vs 182) and handsomely in 3 games (+50 shots in those 3 games), but the 2 games Panthers have won saw them outshot by a combined 19. At times, Panthers have looked almost overcoached to the point of indecision. How are they at ‘stats towers’ - Elite during this season Bob? All tallying ok from that SOG grid with the players own shots?
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2021 17:10:09 GMT
Weirdly, comfortably outshooting their opponents in total (the dashboard needs updating, it's 211 vs 182) and handsomely in 3 games (+50 shots in those 3 games), but the 2 games Panthers have won saw them outshot by a combined 19. At times, Panthers have looked almost overcoached to the point of indecision. How are they at ‘stats towers’ - Elite during this season Bob? All tallying ok from that SOG grid with the players own shots? Well, Dineen and Betteridge scored the other night despite not having a shot, which isn't overly helpful, and there was a shot missing in one game, but not tooooo bad overall. My two questions for the rule knowers are:- When there is a coincidental 2+2 like the other night, and the teams are 5v5 to start with, do they skate 5v5 after the penalties are called, or 4v4. I think it should be 5v5, given that minors should always cancel as much as possible if even handed to start with. And... Is a 2+2 penalty to one side, as happened vs Coventry, counted as one or two powerplays if "both" penalties are killed?
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Post by spik on Apr 16, 2021 22:28:29 GMT
How are they at ‘stats towers’ - Elite during this season Bob? All tallying ok from that SOG grid with the players own shots? Well, Dineen and Betteridge scored the other night despite not having a shot, which isn't overly helpful, and there was a shot missing in one game, but not tooooo bad overall. My two questions for the rule knowers are:- When there is a coincidental 2+2 like the other night, and the teams are 5v5 to start with, do they skate 5v5 after the penalties are called, or 4v4. I think it should be 5v5, given that minors should always cancel as much as possible if even handed to start with. And... Is a 2+2 penalty to one side, as happened vs Coventry, counted as one or two powerplays if "both" penalties are killed? ADD: Of Whistle's four games played on ice thus far, his last v Coventry on 14th April went into overtime for an extra 3 minutes and 14 seconds and is still on the GRS only stating for him as 60 minutes played but the net minders change column does say he DID come off by 63.14. So his total minutes in goal is wrong at 215 minutes , also because they don't round up to the correct figure with the seconds added. Whistle thus should read 219.14 in total. Are you going to tell them or me? Additional note...Net minder time post 60 minute game similar tonight 17/4/21 v Coventry …the 1 minute and 33 seconds NOT added to Bowns total.
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Post by bobness on Apr 18, 2021 14:38:02 GMT
Duly noted.
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Post by bobness on Apr 18, 2021 15:53:34 GMT
Anyone else noticed that the highlights of this game don't include Steelers' first goal?
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Post by spik on Apr 18, 2021 21:36:47 GMT
Anyone else noticed that the highlights of this game don't include Steelers' first goal? Yes, just another faux-pa on top of the stats.
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Post by spik on Apr 19, 2021 22:13:30 GMT
Update
Thus far after original GRS, their have been three occasions of change.
Game 2 Bowns time in goal changed from 60 to 58 minutes Game 8 additional assist given to Lachowicz on goal four Game 15 additional assist given to Cangelosi on goal four
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Post by bobness on Apr 21, 2021 13:34:34 GMT
3 assists given post game from the last game, Matheson, Boivin and Hook.
A statty nugget or two... 7 points from the last 4 games make Panthers the current form team in the competition. Cangelosi's face off % is a very impressive 60.8%, and Lacho has massively improved from last season to be over 50%. Team face off % in all games vs Coventry is 58.2%, but 48.9% vs Storm. Boivin is on an 8 game scoring streak, points in all games except game 1. Ollie has more powerplay goals in the Elite Series than all of last season. In period 1s, Panthers have outshot their opponents by 23 shots, but conceded 6 more goals. Incredibly, total shots in all periods so far are 103 taken, in all three periods, and 3 in OT, for 312 total. In all 4 games won, Panthers have conceded 37 more shots than they have taken. In the 5 games lost, Panthers have outshot their opponents by 73(!). Panthers last 15 PK chances have seen 5 PPGs allowed. 3 of 4 Panthers wins have been by one goal, the other by 2. Only 2 of 5 losses have been by the odd goal. Ellis has taken 15 blocked shots, 35 actual shots, but is yet to score a goal. When Panthers have scored first, they are 3 for 3 regulation wins. When winning after period 1, Panthers are 2 for 2 regulations wins. When losing after P1, they have 3 losses, an OTL and an OTW. Panthers have allowed 5 PPGs in their last 3 games. Tetlow has conceded a minor penalty in his last 5 straight games.
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Post by bobness on Apr 21, 2021 13:43:25 GMT
Post game 9 Attachments:
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Post by spik on Apr 24, 2021 20:52:01 GMT
Update
For the three games into OT for us. Our net minders played over the 60mins that are noted on the game sheets.
game 6 for us v Manchester - Whistle 63.14 game 8 for us v Coventry - Bowns 61.33 game 11 for us v Sheffield - Bowns 60.17
and GRS change in series game number 17 has three assists added. Goal 1 Hook Goal 2 Matheson Goal 4 Boivin
To add,...
For our three games that went into OT (as stated above), namely 14/4/21 v Manchester (Home), 17/4/21 v Coventry (Away) and 23/4/21 v Sheffield (Away) the GRS has not been altered correctly to show the final time in nets for Whisle 63.14, Bowns 61.33 and Bowns 60.17 - thus they still show as 60minutes. Though the final time in goalie changes highlights these correctly. The other game we played on 25/4/21 into OT DOES show the detail as 61.17 for Whistle v Coventry (Home).
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Post by spik on Apr 24, 2021 21:01:15 GMT
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Post by spik on Apr 24, 2021 21:02:22 GMT
SENI-FINAL 2
2nd leg 28th April
Nottingham 4 Coventry 1 WIN (won 6-1 on aggregate)
2nd leg 29th April
Sheffield 8 Manchester 3 (Sheffield win 13-7 on aggregate)
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