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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 23, 2019 21:31:27 GMT
Worth pointing out that Steelers only charge £5 for several midweek games. Could argue they are getting in people they might not have got, but at the same time that 26,000 tickets sold at 75% off. 9252 against MKL 4578 against Flyers 3659 against Stars 4331 against Flyers again 4702 against the Blaze Would less than 4000 fans at £5 have paid the rent for that game? Yes i know Kieran that’s why i mentioned freebies too. The normal ticket price isn’t £20 though is it,because you’ve got kids and concessions to account for. Around £13 is probably a fair average ticket price i would say spread across a normal crowd so at £5 it’s not 75% off. According to Steeltalk their crowd for the Cardiff game tonight is terrible. Mid week, not on the season ticket (If I remember correctly), not surprising.
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Post by iginla on Jan 23, 2019 21:37:22 GMT
Yes i know Kieran that’s why i mentioned freebies too. The normal ticket price isn’t £20 though is it,because you’ve got kids and concessions to account for. Around £13 is probably a fair average ticket price i would say spread across a normal crowd so at £5 it’s not 75% off. According to Steeltalk their crowd for the Cardiff game tonight is terrible. Mid week, not on the season ticket (If I remember correctly), not surprising. No the Steelers game tonight is a season ticket game......4174 is the official crowd figure given so not that bad.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 23, 2019 21:42:33 GMT
I'm sure there was rumours that Sheffield Arena was struggling for money so increased rent by quite a high amount. Then I'm sure there's been repairs or replacements to the ice plant as well. I'd imagine bringing O'Connor back has used up a decent chunk of the budget too. The running costs of the Sheffield Arena must be astronomical. It’s a huge old fashioned place that must eat money by the lorry load. That’s one of the reasons that it’s up for sale for redevelopment. Exactly, I'd imagine Smith is having to pay more than he should to ensure the Steelers can play there. Rivalry aside, I do hope the Steelers can find some long term sustainability in regards to the arena, there seems to be a growing sense of uncertainty each year and they would not survive in Ice Sheffield.
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Post by Mark on Jan 23, 2019 22:18:53 GMT
Did Neil Black say anything about signing a team worthy of the club’s support?
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Post by iginla on Jan 23, 2019 22:22:35 GMT
Did Neil Black say anything about signing a team worthy of the club’s support? No he just said our fans had been fantastic. He didn’t mention the weather in Bermuda either ! 😎
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Post by shinobi on Jan 23, 2019 22:28:37 GMT
Did Neil Black say anything about signing a team worthy of the club’s support? Stop whinging & get that Panthers beer drunk, buy your 50/50 tickets & clap the players off the ice. Oh, and Yorkshire pudding.
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Post by Mark on Jan 23, 2019 22:33:57 GMT
What Yorkshire pudding?
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Post by wasteoftime on Jan 24, 2019 8:15:56 GMT
The majority of fans know the problems, it isn't run as an ice hockey winning franchise, it's run to make money.Players talk, sign for Panthers, great digs, paid on time, just do enough and you wont get better anywhere. Welcome to Butlins.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 24, 2019 12:55:04 GMT
A lot of the reaction to this interview speaks volumes... The fanbase is largely clueless. Black saying we're all in this together holds about as much weight as Cameron's big society speech.
You are being farmed.
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Post by bobness on Jan 24, 2019 13:15:03 GMT
The majority of fans know the problems, it isn't run as an ice hockey winning franchise, it's run to make money.Players talk, sign for Panthers, great digs, paid on time, just do enough and you wont get better anywhere. Welcome to Butlins. And the stands are full. He's a good old businessman, Mr Black, and his managers. Imagine you run a cake shop. When you bought the shop, it was on its knees financially, and the queue of people wanting to buy it wasn't very long, shall we say. The shop was committed to moving to bigger premises, which comes with its own risks, and there was quite a bit of debt. You put your money where your mouth was and took the risk when no-one else would. There were a few lean years. 20 years on... You almost completely sell out of the cakes you bake most days, at the prices you want to charge. Revenue is close to being maximised. Your costs are so under control due to sound financial management that you make enough money selling cakes to be very happy with the profits the business as a whole makes. You're not the absolute best cake shop in the country, but win the odd national award (mainly on one off baking challenges) and even when the quality control dips a bit and you get some soggy cakes baked, people still buy them and still come back the next week. About 0.25% of your customer base like to whinge and moan on the internet a bit, but that's not a bad ratio. Your raw material supplier is good, and there's plenty of other suppliers available if they become unhappy, or you unhappy with them. Some of your customers are serious "cake people". Some aren't really "cake people" at all and don't care about the intricacies or subtleties of cake baking, they just like a bit of cake on a Saturday morning before their lunch. You're happy either way. Your business is strong and stable, and you've not gone into administration and been reborn like some other shops, nor have you disappeared completely. People sometimes ask why you don't spend more of your own money (and make less of a return on your business) trying to be the absolute best cake shop in the country, when you sell out of cakes most days anyway? You answer "It might be nice, but why should I...?" Like it or not, that's where Panthers are. Black is a businessman, he runs it like a business. And that's his right, because he owns it. He's got a great market to sell to in Nottingham, like it or not. Stay away if you like, it won't make much, if any, difference. OOAA.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Jan 24, 2019 13:31:29 GMT
The majority of fans know the problems, it isn't run as an ice hockey winning franchise, it's run to make money.Players talk, sign for Panthers, great digs, paid on time, just do enough and you wont get better anywhere. Welcome to Butlins. And the stands are full. He's a good old businessman, Mr Black, and his managers. Imagine you run a cake shop. When you bought the shop, it was on its knees financially, and the queue of people wanting to buy it wasn't very long, shall we say. The shop was committed to moving to bigger premises, which comes with its own risks, and there was quite a bit of debt. You put your money where your mouth was and took the risk when no-one else would. There were a few lean years. 20 years on... You almost completely sell out of the cakes you bake most days, at the prices you want to charge. Revenue is close to being maximised. Your costs are so under control due to sound financial management that you make enough money selling cakes to be very happy with the profits the business as a whole makes. You're not the absolute best cake shop in the country, but win the odd national award (mainly on one off baking challenges) and even when the quality control dips a bit and you get some soggy cakes baked, people still buy them and still come back the next week. About 0.25% of your customer base like to whinge and moan on the internet a bit, but that's not a bad ratio. Your raw material supplier is good, and there's plenty of other suppliers available if they become unhappy, or you unhappy with them. Some of your customers are serious "cake people". Some aren't really "cake people" at all and don't care about the intricacies or subtleties of cake baking, they just like a bit of cake on a Saturday morning before their lunch. You're happy either way. Your business is strong and stable, and you've not gone into administration and been reborn like some other shops, nor have you disappeared completely. People sometimes ask why you don't spend more of your own money (and make less of a return on your business) trying to be the absolute best cake shop in the country, when you sell out of cakes most days anyway? You answer "It might be nice, but why should I...?" Like it or not, that's where Panthers are. Black is a businessman, he runs it like a business. And that's his right, because he owns it. He's got a great market to sell to in Nottingham, like it or not. Stay away if you like, it won't make much, if any, difference. OOAA. There is also the part about using the money you've earned from the first cake to shop to fund the opening of a second cake shop.
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Post by LUFC on Jan 24, 2019 14:34:03 GMT
There is also the part about using the money you've earned from the first cake to shop to fund the opening of a second cake shop. The Clan last i heard are no longer in need of said funding. The London project however.....well i bet that's taking a penny or two away He made the right call in the sacking. He's said exactly what any good businessman would say in this interview. Not revealed anything new, just said what was needed and will now move on. I doubt he'll make Rick the perm head coach. No offence to Rick he's an alright coach but not a good head coach. He knows hockey but i don't think is a top leader. Anyway i have my doubts that he'll be made permanent even if we win a cup or two. My concern though is where do we go for a coach from here? A player like Lepine stepping up? Another coach brought in from abroad? One of the coaches that does the UK rounds? I just don't see anyone from the UK leagues that i would want atm. Money talks though, so the cheapest option will probably be what's chosen.
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Post by Caesar on Jan 24, 2019 16:00:22 GMT
This is superb, take a bow
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 16:30:53 GMT
Black talks of Rich reaching a target of 90 points as it's their top priority... well why was Neilson in a job for so many years ? Are we moving the goalposts from year to year ?
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2019 16:35:25 GMT
It’s a superb analogy yes.if you’re a businessman or like soggy cakes. But if you’re a fan who puts their heart and soul into their club it’s a load of pants !
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2019 16:37:02 GMT
Black talks of Rich reaching a target of 90 points as it's their top priority... well why was Neilson in a job for so many years ? Are we moving the goalposts from year to year ? That’s just what I thought Pidge. We’ve gone from multi multi chance Neilson to one chance Cherno. Black was happy for years with 4th or 5th and yet this year 3rd gets the sack because he wasn’t winning his target of the league title. That tells you that presumably the league title wasn’t the target when Corey was here eh ?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 24, 2019 16:57:53 GMT
Black talks of Rich reaching a target of 90 points as it's their top priority... well why was Neilson in a job for so many years ? Are we moving the goalposts from year to year ? That’s just what I thought Pidge. We’ve gone from multi multi chance Neilson to one chance Cherno. Black was happy for years with 4th or 5th and yet this year 3rd gets the sack because he wasn’t winning his target of the league title. That tells you that presumably the league title wasn’t the target when Corey was here eh ? Target under Neilson was trophies, by any means & raising the clubs profile in Europe in the latter years.
By most if not all accounts Corey smashed it.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 24, 2019 16:58:30 GMT
This is superb, take a bow It’s a superb analogy if you accept that the Nottingham Panthers is purely a money making machine. For me a sports club isn’t exactly the same as a cake making business and shouldn’t be treated as such. If you stop making decent cakes people can buy a decent cake from loads of places. You can’t just change your sports team or stop caring.
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2019 17:06:13 GMT
It’s a superb analogy if you accept that the Nottingham Panthers is purely a money making machine. For me a sports club isn’t exactly the same as a cake making business and shouldn’t be treated as such. If you stop making decent cakes people can buy a decent cake from loads of places. You can’t just change your sports team or stop caring. Spot on Rob. There are alternative cake shops. Wonder what would happen if there was another ice hockey team founded in Nottingham that had say Cardiff’s business model ? Black knows there isn’t and that’s why he takes the pee.
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2019 17:10:12 GMT
That’s just what I thought Pidge. We’ve gone from multi multi chance Neilson to one chance Cherno. Black was happy for years with 4th or 5th and yet this year 3rd gets the sack because he wasn’t winning his target of the league title. That tells you that presumably the league title wasn’t the target when Corey was here eh ? Target under Neilson was trophies, by any means & raising the clubs profile in Europe in the latter years.
By most if not all accounts Corey smashed it.
Oh I know full well Corey was told “win a trophy any trophy”, so we won the easy one the Conti cup. Then we sat back immediately and the rest of that season was a complete disaster.
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Post by bobness on Jan 24, 2019 17:12:43 GMT
You can’t just change your sports team or stop caring. And yet quite a few on here have said lately that they're past caring... Don't get too hung up on the analogy, it wasn't meant to be literal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 17:20:22 GMT
Target under Neilson was trophies, by any means & raising the clubs profile in Europe in the latter years.
By most if not all accounts Corey smashed it.
Oh I know full well Corey was told “win a trophy any trophy”, so we won the easy one the Conti cup. Then we sat back immediately and the rest of that season was a complete disaster. The Continental Cup was hardly easy, three away legs in order to win the trophy? Belfast have just had two rounds, both at home, and failed to win so I don't see how anyone can say that it was easy. I feel the terrible performance domestically that season (sound familiar?) may have taken away from from the achievement of winning the Continental Cup but it should be remembered as a fantastic triumph that has yet to be emulated by anyone else in the EIHL.
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2019 17:25:38 GMT
Oh I know full well Corey was told “win a trophy any trophy”, so we won the easy one the Conti cup. Then we sat back immediately and the rest of that season was a complete disaster. The Continental Cup was hardly easy, three away legs in order to win the trophy? Belfast have just had two rounds, both at home, and failed to win so I don't see how anyone can say that it was easy. I feel the terrible performance domestically that season (sound familiar?) may have taken away from from the achievement of winning the Continental Cup but it should be remembered as a fantastic triumph that has yet to be emulated by anyone else in the EIHL. Ask Mikka and a couple of our coaches from that year what they thought. Mikka was even quoted in print as saying it was no big deal if you care to find the article.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 17:30:35 GMT
The Continental Cup was hardly easy, three away legs in order to win the trophy? Belfast have just had two rounds, both at home, and failed to win so I don't see how anyone can say that it was easy. I feel the terrible performance domestically that season (sound familiar?) may have taken away from from the achievement of winning the Continental Cup but it should be remembered as a fantastic triumph that has yet to be emulated by anyone else in the EIHL. Ask Mikka and a couple of our coaches from that year what they thought. Mikka was even quoted in print as saying it was no big deal if you care to find the article. I was speaking to David Clarke last week in Estonia about Belfast not winning it which then led us on to talking about Panthers winning it. His thoughts were pretty much along the same lines as mine, feeling we never really got the credit for it that we probably should have. He was also assistant coach that season I believe.
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Post by bobness on Jan 24, 2019 17:58:28 GMT
It’s a superb analogy yes.if you’re a businessman or like soggy cakes. But if you’re a fan who puts their heart and soul into their club it’s a load of pants ! But you can't be speaking for yourself, because you hardly attend matches anymore? That's hardly "heart and soul" stuff? And before you say, it's not "heart and soul" for me either these days. I go when I can because I love watching hockey. Feel a bit miffed when Panthers lose/play like a bunch of people who've never met, but it's not the be all and end all.
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