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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 3, 2018 13:21:04 GMT
Oh it's definitely jobs for the boys, without a doubt. The job title is miss-leading though. He has a manufactured position. Well he was in charge of opening the bench door previously... That & Official GMB Panthers Clipboard Holder, yes.
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 3, 2018 16:01:31 GMT
That & Official GMB Panthers Clipboard Holder, yes. Official model for Nottingham Panthers' line of baseball caps too.
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Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 3, 2018 16:17:42 GMT
You see, he's got a lot to do for the club. We should cut him some slack.
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Post by endisforever91 on Sept 4, 2018 15:25:20 GMT
As an outsider looking in, I'm not sure I understand the hostility. Playing ability and coaching ability are two different things. He might be a terrible coach, he might be an exceptional coach. Anyway, just for comparison... here are links with the playing records of Green and another former Panthers goalie who has progressed to coaching. www.eliteprospects.com/player/109391/peter-russellwww.eliteprospects.com/player/18154/dan-greenRussell might not be your cup of tea, but he's just coached GB into the world group, and looking at those two records I'd say Green is the much better keeper.
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Post by Walitzer on Sept 4, 2018 16:05:25 GMT
As an outsider looking in, I'm not sure I understand the hostility. Playing ability and coaching ability are two different things. He might be a terrible coach, he might be an exceptional coach. I'd say its safe bet to assume that the vast majority of fans want to move away from the dark ages of British Ice Hockey. Shady antics and dodgy business practises with unsavoury characters. There is an obvious desire for a more professional, transparent league that will be respected internationally. Whether or not Dan Green's appointment was egregious nepotism, the average fan will likely never know. However the perception is there and it looks like a step back for the general direction of the club and league. The responce is understandable.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Sept 4, 2018 17:27:29 GMT
As an outsider looking in, I'm not sure I understand the hostility. Playing ability and coaching ability are two different things. He might be a terrible coach, he might be an exceptional coach. Anyway, just for comparison... here are links with the playing records of Green and another former Panthers goalie who has progressed to coaching. www.eliteprospects.com/player/109391/peter-russellwww.eliteprospects.com/player/18154/dan-greenRussell might not be your cup of tea, but he's just coached GB into the world group, and looking at those two records I'd say Green is the much better keeper. I dont remember exactly but did Russell play for Panthers at Ayr, as we didnt have a backup available, then had to come into the game. He wasn't actually a Panthers player.
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Post by spik on Sept 4, 2018 17:41:18 GMT
As an outsider looking in, I'm not sure I understand the hostility. Playing ability and coaching ability are two different things. He might be a terrible coach, he might be an exceptional coach. Anyway, just for comparison... here are links with the playing records of Green and another former Panthers goalie who has progressed to coaching. www.eliteprospects.com/player/109391/peter-russellwww.eliteprospects.com/player/18154/dan-greenRussell might not be your cup of tea, but he's just coached GB into the world group, and looking at those two records I'd say Green is the much better keeper. I dont remember exactly but did Russell play for Panthers at Ayr, as we didnt have a backup available, then had to come into the game. He wasn't actually a Panthers player. RUSSELL 97-98, 13 mins in one game with 11 SOG for 3 goals....gaa 13.8 / 72.73 ave
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Randall Weber
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Post by shinobi on Sept 4, 2018 17:58:31 GMT
As an outsider looking in, I'm not sure I understand the hostility. Playing ability and coaching ability are two different things. He might be a terrible coach, he might be an exceptional coach. Anyway, just for comparison... here are links with the playing records of Green and another former Panthers goalie who has progressed to coaching. www.eliteprospects.com/player/109391/peter-russellwww.eliteprospects.com/player/18154/dan-greenRussell might not be your cup of tea, but he's just coached GB into the world group, and looking at those two records I'd say Green is the much better keeper. Any hostility, your terminology, not mine, isn’t reference his playing days; personally, I found him to be a perfectly serviceable back up goalie when he joined from Sheffield. When Panthers went with Wiikman, Pacl & Green however, it was more than evident that it was time to hang up the pads. Again personally, that doesn’t really irk me, but what does cause some annoyance, is the players pod cast that he & Oakford served up last season; that what Tootoo is referring too in his post.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Sept 5, 2018 12:11:05 GMT
I dont remember exactly but did Russell play for Panthers at Ayr, as we didnt have a backup available, then had to come into the game. He wasn't actually a Panthers player. RUSSELL 97-98, 13 mins in one game with 11 SOG for 3 goals....gaa 13.8 / 72.73 ave I did look in your book but he wasn't mentioned. But I'm sure he came in at the back end of a game cos we didn't travel with a back-up.
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Post by texpef on Sept 5, 2018 12:36:55 GMT
As an outsider looking in, I'm not sure I understand the hostility. Playing ability and coaching ability are two different things. He might be a terrible coach, he might be an exceptional coach. Anyway, just for comparison... here are links with the playing records of Green and another former Panthers goalie who has progressed to coaching. www.eliteprospects.com/player/109391/peter-russellwww.eliteprospects.com/player/18154/dan-greenRussell might not be your cup of tea, but he's just coached GB into the world group, and looking at those two records I'd say Green is the much better keeper. Any hostility, your terminology, not mine, isn’t reference his playing days; personally, I found him to be a perfectly serviceable back up goalie when he joined from Sheffield. When Panthers went with Wiikman, Pacl & Green however, it was more than evident that it was time to hang up the pads. Again personally, that doesn’t really irk me, but what does cause some annoyance, is the players pod cast that he & Oakford served up last season; that what Tootoo is referring too in his post. What bothers me is the two plus two scenario of jobs for who you are rather than what you are skilled/qualified at.. No-one has ever seen the job he is allegedly employed in being advertised anywhere (unlike the panthers coach's job) and the fact he is related to a senior manager in the NIC it all stinks of nepotism even if he is more than capable of doing the job which to be honest I don't know either way. If there had been a job advertised and interviews and then a successful candidate announced I'm pretty sure myself along with the majority of the fanbase wouldn't have a leg to stand on as all would be transparent and above board but this stinks of jobs for family...
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Post by GuinnessMan on Sept 5, 2018 13:10:12 GMT
I don't really don't get all the angst over this. Sometimes within my workplace management identify a need for someone to do particular activity, which isn't a full or possibly even part-time role in its own right (it might only be a few hours a week), then they look within the personnel available to them and see if they can work something out. DGs role growth is not necessarily anything to do with who he knows, it simply could be that he has been identified as the best person . skills and time-wise, to take on the new activities without taking in extra employees/overheads.
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Randall Weber
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Post by shinobi on Sept 5, 2018 13:42:39 GMT
I don't really don't get all the angst over this. Sometimes within my workplace management identify a need for someone to do particular activity, which isn't a full or possibly even part-time role in its own right (it might only be a few hours a week), then they look within the personnel available to them and see if they can work something out. DGs role growth is not necessarily anything to do with who he knows, it simply could be that he has been identified as the best person . skills and time-wise, to take on the new activities without taking in extra employees/overheads. No angst from me reference his appointment; don’t care. In my profession, it’s often a case of “who you know” when it comes to courses and secondments.
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Post by texpef on Sept 5, 2018 14:16:41 GMT
I don't really don't get all the angst over this. Sometimes within my workplace management identify a need for someone to do particular activity, which isn't a full or possibly even part-time role in its own right (it might only be a few hours a week), then they look within the personnel available to them and see if they can work something out. DGs role growth is not necessarily anything to do with who he knows, it simply could be that he has been identified as the best person . skills and time-wise, to take on the new activities without taking in extra employees/overheads. No angst from me reference his appointment; don’t care. In my profession, it’s often a case of “who you know” when it comes to courses and secondments. And in no job or environment is this ever right though no matter how much the "norm" it is... and its why a lot don't believe we have a fair and equal society..
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Post by shinobi on Sept 5, 2018 14:58:39 GMT
No angst from me reference his appointment; don’t care. In my profession, it’s often a case of “who you know” when it comes to courses and secondments. And in no job or environment is this ever right though no matter how much the "norm" it is... and its why a lot don't believe we have a fair and equal society.. I whole heartedly agree that Society isn’t fair nor equal.
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