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Post by mattscold on Mar 9, 2007 19:14:35 GMT
Is it not time this thread was put to bed? we all know that the players will play and thats that its all getting a bit boring if you ask me!?
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Post by KIGOIUK on Mar 9, 2007 19:21:33 GMT
The IIHF have ruled in our favour and deemed that the players are ours, free of any 'fees'. So it would seem that they have concluded that the fee that was demanded was not reasonable. I am also hearing that Steelers involved the league at the earliest possible juncture, once it was aparent that there would be a problem, having done all they could. The paperwork was complete and in order, they were querying the legitimacy of the 'fee'. I have also heard that we were 'instructed' not to pay any fee, at which point the league took responsibility for the situation and imediately contacted the IIHF. Why would our league have to get involved with Sheffields problem with the italian Club wanting a release Fee . It is up to sheffield to follow the complaint through the IIHF . This is an international Club matter not our leagues job to step in on Sheffields behalf . It is very plain to all that these two players where not cleared by their Club or the IIHF to play for Sheffield at the TIME that Sheffield wanted them registerd to play . Sheffields Problem not our League's..... or any other club in the League's Problem.... just plain and simple . SHEFFIELDS PROBLEM . Players now can only play in 5 LEAGUE Games , rule states 6 , so they cannot play in the playoffs . END OF STORY .
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Post by Nemesis on Mar 9, 2007 19:25:55 GMT
The IIHF have ruled in our favour and deemed that the players are ours, free of any 'fees'. So it would seem that they have concluded that the fee that was demanded was not reasonable. I am also hearing that Steelers involved the league at the earliest possible juncture, once it was aparent that there would be a problem, having done all they could. The paperwork was complete and in order, they were querying the legitimacy of the 'fee'. I have also heard that we were 'instructed' not to pay any fee, at which point the league took responsibility for the situation and imediately contacted the IIHF. Why would our league have to get involved with Sheffields problem with the italian Club wanting a release Fee . It is up to sheffield to follow the complaint through the IIHF . This is an international Club matter not our leagues job to step in on Sheffields behalf . It is very plain to all that these two players where not cleared by their Club or the IIHF to play for Sheffield at the TIME that Sheffield wanted them registerd to play . Sheffields Problem not our League's..... or any other club in the League's Problem.... just plain and simple . SHEFFIELDS PROBLEM . Players now can only play in 5 LEAGUE Games , rule states 6 , so they cannot play in the playoffs . END OF STORY . So wrong, on so many counts, have you not been following the story at all? Even the Elite web site has stated the the league became involved form a very early stage, and then took up the complaint with the IIHF, Steelers having done all they could. The rules also state a player can only be registered twice in one year.......
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Post by KIGOIUK on Mar 9, 2007 19:48:12 GMT
The statement was Why would they have to get involved , I did not say they did not get involved .
And boring as it is ME was cleared before panthers played in the CC to play , without it counting towards his 2 registrations , this was clarified before the event not after by the League .
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Post by Doom on Mar 9, 2007 19:49:22 GMT
Why would our league have to get involved with Sheffields problem with the italian Club wanting a release Fee . It is up to sheffield to follow the complaint through the IIHF . This is an international Club matter not our leagues job to step in on Sheffields behalf . It is very plain to all that these two players where not cleared by their Club or the IIHF to play for Sheffield at the TIME that Sheffield wanted them registerd to play . Sheffields Problem not our League's..... or any other club in the League's Problem.... just plain and simple . SHEFFIELDS PROBLEM . Players now can only play in 5 LEAGUE Games , rule states 6 , so they cannot play in the playoffs . END OF STORY . Well if it's that clear cut then I guess they won't be allowed to play in the play-offs.....we shall see Regards Doom
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Post by Mark on Mar 9, 2007 20:04:19 GMT
Ah well, another to add to the list of cheats and underhand dealings concerning Sheffield Steelers.
Nemesis, if you're so sure about all these, "it seems" and "am also hearing", why don't you name names? Otherwise it carries no weight at all. Who did you hear these things from?
If these rumours are true and said players are allowed to play, then well done Elite League. Can of worms well and truely opened.
PS,
I'm off to get myself a job as writer in a hockey magazine, then I can bleat about the above situation week in, week out while masquerading as an author of a hockey column.
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Post by mattscold on Mar 9, 2007 20:19:20 GMT
I'm off to get myself a job as writer in a hockey magazine, then I can bleat about the above situation week in, week out while masquerading as an author of a hockey column. Good luck mate but there will only ever be one DS the BS (thank christ!)
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Post by Nemesis on Mar 9, 2007 20:27:47 GMT
Mark, I agree. Players will expect to be able to register and de-register willy-nilly form now on on account of the rule being relaxed once already. As for naming sources, you know as well as I do mate that aint gonna happen. I have a couple of people I phone and talk too about this and that, they would soon stop reponding to my calls if they knew their names were going to be plastered over internet forums. Why can some of you not grasp this simple premise. You were asked to do something and given assurances about the consequences. We were asked not to do something and given assurances about the consequences. I'm afraid I just can't see the difference. 'Cheating' ? Fine, if that's what you want, in that case you cheated!. We have both been told exceptions can be made due to circumstance, so we are both cheating then yes? I do though accept the point made above about this being a Panthers forum and so, rightly, has a Panthers bias. Were I to post a thread on ours about the ME situation, what do you think the concensus of opinion would be? I would wager we could simply 'cut and paste' this entire thread, change a couple of names, and voila! And you can post all you like about 'ah but we.....' the simple fact is, like it or not, everything you think about us, there are them of ours who think the same of you. I'm gonna become a mind reader here for a minute. Bet I can guess what at least one of the next replies will be!
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Post by Doom on Mar 9, 2007 20:34:14 GMT
Ah well, another to add to the list of cheats and underhand dealings concerning Sheffield Steelers. It's only 'cheating' if it isn't sanctioned by the people who make the rules (the league). If we do play these two guys without the blessing of the league, then I guess our game will be forfeit and we won't be at the play-off weekend. Seems fairly straightforward to me. Regards Doom
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Post by Mark on Mar 9, 2007 20:50:34 GMT
Problem for me is Doom, anything the league says is worthless. I value my and many others opinions over anything that bunch of spin doctors say.
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Post by Nemesis on Mar 9, 2007 20:56:08 GMT
Problem for me is Doom, anything the league says is worthless. I value my and many others opinions over anything that bunch of spin doctors say. You certainly can't be faulted for that Mark. It is a view many share. It is something the league should be working night and day to recover, can't see it though. A shake up from top to bottom. League Owner influence Independance Officials RULES PR Governance Marketing Transparency Structure The list goes on.... I do not for one minute doubt that Eamon and Andy work their balls of in persuit of what they believe to be right, the problem for most, I believe, is that hard work put in to something with little to no perceived credibility, is just wasted time.
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Post by loveday on Mar 9, 2007 21:02:16 GMT
The Steelers Web Page says:-
I assume from this statement that their ITC Cards are being released, but does it mean that the Elite still has to decide if they can play in the 'Play Off's ' as it only mentions 'this weekend'
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Post by texpef on Mar 9, 2007 22:22:42 GMT
this has all got stupid now. It seems a "sheffield viewpoint" that ME cheated whilst playing yet the panthers clearly got clearance PRIOR to his icing and hence the reason that it was overturned. Now IF sheffield fans wish to see this as cheating then so be it, no other clubs has come close to even approaching that position but hey ho good luck to them.
Now our italian two, well again as stated if the six game rule applies then it is clear that both will fall short and hence should not play IF THE RULES ARE STRICKLY ADHERED TO which is a stance we have seen from sheffield fans and management.
Now we are told from a sheffield fan (and hence a sheffield bias) that they were given permission PRIOR to signing these two that they would be allowed to waver any rules. How the hell did they know they would have trouble as it is stated it was a last minute addition to their contract. It was also stated that said players had signed TWO weeks earlier and that sheffield took a "gamble" that both would not be involved in the italian playoffs, oh and not forgetting that vez's clob only got knocked out of said playoffs on the wednesday of the week they played panthers on the friday..... some slipping with dates i think here.....
If they got the "nod" from the league late last week then it implies to me that the bung was added after contracts had been signed so surely this is solely a steelers problem with players not a league issue, although i can understand it suits steelers fans to think it a league problem as this is the only way they can circumvent (re: cheat) the rules as they stand.
Nem/doom i understand you want the best for your club but please dont try to pull such as fast one as to tell me its best for me too as i am too old in the teeth to buy it...
ME and the italian two are TWO separate issues to try to group them together as rule bending/cheating is a poor excuse to make one excusable so should the other and this is not the case at all.
Oh and i do not have a chip...get over it.
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Post by texpef on Mar 9, 2007 22:27:54 GMT
oh and loveday it says nothing about playing past the end of the season....just that the steelers (tight as they are now) have not had to pay any additional levy (re:bung) other than what has been agreed and that they can now play as steelers players....
It has very conveniently not mentioned anything about fiddling rules on whether a minimum games played will be enforced (on steelers website or the EIHL one) so i suspect it will just be allowed to carry on and just ignored till all over.....
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Post by spik on Mar 9, 2007 23:45:20 GMT
I assume then that the IIHF have told the Italians to forward the paperwork? Because I assume the players can't play until it arrives?
Just waiting for Trevor Gallants suspention or injury now to cockerel it all up.
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Post by Luca Toni on Mar 10, 2007 8:32:12 GMT
Translation for those who don't understand South Yorkshire doublespeak: "I could see I was losing the argument so I changed tack." And why not. No one has yet explained in this thread why the circumstances quoted need happen to anyone else at all (whether payment is/was made or not). As was said above by a number of sensible Panthers fans, if it ever did happen again simply don't pay. Simple enough you'd think. So why were Sheffield folk ever saying we have to let these two guys play FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL? I believe the Latin for this is "non sequitur". So by that I take it that you now believe that you are still right, and everyone up to and including the IIHF are wrong? Going on the fact the the IIHF have backed Steelers/EIHL stance on the matter. Did you read the post you replied to Nemesis or just blatantly carry on with a different point for no reason? I'm asking why the argument was that these guys should play for the benefit of all of us. Clearly you either have no answer for that (or none that you've posted) or you'd rather rattle on that the IIHF think you are blameless. As far as I'm aware the IIHF have not ruled that these guys should play for the benefit of British hockey in general. Nor would they because that argument is so bogus I'm amazed anyone ever made it.
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Post by Luca Toni on Mar 10, 2007 8:34:42 GMT
Ah well, another to add to the list of cheats and underhand dealings concerning Sheffield Steelers. It's only 'cheating' if it isn't sanctioned by the people who make the rules (the league). If we do play these two guys without the blessing of the league, then I guess our game will be forfeit and we won't be at the play-off weekend. Seems fairly straightforward to me. Regards Doom Leagues can also cheat (as in fiddle the rules) Doom.
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Post by Doom on Mar 10, 2007 9:18:24 GMT
It's only 'cheating' if it isn't sanctioned by the people who make the rules (the league). If we do play these two guys without the blessing of the league, then I guess our game will be forfeit and we won't be at the play-off weekend. Seems fairly straightforward to me. Regards Doom Leagues can also cheat (as in fiddle the rules) Doom. But you're part of the league, so you're cheating as well Regards Doom
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Post by spik on Mar 10, 2007 11:18:02 GMT
tex.....you have a valid set of points there mate.
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Post by Rob #12 on Mar 10, 2007 13:03:00 GMT
Just waiting for Trevor Gallants suspention or injury now to cockerel it all up. Talk about temping bad karma!
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Post by spik on Mar 10, 2007 14:05:17 GMT
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