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Post by sevcik on May 20, 2018 19:02:53 GMT
Will not be joining the EIHL in time for next season due to long term doubts over the future of an ice rink in the city. This is no surprise to me to he honest. They have said though that if the new rink is confirmed and with enough seats that they hope to step up in time for the 19/20... If there is still a place open for them Attachments:
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Post by Bagheera on May 20, 2018 19:56:03 GMT
Well that leaves the league in a bit of a mess. I'll stear clear of the ideals we would like in terms od extended play offs as I just dont see it happening.
Unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat 11 teams means only a straight league is possible. That will instantly upset a number of clubs(if not all).
Then I don't see any club being happy between a choice of 40 league games or 60.
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Post by iginla on May 20, 2018 20:16:42 GMT
Well that leaves the league in a bit of a mess. I'll stear clear of the ideals we would like in terms od extended play offs as I just dont see it happening. Unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat 11 teams means only a straight league is possible. That will instantly upset a number of clubs(if not all). Then I don't see any club being happy between a choice of 40 league games or 60. Good I hope we go with an 11 team league. Then 60 league games and could dump the Challenge cup or 40 games and extend the play offs. |
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Post by Phil Mitchell on May 20, 2018 20:48:50 GMT
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Post by Yotes on May 21, 2018 10:37:05 GMT
A shame but at least they seem to be taking sensible precaution and not rushing in.
Agree with Bagheera that this leaves the league in a bit of a spot, a lot of us have paid for a 56 game season already.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 11:11:02 GMT
Well that leaves the league in a bit of a mess. I'll stear clear of the ideals we would like in terms od extended play offs as I just dont see it happening. Unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat 11 teams means only a straight league is possible. That will instantly upset a number of clubs(if not all). Then I don't see any club being happy between a choice of 40 league games or 60. Good I hope we go with an 11 team league. Then 60 league games and could dump the Challenge cup or 40 games and extend the play offs. Lets walk before we can run. The Challenge Cup is a money earner for the weaker teams and the playoffs won't be extended any time soon due to teams not owning their arenas. The arena would not turn away Ed Sheeran for the possibility that Panthers MIGHT need the ice for a game against Fife. Everyone would love it if it could happen, but it's unlikely anytime soon. |
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Post by GuinnessMan on May 21, 2018 11:11:52 GMT
If the Gardner conference consisted of just stars/fife/clan they would need to play each other 6 times home And 6 times away to get the 24 conference games that the other conf team get playing each other 4x home + 4x away.
Not great but the numbers add up.
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Post by Yotes on May 21, 2018 11:25:36 GMT
The cross-conference games wouldn't add up though. We need 16 (I think) games against that conference in the current set up, we'd have to play odd amounts against each.
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Post by spik on May 21, 2018 11:34:29 GMT
The cross-conference games wouldn't add up though. We need 16 (I think) games against that conference in the current set up, we'd have to play odd amounts against each. Which makes the situation worse than what we had. Too much uneven play between teams as it is. 40 games in the league which is fine. A Cup and PO to re-arrange.Job done. |
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Post by Yotes on May 21, 2018 11:41:25 GMT
League games are guaranteed games, cup and playoff games, by their nature, are not. The clubs need to know they have so many guaranteed game nights a year. There's very little chance it'll drop to 40, and I don't ever need to sit through a 16 game Challenge Cup first round.
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Post by GuinnessMan on May 21, 2018 12:14:51 GMT
The cross-conference games wouldn't add up though. We need 16 (I think) games against that conference in the current set up, we'd have to play odd amounts against each. You are right. Gardner teams would end up playing 8 cross conference teams =32games v patton and erhardt playing 7 cross conference teams = 28games. This could be negated if a patton teams plays two erhardt team an extra once home and away.. or even potentially all 4 different cross conference teams for 2home and 2away... time for the m+s carrier bag to make a reappearance! |
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Post by wgray on May 21, 2018 12:20:55 GMT
Does this strengthen the Murrayfield Racers case then?
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Post by wannabe2 on May 21, 2018 13:58:52 GMT
Does this strengthen the Murrayfield Racers case then? Not really as the season after, there would still be a imbalance if Hull come into the league. |
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Post by wgray on May 21, 2018 15:41:22 GMT
Does this strengthen the Murrayfield Racers case then? Not really as the season after, there would still be a imbalance if Hull come into the league. Maybe, it’s going to be interesting to see what happens. |
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Post by PantherB on May 21, 2018 17:20:16 GMT
Caps or 11 team league for the upcoming season is my guess.
Can't do a Storm type thing where Planet Ice stick a team in the League for a year or two before selling, non of the current Planet Ice facilities are up to any form of decent standard. Hull have said no obviously, London isn't on the cards still.
I feel the league will be pressuring Murrayfield ice rink to give Caps one more shot, but with the league overseeing more in how they're run and how the deal goes between the team and rink. If that fails then 11 team league.
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Post by Bagheera on May 21, 2018 18:10:40 GMT
League games are guaranteed games, cup and playoff games, by their nature, are not. The clubs need to know they have so many guaranteed game nights a year. There's very little chance it'll drop to 40, and I don't ever need to sit through a 16 game Challenge Cup first round. Perhaps they would have to go with a 40 game season and extending the play offs. Play off format going back to how it used to be with 2 groups of 4. But playing each other twice home, twice away. That'll add 10 games to the current play off last 8 stage. That would at least total 52 games. Only 4 short of the current league + Play Off QF. Of course that only helps the teams that finish inside the top 8. I think we will see some weird set up where you don't neceseraly play the same teams the same amount of times home and away. Or a 60 game league campaign and a return to CC games being doubled up. Of course 11 teams throws the CC format completly out of the water too. Try dividing the 11 up in a fair way for a short format competition! Bring back the Caps(Can't believe i'm saying that)!! |
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Post by pantherlee on May 21, 2018 18:13:18 GMT
Is the Elite League board meeting tomorrow? I might have got the date wrong but i'd expect some kind of decision to be made then
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Post by iginla on May 21, 2018 19:12:24 GMT
Is the Elite League board meeting tomorrow? I might have got the date wrong but i'd expect some kind of decision to be made then Apparently to be decided tomorrow yes. Jeez I can’t wait to see what kind of balls up the EIHL make of this. Perhaps they will start with an 11 team league,see how it goes, then if they don’t like the way it’s going change the rules again in February ! 🙄😂 |
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Post by GuinnessMan on May 21, 2018 20:08:20 GMT
Is the Elite League board meeting tomorrow? I might have got the date wrong but i'd expect some kind of decision to be made then Apparently to be decided tomorrow yes. Jeez I can’t wait to see what kind of balls up the EIHL make of this. Perhaps they will start with an 11 team league,see how it goes, then if they don’t like the way it’s going change the rules again in February ! 🙄😂 Will all outcomes be a balls up, or are there outcomes where you could say 'well done eihl' ? |
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Post by iginla on May 21, 2018 20:30:08 GMT
Apparently to be decided tomorrow yes. Jeez I can’t wait to see what kind of balls up the EIHL make of this. Perhaps they will start with an 11 team league,see how it goes, then if they don’t like the way it’s going change the rules again in February ! 🙄😂 Will all outcomes be a balls up, or are there outcomes where you could say 'well done eihl' ? An 11 team equal league with a 40 game season and extend the play offs would be my choice. But the EIHL is a league which panders to little teams who will whinge they can’t afford to do that so it won’t happen ! Or they could go with a 60 game season and give the fans 3 free home games. It’s only 6 more league games than last year. |
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Post by wgray on May 21, 2018 23:42:05 GMT
Will all outcomes be a balls up, or are there outcomes where you could say 'well done eihl' ? An 11 team equal league with a 40 game season and extend the play offs would be my choice. But the EIHL is a league which panders to little teams who will whinge they can’t afford to do that so it won’t happen ! Or they could go with a 60 game season and give the fans 3 free home games. It’s only 6 more league games than last year. Until the majority of teams in the league play out of arenas the smaller teams will always have the upper hand, it’s holding the league back in reality but for the time being we need them, so they have more influence in EIHL decisions. |
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Post by cjones on May 22, 2018 5:53:04 GMT
How about 3 conferences
52 game season (would lose 2 home games so may need to revamp the cup)
Erhardht & Patton
Own conference 4H & 4A = 24 games
Other conferences 2H & 2A = 28 games
Gardiner
Own conference 5H & 5A = 20 games
Other conferences 2H & 2A = 32 games
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Post by Bagheera on May 22, 2018 6:54:37 GMT
How about 3 conferences 52 game season (would lose 2 home games so may need to revamp the cup) Erhardht & Patton Own conference 4H & 4A = 24 games Other conferences 2H & 2A = 28 games Gardiner Own conference 5H & 5A = 20 games Other conferences 2H & 2A = 32 games Think you may have solved it. As long as it is just the 11 teams then I see this being what they go with. As I said previously it would be nice to reduce league games amd extend play offs, but we all know that wont happen. |
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Post by iginla on May 22, 2018 8:32:28 GMT
How about 3 conferences 52 game season (would lose 2 home games so may need to revamp the cup) Erhardht & Patton Own conference 4H & 4A = 24 games Other conferences 2H & 2A = 28 games Gardiner Own conference 5H & 5A = 20 games Other conferences 2H & 2A = 32 games That looks a decent choice. But Clan,Flyers and Stars would be sick of the sight of each other so you really would have to change the challenge cup groups around. |
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Post by pantherlee on May 22, 2018 9:06:03 GMT
I think the trickier one is the challenge cup set up and how you fit it in around the new league. You can't have straight up knock out and you can't divide 11 teams equally for a short format tournament. I'd hate that set up by the way. Back to playing Steelers around 15 times a season
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