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Post by wannabe2 on Feb 5, 2018 17:37:24 GMT
What do you guys reckon is your average attendance.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 5, 2018 17:41:28 GMT
Lower than whatever we publish  |
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Post by grrm on Feb 5, 2018 17:54:43 GMT
According to the Elite League / Pointstreak website for league games it's just over 5700 this season. This is almost identical to last season.
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Post by wannabe2 on Feb 5, 2018 18:27:24 GMT
Thanks guys
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Post by fishman on Feb 5, 2018 18:29:29 GMT
Including League and Challenge cup game 5255, plus the CHL game and pre season games
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Post by iginla on Feb 5, 2018 19:13:22 GMT
The updated figure from the end of last season was an average of 5720 which put Panthers 38th in Europe.
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Post by kezypanther on Feb 5, 2018 21:49:35 GMT
Imagine if we were actually challenging....
Maybe GM and NB haven’t thought of this yet. I’ll email them now.
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Post by iginla on Feb 5, 2018 21:55:54 GMT
Imagine if we were actually challenging.... Maybe GM and NB haven’t thought of this yet. I’ll email them now. Indeed That’s what ive always said. If we had a team in the top two which actually competed for the league title you could have another 1000 a game in. That’s another £500k in income over a season Neil ! |
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 5, 2018 22:17:27 GMT
That’s what ive always said. If we had a team in the top two which actually competed for the league title you could have another 1000 a game in. That’s another £500k in income over a season Neil ! You'd think the only motivation Neil Black would need to support the team properly is his obsession with taking part in the CHL. The only guaranteed way to get into the CHL is winning the league... |
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Post by ted logan on Feb 5, 2018 22:29:58 GMT
That’s what ive always said. If we had a team in the top two which actually competed for the league title you could have another 1000 a game in. That’s another £500k in income over a season Neil ! You'd think the only motivation Neil Black would need to support the team properly is his obsession with taking part in the CHL. The only guaranteed way to get into the CHL is winning the league... How frustrating is it that a seemingly astute businessman cannot see what is glaringly obvious and right in front of him. He’s not a mug, NB so what’s the story? Why is the biggest, best supported, team with the (arguably) best arena and supposedly the biggest budget, so consistently crap in the league? |
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 5, 2018 22:38:56 GMT
You'd think the only motivation Neil Black would need to support the team properly is his obsession with taking part in the CHL. The only guaranteed way to get into the CHL is winning the league... How frustrating is it that a seemingly astute businessman cannot see what is glaringly obvious and right in front of him. He’s not a mug, NB so what’s the story? Why is the biggest, best supported, team with the (arguably) best arena and supposedly the biggest budget, so consistently crap in the league? With crowds comfortably over 5,000 for the last few years he knows consistent turnover plus budget gives him a yearly profit he can happily live with. By speculating he may add 1,000 extra but if he fails he won’t and presumably would significantly lessen his take. Panthers is probably his banker in terms of his businesses so why would he risk it? |
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Post by ted logan on Feb 5, 2018 22:59:19 GMT
How frustrating is it that a seemingly astute businessman cannot see what is glaringly obvious and right in front of him. He’s not a mug, NB so what’s the story? Why is the biggest, best supported, team with the (arguably) best arena and supposedly the biggest budget, so consistently crap in the league? With crowds comfortably over 5,000 for the last few years he knows consistent turnover plus budget gives him a yearly profit he can happily live with. By speculating he may add 1,000 extra but if he fails he won’t and presumably would significantly lessen his take. Panthers is probably his banker in terms of his businesses so why would he risk it? Also in business if you stand still for too long you get overtaken and eventually end up going backwards. Panthers is/are stale on and off the ice. Needs a real good kick up the ar5e. |
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 5, 2018 23:05:31 GMT
With crowds comfortably over 5,000 for the last few years he knows consistent turnover plus budget gives him a yearly profit he can happily live with. By speculating he may add 1,000 extra but if he fails he won’t and presumably would significantly lessen his take. Panthers is probably his banker in terms of his businesses so why would he risk it? Also in business if you stand still for too long you get overtaken and eventually end up going backwards. Panthers is/are stale on and off the ice. Needs a real good kick up the ar5e. We know that but I seriously doubt our owner takes as much interest in the minute details of our club as we do. He comes up for two or three games a year and I genuinely think it’s all about the £££. As long as he’s getting enough he pretty much leaves Moron to get it any way he can. That won’t change until crowds and profits fall. Then he would have to be more proactive in earning his money out of the Panthers. |
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Post by iginla on Feb 5, 2018 23:27:51 GMT
How frustrating is it that a seemingly astute businessman cannot see what is glaringly obvious and right in front of him. He’s not a mug, NB so what’s the story? Why is the biggest, best supported, team with the (arguably) best arena and supposedly the biggest budget, so consistently crap in the league? With crowds comfortably over 5,000 for the last few years he knows consistent turnover plus budget gives him a yearly profit he can happily live with. By speculating he may add 1,000 extra but if he fails he won’t and presumably would significantly lessen his take. Panthers is probably his banker in terms of his businesses so why would he risk it? But in the grand scheme of things Black wouldn't have to risk much to really upgrade on say this years team. This years guys are all average Cv wise with the exception of Galbraith,Garnet,Spang and Sauve and two of those are on Uni deals so that will lessen the outlay on those two. The rest are all ECHL standard so they are not expensive players. If you pay £1000 a week you get a much better player than an average ECHL guy on about £700 a week. Half a dozen top end guys at the extra £300 a week X 30 weeks is only £54k over a season. That is nothing to Panthers,put that in perspective and it's basically less than the profit generated from 50/50 and shirt off your back sales.......But you would have one heck of a better quality team if you spent the extra money. Panthers problems are that they struggle to attract the right players because of the managements reputation and secondly they just don't particularly seem to want to win,they would rather blunder along just keeping it close. The irony is,they can't even manage that ! |
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Post by Yotes on Feb 5, 2018 23:41:31 GMT
But that's 54k not going into the back pocket? For the chance of an improved league showing that you're not really bothered about anyway?
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 5, 2018 23:42:01 GMT
All valid points from the perspective of fans wanting the team to consistently perform better and have a genuine yearly shot at the league.
I just think Black has little ambition beyond earning a certain amount of money from this business, and that’s all it is to him. He doesn’t have to speculate to do that and so he doesn’t.
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Post by iginla on Feb 6, 2018 0:00:16 GMT
But that's 54k not going into the back pocket? For the chance of an improved league showing that you're not really bothered about anyway? But if he puts a more successful team on the ice,Black will no doubt see a further increase in crowds,it did during the grand slam year. The only reason I'm not bothered about it anymore,is because I'm sick and tired of putting effort and money into supporting a team that doesn't care,doesn't do everything it can to win and retains a coach that should have got the bullet several years ago. I'm finished at the end of this season when my season ticket runs out,unless there are major changes in the summer. |
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Post by Yotes on Feb 6, 2018 0:05:50 GMT
When I said "you're", I meant from his point of view (ie he's not bothered about it), I know you are I think it's exactly like vercingetorix1966 says, we're a very stable investment that pays out a lovely big dividend every year for next to no effort. Job done. Pretty hard to come by golden geese these days I'd imagine. And I'm not sure crowds can really be used as an incentive with them, I mean don't they keep creeping up, or at least holding steady, whatever old rubbish they put out there? The league win didn't mark some sudden jump from what I remember. |
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Post by iginla on Feb 6, 2018 0:27:01 GMT
When I said "you're", I meant from his point of view (ie he's not bothered about it), I know you are I think it's exactly like vercingetorix1966 says, we're a very stable investment that pays out a lovely big dividend every year for next to no effort. Job done. Pretty hard to come by golden geese these days I'd imagine. And I'm not sure crowds can really be used as an incentive with them, I mean don't they keep creeping up, or at least holding steady, whatever old rubbish they put out there? The league win didn't mark some sudden jump from what I remember. Unfortunately crowds do hold up in Nottingham yes,because some people will put up with any old crap and suffer being treated with disdain by the club. I'm not one of those people,therefore i will be doing the only alternative left,which is to walk away unless or until big changes are made and I'm quite happy to do that. |
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Post by ted logan on Feb 6, 2018 9:00:03 GMT
So it’s profit before points then as many have suspected for a while now.
As the owner he’s the custodian of the club. He therefore has a duty towards the fans who are effectively and morally (but not legally) shareholders. He’s letting every single of one of them down.
As I said the whole club needs a shake up and if he continues to stand still it will eventually go backwards.
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Post by PantherTom on Feb 6, 2018 11:47:40 GMT
So it’s profit before points then as many have suspected for a while now. As the owner he’s the custodian of the club. He therefore has a duty towards the fans who are effectively and morally (but not legally) shareholders. He’s letting every single of one of them down. As I said the whole club needs a shake up and if he continues to stand still it will eventually go backwards. It went backwards about 2/3 years ago |
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Post by ted logan on Feb 6, 2018 14:23:39 GMT
So it’s profit before points then as many have suspected for a while now. As the owner he’s the custodian of the club. He therefore has a duty towards the fans who are effectively and morally (but not legally) shareholders. He’s letting every single of one of them down. As I said the whole club needs a shake up and if he continues to stand still it will eventually go backwards. It went backwards about 2/3 years ago Depends on your point of view. I’d agree as a fan and judging it based on what happens on the ice. NB/GM no doubt see it differently. Bums on seats? Check. Healthy profit? Check. Challenged for the league? Meh, who cares. Happy fan base? Screw em, for every unhappy one that leaves, there’s another one waiting in line. |
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Post by simonm on Feb 6, 2018 19:09:37 GMT
So if ordinary balanced individuals can come to this conclusion can others see why the supporters trust is such a threat ?
What do you think this forum should do next ?
Continue to support the organisation, or actively oppose it ?
If oppose would jono and cats whisker side with the organisation, fellow supporters or sit on the fence ?
Does crowd funding have a place in any future anti-organisation displays ?
Questions questions.....
If we show no passion for our sporting club, why should the players ?
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Post by grrm on Feb 6, 2018 19:23:11 GMT
What do you guys reckon is your average attendance. Just to bring this back a little more on topic, what was the reason for the question wannabe2? |
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 9, 2018 10:16:54 GMT
So if ordinary balanced individuals can come to this conclusion can others see why the supporters trust is such a threat ? What do you think this forum should do next ? Continue to support the organisation, or actively oppose it ? If oppose would jono and cats whisker side with the organisation, fellow supporters or sit on the fence ? Does crowd funding have a place in any future anti-organisation displays ? Questions questions..... If we show no passion for our sporting club, why should the players ? You probably need a new thread to try and get some responses to these questions. Unfortunately most people are full of hot air and prefer to whinge rather than actually doing anything. |
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