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Post by shinobi on Jan 8, 2018 20:42:02 GMT
Apparently Craigheadβs re-signing had far reaching impact as quite a few players refused to come back to Panthers if he was there. GM stands for Great Meddler. Jinman, Thompson & Struch...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 20:48:57 GMT
Then there's all the players who refused to return if GM was there!
Jason Weaver and Ashley Tait stand out although it was more of the latter's dad I believe
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2018 21:29:11 GMT
Craig Peacock...because Moran had a big bust up with his dad.
Briane Thompson.....because they made him go to the airport with other players early morning just to save petrol money,which left him stranded at Heathrow with a baby for about 8 hours before he flew home in the evening on a different flight. He told them,if that's how you treat your players don't bother ringing me again next year.
And people wonder why Panthers struggle to sign players,or always seem to lose out when it comes to a signing battle for a player ! π
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Post by Mark on Jan 8, 2018 22:04:03 GMT
Common denominator, Gary Moran. Horrible little egotist. But he makes Neil Black money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 22:07:25 GMT
Gary Moran is the GM of a team in a city centre location (the only one in the eihl) all others on the outskirts of the town's/city's.
There's no special formular to his money making skills .
I'd be worried if he didn't make money! He's got it made!
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2018 22:34:04 GMT
Gary Moran is the GM of a team in a city centre location (the only one in the eihl) all others on the outskirts of the town's/city's. There's no special formular to his money making skills . I'd be worried if he didn't make money! He's got it made! A monkey could sell Panthers tickets in Nottingham. Put somebody like Kelman in the GM seat and the arena would be full every game,the fans would be happy and a lot of the "lost fans" would likely come back.
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Post by jd on Jan 8, 2018 22:39:10 GMT
Some of you need to ask Ellis and Adey. You might have a shock. Please expand
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Post by PantherG on Jan 8, 2018 23:48:08 GMT
From what I understand NB & GM have a budget meeting in the off season and the budget is agreed. CN then does his recruiting, GM does the final negotiations on salary / contract etc. So long as the team is within NBs budget he is not interested on who comes in. Does the GM suggest what type of player is recruited??? You could well imagine him saying we want a franchise player ala McGratten to draw in the crowds. If mid season it is felt additional players are needed GM gets approval from NB and the players salary amount is agreed, CN then goes searching. In Shalla's case I've heard CN got a message from a very unhappy NB simply saying enough is enough, sack somebody and replace him. Why CN had to wait and be told what to do who knows; personally I think he's too weak to make tough decisions (well his NEP article said he hated sacking people). For me even if we signed 2 or 3 marquee players we won't win the league unless Cardiff has an epic bout of bad form like we have had and, with their depth and quality spares I just can't see it happening. As a side note someone mentioned to me a week or so ago that there was something in the match magazine about some important off ice news/changes happening in the off season, if true dare we speculate GM to retire?? CN to move on?? Can only hope. Neilsons on a two year deal so we will get more of the same next year... crap power play, dump and chase to your hearts content and a festive slump! Then make some post Christmas changes and make a run at the POs... the script is written.. Gary Moran wonβt be going anyway, he looks in his late 60s but from what I understand heβs in his late 50βs!!! And why would he leave, he looks like he loves the limelight and control.. the only way either of these two are going anywhere is if someone made Black a decent offer and took over the club. Someone actually told me, donβt know if itβs true, that NB canβt stand GM and only communicates when he has to..... But if true there is a reason he must be there?? So NB must rate him highly. And the other depressing thought is Sheffield have three of the best, by far, junior talent waiting in the wings, so if they stick around, expect to see them dominate for a fair few seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 0:38:52 GMT
This is year 2 of Neilsons 2 year contract
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Post by iginla on Jan 9, 2018 15:18:35 GMT
This is year 2 of Neilsons 2 year contract Judging by Neilsons latest interview today,you arenβt seeing a new signing this weekend in Belfast Pidge. Neilson is probably still scouring the depths of Russia to see what gem he can come up with. π #gettingdesperate
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Post by PantherB on Jan 9, 2018 15:22:21 GMT
This thread has gone from blaming Corey for lack of signings, to saying it's because of GM.
At this current time, I personally don't believe either at fault for the lack of signing news. In the Off-Season, I'd agree but not currently. Corey will be sitting very comfortable having held the coaching position for almost a decade but I don't buy for one second that he doesn't want to win, or doesn't try to win and unless something drastic comes to light, I never will. There aren't that many players of high quality available, and we are not the only team in the world who is looking to sign a player. Even if 5 top end players became available, we could offer them all a deal and there is nothing to say we will get any of them so I don't understand why people feel like when Corey said he was chasing 3 guys, and all failed to materialise, people blame Corey and the club for not signing them.. Nobody on here knows the reasons why, nobody. It could be anything from a players agent asking for one price, we offer the price and another team decides to offer 10% more. They player could have an acquaintance at a club which is also trying to sign them, and choose them based upon that. Or players may simply not feel the offer is worth accepting at the moment due to personal reasons.
I'm more than confident that Corey is getting a bit frustrated with the length of time it is taking to sign a quality guy, but like he said.. the market is thin at the moment and we can't afford to sign a bad egg who won't contribute greatly. We need someone who will whip the rest of the roster into playing better and you won't get that if you sign a low quality, cheap player just because they're available.
I'm as disappointed as the next person but I don't understand why someone within the club has to be blamed and abused for something that is more than likely out of their hands.
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Post by sj on Jan 9, 2018 15:40:42 GMT
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Post by iginla on Jan 9, 2018 15:43:04 GMT
This thread has gone from blaming Corey for lack of signings, to saying it's because of GM. At this current time, I personally don't believe either at fault for the lack of signing news. In the Off-Season, I'd agree but not currently. Corey will be sitting very comfortable having held the coaching position for almost a decade but I don't buy for one second that he doesn't want to win, or doesn't try to win and unless something drastic comes to light, I never will. There aren't that many players of high quality available, and we are not the only team in the world who is looking to sign a player. Even if 5 top end players became available, we could offer them all a deal and there is nothing to say we will get any of them so I don't understand why people feel like when Corey said he was chasing 3 guys, and all failed to materialise, people blame Corey and the club for not signing them.. Nobody on here knows the reasons why, nobody. It could be anything from a players agent asking for one price, we offer the price and another team decides to offer 10% more. They player could have an acquaintance at a club which is also trying to sign them, and choose them based upon that. Or players may simply not feel the offer is worth accepting at the moment due to personal reasons. I'm more than confident that Corey is getting a bit frustrated with the length of time it is taking to sign a quality guy, but like he said.. the market is thin at the moment and we can't afford to sign a bad egg who won't contribute greatly. We need someone who will whip the rest of the roster into playing better and you won't get that if you sign a low quality, cheap player just because they're available. I'm as disappointed as the next person but I don't understand why someone within the club has to be blamed and abused for something that is more than likely out of their hands. Because Neilson is the guy that got us in this mess,just like last year and the year before and the year before.... He is the guy who has signed average players with no star quality. He is the guy who does the same thing every year. He is the guy who doesn't seem able to motivate a team for even half a season. He is the guy who doesn't cut players when he should. He is the guy (or rather when Black tells him to) who finally realises what the fans could see ages ago and cuts one before we've signed a replacement. He is the guy who won't run with a spare player. He is the guy who has run out of ideas. He is the guy without a plan B. He is the guy that even after ten years still can't fathom how to create an even half decent powerplay. He is the guy full of every excuse under the sun,rather than accept he got it wrong. That's why I blame him and it's about time he lost his bloody job !
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jan 9, 2018 15:45:53 GMT
Iβd love some news this week but that doesnβt sound likely!! Iβd also be having a word with Mike Cazzola up in Edinburgh, heβs just below a PPG on a terrible caps team and scored 30 last year in the ECHL. Thereβs also Shawn Lalonde who looks a very good D man that Iβd look to bring in to tighten up at the back.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 9, 2018 15:58:22 GMT
Think Cazzola is at uni up there.
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Post by shinobi on Jan 9, 2018 16:33:17 GMT
This is year 2 of Neilsons 2 year contract Judging by Neilsons latest interview today,you arenβt seeing a new signing this weekend in Belfast Pidge. Neilson is probably still scouring the depths of Russia to see what gem he can come up with. π #gettingdesperate What leagues would you like Neilson to be scouting?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 16:35:51 GMT
This thread has gone from blaming Corey for lack of signings, to saying it's because of GM.Β At this current time, I personally don't believe either at fault for the lack of signing news. In the Off-Season, I'd agree but not currently. Corey will be sitting very comfortable having held the coaching position for almost a decade but I don't buy for one second that he doesn't want to win, or doesn't try to win and unless something drastic comes to light, I never will. There aren't that many players of high quality available, and we are not the only team in the world who is looking to sign a player. Even if 5 top end players became available, we could offer them all a deal and there is nothing to say we will get any of them so I don't understand why people feel like when Corey said he was chasing 3 guys, and all failed to materialise, people blame Corey and the club for not signing them.. Nobody on here knows the reasons why, nobody. It could be anything from a players agent asking for one price, we offer the price and another team decides to offer 10% more. They player could have an acquaintance at a club which is also trying to sign them, and choose them based upon that. Or players may simply not feel the offer is worth accepting at the moment due to personal reasons. I'm more than confident that Corey is getting a bit frustrated with the length of time it is taking to sign a quality guy, but like he said.. the market is thin at the moment and we can't afford to sign a bad egg who won't contribute greatly. We need someone who will whip the rest of the roster into playing better and you won't get that if you sign a low quality, cheap player just because they're available. I'm as disappointed as the next person but I don't understand why someone within the club has to be blamed and abused for something that is more than likely out of their hands.Β Because Neilson is the guy that got us in this mess,just like last year and the year before and the year before.... He is the guy who has signed average players with no star quality. He is the guy who does the same thing every year. He is the guy who doesn't seem able to motivate a team for even half a season. He is the guy who doesn't cut players when he should. He is the guy (or rather when Black tells him to) who finally realises what the fans could see ages ago and cuts one before we've signed a replacement. He is the guy who won't run with a spare player. He is the guy who has run out of ideas. He is the guy without a plan B. He is the guy that even after ten years still can't fathom how to create an even half decent powerplay. He is the guy full of every excuse under the sun,rather than accept he got it wrong. That's why I blame him and it's about time he lost his bloody job ! Spot on and anyone who even thinks about disagreeing with this needs to give their head a wobble!! All those Neilson lovers out there you know who u are !!
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Post by nytram89 on Jan 9, 2018 16:40:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 16:45:38 GMT
I think these clowns forget who pay their wages !
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Post by nytram89 on Jan 9, 2018 16:53:06 GMT
I think these clowns forget who pay their wages ! Exactly. I dont tend to do much moaning on here but recent results have really bugged me. I think the fact he said our moaning was embarrassing is insulting. I know we dont have the situation of edinburgh but i still believe we have the right to an opinion. There is something clearly amiss with the performances as of late abd it seems to be the same year on year since we won the league. If a football manager was having this sort of run he would have been sacked years ago. Also to go back to topic we were told on the 27th that corey was close and hoping to tie a few players up now xmas was out the way. 2 weeks later and nothing. In the meantime we have fallen further behind our rivals. Hey ho no point in complaining though apparently π
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Post by shinobi on Jan 9, 2018 17:04:22 GMT
Iβm sure Oakford will keep his opinions to himself when he qualifies as a teacher & he reads unjust remarks about said career in the media...
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Post by dp on Jan 9, 2018 17:09:42 GMT
Yeah Iβd say that if youβre upset by fans being annoyed with an 8 game losing streak then professional sport is probably not for you. I donβt think people like him realise how easy they have it playing hockey in the UK. Adored by some fans regardless of results or how good you are (and if you canβt accept criticism from fans then you also canβt accept praise), very little pressure (as McGrattan continually mentioned as a big plus) and huge job security and certainty.
I remember my first NHL game at NY. The netminder was pulled because they were losing and was replaced by an 18 year old rookie making his debut. He made a mistake which cost a goal and almost the entire 17k crowd turned on him, booing, jeering and shouting abuse at him. Iβd like to see Oakfordβs reaction to that!
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Post by Mark on Jan 9, 2018 18:16:40 GMT
Who actually gives a toss what Sam Oakford says?
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Post by Mark on Jan 9, 2018 18:19:58 GMT
Just read his sparse piece. All the othe teams he mentioned have won the league title multiple times. Weβve won it once since 1980. Whatβs your considered opinion of that fact Sam?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 18:30:12 GMT
Gave up like listening like to this like drivel like after just 2 like minutes!
'LIKE' must be the most overused and unnecessary word currently in the English vocabulary - why?
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