Ryan and David

[carolle]

From Panthers site..

Shmyr's suspension extended

League officials have notified the club that they will be reviewing the incidents surrounding the dismissal of Ryan Shmyr at the weekend.

Ryan faces an automatic one game suspension for the Match penalty he received, but league chiefs say the review of the whole incident will include the throwing of the helmet aspect and that, they say, carries a further two game automatic ban under rules adopted last summer.

The club will be making its representations known to the heads of discipline for their review.

Meanwhile the request by the opposition for supplementary discipline against David Clarke will also be reviewed by disciplinary chiefs this week. The club will be vigorously arguing against any further action against David.

[jimmyo]

icehockey said:

From Panthers site..

Shmyr's suspension extended

League officials have notified the club that they will be reviewing the incidents surrounding the dismissal of Ryan Shmyr at the weekend.

Ryan faces an automatic one game suspension for the Match penalty he received, but league chiefs say the review of the whole incident will include the throwing of the helmet aspect and that, they say, carries a further two game automatic ban under rules adopted last summer.

The club will be making its representations known to the heads of discipline for their review.

Meanwhile the request by the opposition for supplementary discipline against David Clarke will also be reviewed by disciplinary chiefs this week. The club will be vigorously arguing against any further action against David.

Can understand how Shmyr's ban may be extended, but what's this with Clarke? He certainly had to go on the night but 5+game seemed sufficient to me.

[Rich]

Steelers have asked for it to be extended then, what a surprise

[GlasgowPanther]

Just saw this on the panthers site as well. Fair enough about the thing with Ryan, but for steelers to ask for more action to be taken against David when he was just retaliating to being but-ended!!!!

This is well beyond a Joke!!!! It makes me angry!

[batman85]

well said edinburghpanther

[Doughnut]

I don't really blame the Steelers for doing whatever they can within the rules in order to increase their chances of staying ahead of us in the league. That's sport.

I wasn't at the game, so didn't see what happened, but I doubt the fact it was in retaliation can excuse an offence. I guess it's for the league to decide if Clarke deliberately cross-checked someone to the face, and if so decide if deliberately cross-checking someone to the face deserves more than 5+Game.

Much as I don't want us to be another man down, from what I've read I think I could understand if the league thought Clarke deserved more.

[Deleted]

So payette going to attack our bench after getting thrown out deserved just the 5+game? some player went to gouge a players eyes and got a 2 game ban, yet someone threw his helmet onto the ice and gets a combined 3 game ban. What a joke

[Doughnut]

pidge said:

So payette going to attack our bench after getting thrown out deserved just the 5+game? some player went to gouge a players eyes and got a 2 game ban, yet someone threw his helmet onto the ice and gets a combined 3 game ban. What a joke

I agree the penalties seem very disproportionate. Though if the rules state you get an automatic 2 game ban for chucking your helmet on the ice, then it seems pretty simple to me - just don't do it!

[GlasgowPanther]

I see your point doughnut, but I would argue that what steelers did on Saturday was not within the rules!

A major penalty and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who butt-ends an opponent.

but conveniently the ref and linos appear not to have seen this yet everyone else did!

lets hope this was caught on the DVD so the league can see it and base there decision on what actually happened.

[Doughnut]

edinburghpanther said:

I see your point doughnut, but I would argue that what steelers did on Saturday was not within the rules!

A major penalty and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who butt-ends an opponent.

but conveniently the ref and linos appear not to have seen this yet everyone else did!

lets hope this was caught on the DVD so the league can see it and base there decision on what actually happened.

I don't know if they would retrospectively award the 5+game for the butt-end or not. Wouldn't make a lot of difference if they did would it? Either way I'm not sure how much it would mitigate a cross-check to the face.

[ggggranville]

Would video evidence be acceptable in these enquiries. Could make the officials somewhat embarrassed.

[GlasgowPanther]

I don't think they would, and there wouldn't be much point your right. I just hope they realize that it was an incident of tit for tat and we picked up the penalty for it and they didn't.

I feel they should be happy with that and let it be. I can only see a lot of trouble coming from this if they decide to discipline David any more.

[GlasgowPanther]

ggggranville said:

Would video evidence be acceptable in these enquiries. Could make the officials somewhat embarrassed.

My understanding is that it was video evidence that got matus penalty overturned.

So i beleive it should be acceptable

[KimThePanther]

Simon Kirkham applying a penalty as he thinks appropriate. Fair enough in my book.

Unfortunately with Payette the referee only chose to assess him for a game penalty so seemingly it didn't get refered to Kirkham for review. I'm guessing then there are no rules to say that Kirkham can increase a penalty having reviewed the game himself?

I don't think Clarke will be banned. It seemed enough at the time.

[newham]

SO, the Steelers publicly mock us to going to the league to try and get a decision (Ellis) over-turned but are very happy to go do similar themselves?

Sheffield Steelers, the words 'pot', 'kettle' and 'black' come to mind.

[Deleted]

3 games for that, a bit of pushing and throwing your helmet!! Unbelievable, where's the consistency?

As for the Steelers asking for extra discipline on Clarke, when I thought they couldn't stoop any lower they manage to prove me wrong again. This is a move bourne out of pure spite IMO.
The latest pathetic, classless act from a pathetic, classless organisation.

[chris22]

What butt end? Firstly Sarich and now Shane Johnson both butt-ended the respective players who then were thrown out for retaliation. Hanson was well placed for both incidents.

I don't think Clarke's ban will be extended, and to be honest I think 1 game is enough for Shymr.

Chris

[heja]

sorry but what payette did a few games ago was ten times worse than what ryan did (bit of hand bags if you ask me, deserved a game penalty MAX and that would be quite a harsh call for what he actully did

and clarkes, didn't really see it, but if clarke did get caught high as well, or with a dirty hit maybe they will take that in to account too

[Paul]

heja said:

sorry but what payette did a few games ago was ten times worse than what ryan did (bit of hand bags if you ask me, deserved a game penalty MAX and that would be quite a harsh call for what he actully did

and clarkes, didn't really see it, but if clarke did get caught high as well, or with a dirty hit maybe they will take that in to account too

The difference, I think, might be that Ryan got a match for his actions but Payette got another game. Someone told me at the time that becaue he'd got another game nothing would be done & it looks like that is right. Still at least Jono didn't call Ryan what he called Payette ;D. Shocking, it was truly shocking .

As for the penalties it just goes to show that this league & hockey in this country is starting to become a joke. Why should teams need to ask for supplementary action to be taken (& I don't blame Sheffield for doing it for one minute)? The league should be reviewing every ejection of this kind to try & clamp down on the increase in the use of sticks. More worrying to me is that we'll end up with another round of schoolyard bickering with our friends up the M1 which will do neither side any good anywhere except the bank balance because rightly or wrongly it'll sell tickets.

[Igor]

My understanding is that if the Steelers have requested a review of the incident (Clarke cross-checking Johnson) then the league's disciplinary board will review the *whole* incident (including Johnson's actions).

To me, this suggests that the Steelers are confident that Johnson did not do anything worthy of a possible penalty and suspension of his own (I was not at the game so won't make any judgement, although a friend who was there said that there was no butt-end, but Johnson simply "stood him up")...

At the end of the day, a deliberate cross-check to the head should be deserving of more than a 5+game, but since the referee didn't award a Match Penalty, any review must be specifically requested by the club concerned. In the case of a Match Penalty such as Shmyr received, the league review is automatic.

Of course, the EIHL changes it's rules that often that all the above may be out-of-date cobblers by now :-)

[MP]

Not sure where the talk of a butt end on Clarke comes from.

David is quoted as saying Johnson cross checked him in the back off the play and he retaliated - no mention of a butt end.

I'd have thought on review the 5+game would be considered sufficient.

A one game ban for Shymr would have been sufficient for what happened but the extension to 3 games was inevitable - that's one rule the League does actually enforce.

[Lucy]

I wonder if they would have asked for this review if they'd been playing someone other than the Panthers

[Deleted]

lucy said:

I wonder if they would have asked for this review if they'd been playing someone other than the Panthers

You know what the answer is

[heja]

from what i've been told he clarke gave jonson a glove punched, but while still holding his stick there for maybe looking like a cross check to the head, eg maybe why clarke was shocked when he was kicked out.

as i said i didn't see it despite it happening pretty much right in front of me lol

[jimmyo]

jono72 said:

3 games for that, a bit of pushing and throwing your helmet!! Unbelievable, where's the consistency?

As for the Steelers asking for extra discipline on Clarke, when I thought they couldn't stoop any lower they manage to prove me wrong again. This is a move bourne out of pure spite IMO.
The latest pathetic, classless act from a pathetic, classless organisation.

After what has happened in the last few weeks I think both teams are going to do whatever they can to get one over each over. BOTH teams have been classless in their actions recently.

As for Shmyr, he has only himself to blame. He could have left quietly and sat out one game max, but his temper tantrum may now cost him and his team dearly.