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Post by ted logan on Dec 28, 2017 15:36:32 GMT
But they’ll have the money in the bank and an arena with just the happy clappers in it. They won’t care. Money/profit is the Panthers holy grail, not league titles. I get that you want to make a point and I agree that one needs to be made. Hit Panthers wear it hurts, in the pocket/bank account. It’s the only way. Like I say - keep attending and what message does that send??? Stop going and hopefully they will get the message that unless real changes are made, then they can forget season ticket renewals for next season. Is that not hitting them in the pocket? Yep - season tickets would be a huge way to do it.
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Post by grrm on Dec 28, 2017 15:45:50 GMT
I agree with Ted, once you've coughed up the cash they're done with you. They've proven they don't care about things like atmosphere, so why would they care that you're not there? Probably prefer it, fewer NIC staffers needing to be paid for if they can keep some bars closed Shorty has the right idea, don't renew in the summer and pick and choose. Of course don't renew in the summer, but will they have made real changes at the club by then? Well they won't if people keep turning up now as if everything is hunky dory! Send a message now and let them see small crowds, and the penny might drop with them that they need to change or next season the revenue is going to be down. The only other way to hit them financially is to ask for your season ticket money back! Good luck with that one.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 28, 2017 15:56:49 GMT
We could (based on past seasons) take an educated guess at how the rest of the season/next year will pan out of course:-
1. Sign a couple of studs in January - the likes of Angel Nikolov, Kevin Quick and Jason Williams 2. Win the Cup and Play-Offs 3. Fans go into Summer on a high and can't wait until next season because of the euphoria of the 'double' and POFW 4. Club announce record season ticket sales 5. Sign a roster that is nowhere near what we could truly afford and look on in envy at Cardiff and Belfast 6. Still start the season well and are the first team to get to 30 points 7. December slump and out of title contention by Xmas 8. Repeat steps 1-7 from January 19 onwards
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Post by shinobi on Dec 28, 2017 15:59:45 GMT
If any of you reading this want real change, then whether you have already brought your tickets or not for the next few games - DONT GO! If you keep going they will keep taking the p!!s out of you and carry on regardless. They need to actually see how angry fans are by seeing half empty stadiums. If you want mediocre performances then keep on going to the matches, I know which I'll be doing. I appreciate your sentiment, but from my own point of view, there’s no way I’m telling my five year old we aren’t going when he knows we have tickets. He’d be absolutely devastated.
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 28, 2017 16:06:35 GMT
I agree with Ted, once you've coughed up the cash they're done with you. They've proven they don't care about things like atmosphere, so why would they care that you're not there? Probably prefer it, fewer NIC staffers needing to be paid for if they can keep some bars closed Shorty has the right idea, don't renew in the summer and pick and choose. Of course don't renew in the summer, but will they have made real changes at the club by then? Well they won't if people keep turning up now as if everything is hunky dory! Send a message now and let them see small crowds, and the penny might drop with them that they need to change or next season the revenue is going to be down. The only other way to hit them financially is to ask for your season ticket money back! Good luck with that one. Sorry but I agree with the other guys. Your principles are spot on in what you want to achieve though. I really do not think they would care if 6,000 tickets were sold but only 2,000 turned up. Once that money is in the bank nothing else matters. Attendences going down only hits them when it equates to loss of revenue. Doesn't matter if you are there or not on Saturday. You have paid for your ticket so you will be counted in the attedance stat too.
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Post by grrm on Dec 28, 2017 16:38:13 GMT
Of course don't renew in the summer, but will they have made real changes at the club by then? Well they won't if people keep turning up now as if everything is hunky dory! Send a message now and let them see small crowds, and the penny might drop with them that they need to change or next season the revenue is going to be down. The only other way to hit them financially is to ask for your season ticket money back! Good luck with that one. Sorry but I agree with the other guys. Your principles are spot on in what you want to achieve though. I really do not think they would care if 6,000 tickets were sold but only 2,000 turned up. Once that money is in the bank nothing else matters. Attendences going down only hits them when it equates to loss of revenue. Doesn't matter if you are there or not on Saturday. You have paid for your ticket so you will be counted in the attedance stat too. If that is the case, then unfortunately all people should expect is business as usual for the foreseeable future, they should stop moaning on here and simply join the happy clapper brigade. I guess it's like most things in life, people moan but are not actually prepared to do anything about it. C'est la vie!
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Post by ted logan on Dec 28, 2017 16:51:19 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the other guys. Your principles are spot on in what you want to achieve though. I really do not think they would care if 6,000 tickets were sold but only 2,000 turned up. Once that money is in the bank nothing else matters. Attendences going down only hits them when it equates to loss of revenue. Doesn't matter if you are there or not on Saturday. You have paid for your ticket so you will be counted in the attedance stat too. If that is the case, then unfortunately all people should expect is business as usual for the foreseeable future, they should stop moaning on here and simply join the happy clapper brigade. I guess it's like most things in life, people moan but are not actually prepared to do anything about it. C'est la vie! Easy Tiger - I think the people that have engaged with you on this thread (myself included) have agreed that something needs doing but most have disagreed with you as to the way to do it and given sound reasoning behind their thoughts. Don't see the need to brand them as 'Happy Clappers' or accuse them of not being prepared to do anything about it. If only we, the fans, could set up something like a Supporters Trust and get the club to engage and listen to the fans to try and take the club forward eh?
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Post by Yotes on Dec 28, 2017 16:52:16 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the other guys. Your principles are spot on in what you want to achieve though. I really do not think they would care if 6,000 tickets were sold but only 2,000 turned up. Once that money is in the bank nothing else matters. Attendences going down only hits them when it equates to loss of revenue. Doesn't matter if you are there or not on Saturday. You have paid for your ticket so you will be counted in the attedance stat too. If that is the case, then unfortunately all people should expect is business as usual for the foreseeable future, they should stop moaning on here and simply join the happy clapper brigade. I guess it's like most things in life, people moan but are not actually prepared to do anything about it. C'est la vie! But that's our argument, if we all do what you suggest it'll still be business as usual, everything that will happen (the crack covering signings, a probable upturn in fortunes) will still play out exactly the same, except we'll have also given Gary loads of money for nothing at all. Other than not buying merch and concessions (which I don't anyway), the only time a season ticket holder can take a meaningful stand, one they will care about as they'll see it on the bank statement, is at renewal time.
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Post by pantherlee on Dec 28, 2017 16:55:52 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the other guys. Your principles are spot on in what you want to achieve though. I really do not think they would care if 6,000 tickets were sold but only 2,000 turned up. Once that money is in the bank nothing else matters. Attendences going down only hits them when it equates to loss of revenue. Doesn't matter if you are there or not on Saturday. You have paid for your ticket so you will be counted in the attedance stat too. If that is the case, then unfortunately all people should expect is business as usual for the foreseeable future, they should stop moaning on here and simply join the happy clapper brigade. I guess it's like most things in life, people moan but are not actually prepared to do anything about it. C'est la vie! Come off your high horse mate. You want to make a point good for you but do really expect people to waste about £200 worth of season ticket that has been paid for in the hope that NB or GM care or even notice and make drastic changes because your not in your seat. I'm just as disappointed with the state of things as you are but i'm not wasting my ticket in the hope that people take notice (which they won't) and completely change their philosophy. If you want make a point start "Moran out" chants or banners so feelings are actually seen and heard
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Post by grrm on Dec 28, 2017 17:02:40 GMT
I won't be able to start the chant or raise a banner because I won't be there.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 28, 2017 17:29:14 GMT
Nothing much will happen and things will carry on much like they have done for years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 17:39:15 GMT
Nothing much will happen and things will carry on much like they have done for years. Spot on . The question Is do a high proportion of the local Fan base care enough to make sure change happens
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 28, 2017 18:06:33 GMT
Recall the Brit kids, get them on the ice. Drop one of the imports, embarrass them into performing. We will probably be without a few imports anyway. Get farmer back to the wing. Defend first, keep a clean sheet, then build from there. 0-0 would be a great result.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 28, 2017 18:15:32 GMT
If that is the case, then unfortunately all people should expect is business as usual for the foreseeable future, they should stop moaning on here and simply join the happy clapper brigade. I guess it's like most things in life, people moan but are not actually prepared to do anything about it. C'est la vie! Come off your high horse mate. You want to make a point good for you but do really expect people to waste about £200 worth of season ticket that has been paid for in the hope that NB or GM care or even notice and make drastic changes because your not in your seat. I'm just as disappointed with the state of things as you are but i'm not wasting my ticket in the hope that people take notice (which they won't) and completely change their philosophy. If you want make a point start "Moran out" chants or banners so feelings are actually seen and heard[/font][/font]Think that would be an interesting scenario, and would watch what the Security do to stop it - would expect them to ban any posters or banners, with a threat of being kicked out and banned if they persist - will make a point but not many will be prepared to become a martyr - may be better outside of the rink, but still expect the NIC to film anybody protesting, and again baring them - would find out who is running the Arena if nothing else
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 28, 2017 18:18:53 GMT
Nothing much will happen and things will carry on much like they have done for years. Spot on . The question Is do a high proportion of the local Fan base care enough to make sure change happens Think that is what they are afraid of with the Supporters Trust
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Dec 28, 2017 18:20:42 GMT
If any of you reading this want real change, then whether you have already brought your tickets or not for the next few games - DONT GO! If you keep going they will keep taking the p!!s out of you and carry on regardless. They need to actually see how angry fans are by seeing half empty stadiums. If you want mediocre performances then keep on going to the matches, I know which I'll be doing. Already paid for tickets = money in the bank = them not bothered if we turn up or not. Cup games not on the ST are the best way to make both a financial and physical/optical difference. Start with the MK game. Déjà vu? CC Cup v Braehead 2016 thecageforum.proboards.com/thread/16782/braehead-game-boycott?page=10
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Post by wannabe2 on Dec 28, 2017 20:16:55 GMT
Catch 22 ain’t it, we had it all in Cardiff, caring about a club that no one else seemed to give a fig about. Unfortunately you would be lucky to get 5% of people not going, as at the end of the day it’s hard not too go. What’s the answer, who knows, maybe go, buy nothing but if you have kids, that’s a no no, and sit watch and go home, it’s a tough call for most.
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2017 20:58:13 GMT
I agree with Ted, once you've coughed up the cash they're done with you. They've proven they don't care about things like atmosphere, so why would they care that you're not there? Probably prefer it, fewer NIC staffers needing to be paid for if they can keep some bars closed Shorty has the right idea, don't renew in the summer and pick and choose. That's what I'm doing. Had three season tickets for 17 years now and they won't be getting renewed next season....enough is enough. As for the MK cup game. Panthers can stick that game ticket where the sun doesn't shine !
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Post by brooksy09 on Dec 28, 2017 21:03:51 GMT
Gutted about Gagz ban will this be for the 2 blaze games ? And do you think we will sign anyone before them games ?
Cheers Brooksy
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2017 21:11:10 GMT
This is what we want to see to make a point and the MK cup game is the one to boycott. Hopefully they lose the quarter final against MK and that costs Panthers a full home leg of gate money in the semi. Probably around £50 k at least. That would make Black cough ! 😄
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Post by PantherG on Dec 29, 2017 1:14:07 GMT
This is what we want to see to make a point and the MK cup game is the one to boycott. Hopefully they lose the quarter final against MK and that costs Panthers a full home leg of gate money in the semi. Probably around £50 k at least. That would make Black cough ! 😄 But we will win that game, MK are in a horrendous slump too and can’t travel.... after we win there will be so much spin about us qualifying for the semis it’ll make you dizzy. However, I won’t be parting with another penny, and we have decided we won’t be renewing the season tickets next year, this is just a season too far. I’m not sure what’s going on but what we don’t have is accountability in this club and a real desire to win. For all Sheffield’s faults there is no way Tony Smith would tolerate this... we are just not ruthless enough on or off the ice and there is too much sentiment with many of the fans and the club know it....
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Post by Karl on Dec 29, 2017 8:17:41 GMT
Sorry but I agree with the other guys. Your principles are spot on in what you want to achieve though. I really do not think they would care if 6,000 tickets were sold but only 2,000 turned up. Once that money is in the bank nothing else matters. Attendences going down only hits them when it equates to loss of revenue. Doesn't matter if you are there or not on Saturday. You have paid for your ticket so you will be counted in the attedance stat too. If that is the case, then unfortunately all people should expect is business as usual for the foreseeable future, they should stop moaning on here and simply join the happy clapper brigade. I guess it's like most things in life, people moan but are not actually prepared to do anything about it. C'est la vie! You are calling people out people who support the team through thick and thin for apathy but you have purchased tickets and will not attend....that only hurts you. I get people are swizzled off with the team, completely, it’s an absolute horrendous turn around from where we should be. Honestly what major changes do you want to happen at the club and what do you think they will bring about?
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Post by iginla on Dec 29, 2017 9:16:21 GMT
If that is the case, then unfortunately all people should expect is business as usual for the foreseeable future, they should stop moaning on here and simply join the happy clapper brigade. I guess it's like most things in life, people moan but are not actually prepared to do anything about it. C'est la vie! You are calling people out people who support the team through thick and thin for apathy but you have purchased tickets and will not attend....that only hurts you. I get people are swizzled off with the team, completely, it’s an absolute horrendous turn around from where we should be. Honestly what major changes do you want to happen at the club and what do you think they will bring about? What you have to remember is that this is five years running now that we have had a bad league season. In the whole of the arena era,Panthers have won the league once and been a very distant runner up once. That leaves 15 seasons where we havnt even been close to challenging. How do you blame the players when it’s pretty much a different team every season ? It’s not the fans fault either,Jesus they’ve gone above and beyond year upon year,Panthers don’t know how lucky they are on that score. So that leaves the common denominators of Black,Moran and Neilson. Black doesn’t spend what the club should or could and isn’t hands on enough. Moran just upsets and alienates people,causes a rift and drives people and players away rather than bringing the whole club together. I’ve known a lot of players over the years and they all say the same,it’s not just the fans who dislike him. Then there is Neilson. Been here far too long now,he’s stale and should have gone three years ago. He can’t motivate,tactics are poor,won’t stand up and be counted until he’s forced into it and just tows the party line. He knows exactly how to play Moran and Black though,like a fiddle he does. Oh “yes boss” he knows how to keep Moran on side by playing Moran’s game. And in return Moran covers Neilson back. I watched him closely against Sheffield and he just stood there doing nothing,looking bemused,hands in pockets, whilst on the other bench Thommo is up and down rallying his troops. How he survives year after year is a mystery. If he had been Adey or Ellis he would have been fired long ago ! This Club needs a big change and it needs to start with a new management mentality to winning and a change of coach. Until that happens,don’t expect much !!!
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 29, 2017 10:33:34 GMT
The above is spot on. I had enough about 3 seasons ago. Gave up my season ticket as I was sick of losing the Christmas games and midweek to minnows without effort. I’ve called for black out, Moran out, Neilson out a few times. I normally try to see a couple of games at the start of the season, I absolutely loved the campions league, went to every game. Then I made a vow if panthers are short benched and can’t be bothered to have spares, I can’t be bothered to turn up either. I’ve not missed much and saved a lot of money. I used to by all the merch and over priced beer before I got wise. I think there are a whole load of panthers fans who have simply stoped going. Tbh I think the entire elite league is just sports entertainment, weighted in the favour of certain clubs each season, we purposely set a budget so not to blow the little teams away as if they fold the gravy train ends. That’s what this league is about. This is why no tv deal and no real national coverage imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 10:38:51 GMT
This is what we want to see to make a point and the MK cup game is the one to boycott. Hopefully they lose the quarter final against MK and that costs Panthers a full home leg of gate money in the semi. Probably around £50 k at least. That would make Black cough ! 😄 But we will win that game, MK are in a horrendous slump too and can’t travel.... after we win there will be so much spin about us qualifying for the semis it’ll make you dizzy. However, I won’t be parting with another penny, and we have decided we won’t be renewing the season tickets next year, this is just a season too far. I’m not sure what’s going on but what we don’t have is accountability in this club and a real desire to win. For all Sheffield’s faults there is no way Tony Smith would tolerate this... we are just not ruthless enough on or off the ice and there is too much sentiment with many of the fans and the club know it.... Tony Smith is tolerating this though, Sheffield's league position is just as bad as our when you consider games played. It's only 2 wins over a team who couldn't score in a brothel that's papering over the cracks in Sheffield.
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