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Post by Rob Scott on May 10, 2017 8:30:05 GMT
Can anyone tell me why the league still doesn't have a sponsor?
Can anyone tell me why the league doesn't have a TV deal?
Does anyone actually believe that the Commercial Director role is a position that they want to recruit for?
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Post by ashfieldpanther on May 10, 2017 9:02:17 GMT
Doesn't your third question answer your first two. If they don't have some-one actively chasing sponsors & TV deals then they aren't likely to get them.
I often wonder why so many minority sports appear on Premier (Your home for Hockey !), but not the EIHL. We get Swedish Hockey, National Rugby League, Australian Rugby League etc, even GB Ice Hockey and the Worlds. Is it because the cost for showing those sports is relatively small, if UK isn't the prime market do Premier get it cheap so it fills up the schedules. I'm curious to know why it works, and I'd thought of approaching Premier, but that then borders on the role of Commercial Director.
Valid questions for the league though.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 10, 2017 9:22:11 GMT
I used to think that it was one of two things but have come to the conclusion that it comes down to desperation and ineptitude. Even the father of a 6 year old in mini moto wouldn't have put together the current TV deal the EIHL has and apart from not having a clue this is the reason for the lack of a sponsor. A sponsor first question is about what coverage they will get obviously and a handy-cam YouTube amateur/crap effort on a channel I am not sure is even still running is just utter rubbish.
Apart from four of five teams professional ice hockey of any standard just isn't sustainable in the UK. It's just pure fantasy and apart from Saturday night drunks who want to watch guys with long 'bats' having a fight now and again it would be in an even worse state. It's just a case of making it last as long as they can and keep the money coming in for as long as possible before it all falls apart.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 10:02:44 GMT
If I was the EIHL I wouldn't be overly bothering with a TV deal, they should be focusing on having a bigger presence on YouTube simply because there's more eyeballs there (TV is mote like radio these days).
Proper consistent highlights for all teams that all have the same intro showing EIHL & sponsor logo (teams can still run their sponsors on their own YouTube channel highlights).
The big thing they should also do to raise awareness is broadcast 1 game a week for free (I know they don't like that word) on YouTube live (mix up which team it is from week to week), it would cost them nothing to do it apart from the fee of whoever you'd get to do the broadcast (Icetime TV?) and the exposure it would generate would be nothing but good for the league.
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Post by Rob Scott on May 11, 2017 8:14:48 GMT
Surely any league Sponsor is better than nothing?
A). It would contribute some money to the league even if it was only a small amount in year 1 then better than nothing.
B). It would make it easier to attract a sponsor for next year.
I could get a company to agree to sponsor the league for next season and have it all signed up by the end of the month so why can't the EIHL sort something out?
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Post by iginla on May 11, 2017 8:40:39 GMT
Surely any league Sponsor is better than nothing? A). It would contribute some money to the league even if it was only a small amount in year 1 then better than nothing. B). It would make it easier to attract a sponsor for next year. I could get a company to agree to sponsor the league for next season and have it all signed up by the end of the month so why can't the EIHL sort something out? Because they're useless,greedy and they all want to keep any potential sponsors for their own clubs to line their own grubby pockets,rather than working for something which would benefit the league ! |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 11, 2017 9:01:12 GMT
Surely any league Sponsor is better than nothing? A). It would contribute some money to the league even if it was only a small amount in year 1 then better than nothing. B). It would make it easier to attract a sponsor for next year. I could get a company to agree to sponsor the league for next season and have it all signed up by the end of the month so why can't the EIHL sort something out? Because they're useless,greedy and they all want to keep any potential sponsors for their own clubs to line their own grubby pockets,rather than working for something which would benefit the league ! Plus sponsors ask questions |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 9:28:46 GMT
Surely any league Sponsor is better than nothing? A). It would contribute some money to the league even if it was only a small amount in year 1 then better than nothing. B). It would make it easier to attract a sponsor for next year. I could get a company to agree to sponsor the league for next season and have it all signed up by the end of the month so why can't the EIHL sort something out? Why is a league sponsor viewed as such as an important thing? Some of the biggest leagues in the world don't have a title sponsor. Even the Premier League went without this season, they had official ball suppliers and things like that but no title sponsor. |
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Post by Rob Scott on May 11, 2017 9:31:32 GMT
Surely any league Sponsor is better than nothing? A). It would contribute some money to the league even if it was only a small amount in year 1 then better than nothing. B). It would make it easier to attract a sponsor for next year. I could get a company to agree to sponsor the league for next season and have it all signed up by the end of the month so why can't the EIHL sort something out? Why is a league sponsor viewed as such as an important thing? Some of the biggest leagues in the world don't have a title sponsor. Even the Premier League went without this season, they had official ball suppliers and things like that but no title sponsor. It's just an easy thing to get that would give SOME money to teams who are constantly bleating about having no money. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 9:49:11 GMT
Why is a league sponsor viewed as such as an important thing? Some of the biggest leagues in the world don't have a title sponsor. Even the Premier League went without this season, they had official ball suppliers and things like that but no title sponsor. It's just an easy thing to get that would give SOME money to teams who are constantly bleating about having no money. Makes sense but the issue you have is that the ofherv9 teams wouldn't think big picture with that and would want some money for themselves. Easiest solution is making the 4 teams in a conference responsible for securing sponsorship for that conference, they can then split it between the 4 of them without the other 8 being involved. Put the responsibility on their shoulders and they can't complain. |
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Post by Rob Scott on May 11, 2017 9:51:44 GMT
It's just an easy thing to get that would give SOME money to teams who are constantly bleating about having no money. Makes sense but the issue you have is that the ofherv9 teams wouldn't think big picture with that and would want some money for themselves. Easiest solution is making the 4 teams in a conference responsible for securing sponsorship for that conference, they can then split it between the 4 of them without the other 8 being involved. Put the responsibility on their shoulders and they can't complain. If you get a sponsor for the league the teams don't have any say in who gets what. It's X divided by 12 surely? |
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Post by iginla on May 11, 2017 10:09:36 GMT
It's just an easy thing to get that would give SOME money to teams who are constantly bleating about having no money. Makes sense but the issue you have is that the ofherv9 teams wouldn't think big picture with that and would want some money for themselves. Easiest solution is making the 4 teams in a conference responsible for securing sponsorship for that conference, they can then split it between the 4 of them without the other 8 being involved. Put the responsibility on their shoulders and they can't complain. Now that conference sponsorship is a damn good idea. 👍 |
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Post by iginla on May 11, 2017 10:12:30 GMT
Makes sense but the issue you have is that the ofherv9 teams wouldn't think big picture with that and would want some money for themselves. Easiest solution is making the 4 teams in a conference responsible for securing sponsorship for that conference, they can then split it between the 4 of them without the other 8 being involved. Put the responsibility on their shoulders and they can't complain. If you get a sponsor for the league the teams don't have any say in who gets what. It's X divided by 12 surely? Trouble with that is... You know who will do all the work and then the bone idle teams walk away with their nice little 1/12th for doing naff all as usual ! |
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Post by Warren on May 11, 2017 10:25:58 GMT
Doesn't your third question answer your first two. If they don't have some-one actively chasing sponsors & TV deals then they aren't likely to get them. I often wonder why so many minority sports appear on Premier (Your home for Hockey !), but not the EIHL. We get Swedish Hockey, National Rugby League, Australian Rugby League etc, even GB Ice Hockey and the Worlds. Is it because the cost for showing those sports is relatively small, if UK isn't the prime market do Premier get it cheap so it fills up the schedules. I'm curious to know why it works, and I'd thought of approaching Premier, but that then borders on the role of Commercial Director. Valid questions for the league though. All of Premier Sports ice Hockey coverage has been Distribution Rights wins this season (Bar the Panthers Conti Cup first round) with Murphy and Adey's commentary thrown on top. Look at the current IIHF Championships, all the games are free on YouTube except the ones on premier Sports, as they have the rights to them. even in the GB games, it was the IIHF feed (all their graphics etc). Prime example was one of the GB games where Murphy made reference to a "mad dash" across Belfast to get there, Adey and Murph were in a Studio somewhere doing "live" commentary for the SHL final. Premier sports has no investment in the broadcasting of the events, just the audio. They pay to be the source of the video. If they were to do EIHL, a 3rd Party would come in and do the broadcast part. I agree that we wont see a TV deal until a commercial director is appointed and possibly the Sponsorship deal. But I can't see any of the 3 being done while 1/3 of the league threatened to take the "puck" and go home. The biggest change that needs to happen is the league to be ran by an independent body, not the clubs themselves. |
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Post by Warren on May 11, 2017 10:28:11 GMT
If you get a sponsor for the league the teams don't have any say in who gets what. It's X divided by 12 surely? Trouble with that is... You know who will do all the work and then the bone idle teams walk away their nice little 1/12th for doing naff all as usual ! But surely, its only the Chairman who has to do it? But as said above, wont happen until someone independent (Commercial director would be start) is appointed. At the moment there is too much pulling in different directions. |
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Post by Rob Scott on May 11, 2017 10:36:54 GMT
For some reason the league DO NOT want to recruit a Commercial Director. If they did they would have done it by now.
No reason why each conference couldn't have a sponsor and still have an overall sponsor for the league.
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Post by mattscold on May 11, 2017 10:37:51 GMT
Surely any league Sponsor is better than nothing? A). It would contribute some money to the league even if it was only a small amount in year 1 then better than nothing. B). It would make it easier to attract a sponsor for next year. I could get a company to agree to sponsor the league for next season and have it all signed up by the end of the month so why can't the EIHL sort something out? If the main league sponsor was a travel company, (Like BMI baby previously) this would also solve the problems teams have with travel. We could offer someone like Skills title sponsorship in return for coaches for the teams too and from away games. They could even sweeten the deal by saying that official away team travel has to be done through skills or something. Just an example of out the box thinking that seems so lacking in the EIHL. EDIT: At the very least we may be able to talk them into sponsoring the poverty conference. |
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Post by DMS on May 11, 2017 10:59:53 GMT
For some reason the league DO NOT want to recruit a Commercial Director. If they did they would have done it by now. No reason why each conference couldn't have a sponsor and still have an overall sponsor for the league. The reason they didn't employ one is likely to be because they didn't want to it the going rate for one. |
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Post by Rob Scott on May 11, 2017 11:07:21 GMT
For some reason the league DO NOT want to recruit a Commercial Director. If they did they would have done it by now. No reason why each conference couldn't have a sponsor and still have an overall sponsor for the league. The reason they didn't employ one is likely to be because they didn't want to it the going rate for one. The advertised package was decent but it was never an actual position. |
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Post by iginla on May 11, 2017 11:09:21 GMT
For some reason the league DO NOT want to recruit a Commercial Director. If they did they would have done it by now. No reason why each conference couldn't have a sponsor and still have an overall sponsor for the league. The reason they didn't employ one is likely to be because they didn't want to it the going rate for one. Ooh I dunno....£60k apparently ! 😳😳 |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 11, 2017 11:38:02 GMT
The reason they didn't employ one is likely to be because they didn't want to it the going rate for one. The advertised package was decent but it was never an actual position. An EIHL commercial director would just be an ideas man and as no one can agree on anything what's the point of ideas? Plus a lot of the owners have zero commercial sense themselves. I also think that there is a lot more serious doubt amongst the team owners who have to deal with the hard facts and numbers than the fans ever will until the mess hits the fan in certain places. |
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Post by wasteoftime on May 11, 2017 11:47:52 GMT
Iv'e heard that the EIHL are changing the name to SIHL, job done.
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Post by Discoray on May 12, 2017 10:34:01 GMT
The reason they didn't employ one is likely to be because they didn't want to it the going rate for one. The advertised package was decent but it was never an actual position. It is an actual position, though while the package was indeed decent, it's still not enough. Any sales person worth their salt would see after about 2 minutes of research it's nowhere near enough incentive considering the "product", and all the baggage that comes with it that they need to try and sell out there. We'd need someone borderline capable of moving mountains to get any sort of traction, and you can't get that sort of person on £60k sadly. |
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Post by Rob Scott on May 12, 2017 10:52:52 GMT
The advertised package was decent but it was never an actual position. It is an actual position, though while the package was indeed decent, it's still not enough. Any sales person worth their salt would see after about 2 minutes of research it's nowhere near enough incentive considering the "product", and all the baggage that comes with it that they need to try and sell out there. We'd need someone borderline capable of moving mountains to get any sort of traction, and you can't get that sort of person on £60k sadly. Moving mountains??? Come on... How hard could it be to get a big company to hand over SOME cash for that amount of exposure? Not very... Apply for the role and see what response you get..... It's a non position that was only rolled out to shut people up. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 12, 2017 15:22:47 GMT
Hey... I've got a great idea... How about Panthers Radio live!!! It could blow up and go global!!!! We could get young Gary to do the commentary too! It's not as if he's really creepy or anything...
And you really wonder why they haven't hired a commercial director? The Tardis won't go back that far.
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