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Post by Pies on Apr 18, 2017 20:18:09 GMT
The 7 remaining EPL teams announced they would be setting up a new PIHL for the new season...well looks like Swindon have already pulled out link |
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Post by panthersdave on Apr 18, 2017 20:24:29 GMT
Swiftly followed by Hull....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 20:51:34 GMT
The article on Hull's website also seems to indicate they may be applying to join the EIHL.
Something along the lines of "there is an alternative scenario to the NIHL but we won't know about this until the end of April."
EIHL's board meeting is in the coming week or so isn't it?
With the collapse of EPL I really hope the EIHL don't bend over backwards to accommodate extra teams. I was happy enough with MK and Guildford coming on board as they are settled/established clubs and have had time to plan for the EIHL but taking on teams last minute who haven't properly planned for our league will be dangerous.
The Scottish teams throwing their weight around, league format up in the air, two new teams with potential applications of more. There's an awful lot to be settled in the coming weeks and I can't begin to fathom a solution that will satisfy all parties. There's going to be some unhappy clubs/fans somewhere.
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 18, 2017 21:03:33 GMT
The article on Hull's website also seems to indicate they may be applying to join the EIHL. Something along the lines of "there is an alternative scenario to the NIHL but we won't know about this until the end of April." EIHL's board meeting is in the coming week or so isn't it? With the collapse of EPL I really hope the EIHL don't bend over backwards to accommodate extra teams. I was happy enough with MK and Guildford coming on board as they are settled/established clubs and have had time to plan for the EIHL but taking on teams last minute who haven't properly planned for our league will be dangerous. The Scottish teams throwing their weight around, league format up in the air, two new teams with potential applications of more. There's an awful lot to be settled in the coming weeks and I can't begin to fathom a solution that will satisfy all parties. There's going to be some unhappy clubs/fans somewhere. They're applying to join the NIHL with a view of building the club to become an EIHL team in a couple of years time |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 21:16:01 GMT
They have applied for the NIHL but that won't be heard until May. On their own statement their is the below:
"What we can also say is that there is still an alternative scenario, however we won’t know any more about this until the end of April. Again, once this has run its course we can let everyone know what hockey in Hull will look like for the 2017/18 season."
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Post by Warren on Apr 19, 2017 8:59:17 GMT
They have applied for the NIHL but that won't be heard until May. On their own statement their is the below: "What we can also say is that there is still an alternative scenario, however we won’t know any more about this until the end of April. Again, once this has run its course we can let everyone know what hockey in Hull will look like for the 2017/18 season." I think that they may of been in touch with the EIHL knowing the pending Walk out of 1 (or more) Scottish clubs. Similar to how Storm came out of nowhere when Hull dropped. IMO the Scottish clubs walk out only works if they all go, 1 and its over for that club. Now the EIHL have a chance to call their bluff, if they go, Hull can step up. if the Scottish team then backs down, the EIHL can say to Hull "We dont want a 13 team league, perhaps next year if you bring another" |
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Post by wgray on Apr 19, 2017 9:53:33 GMT
They have applied for the NIHL but that won't be heard until May. On their own statement their is the below: "What we can also say is that there is still an alternative scenario, however we won’t know any more about this until the end of April. Again, once this has run its course we can let everyone know what hockey in Hull will look like for the 2017/18 season." I think that they may of been in touch with the EIHL knowing the pending Walk out of 1 (or more) Scottish clubs. Similar to how Storm came out of nowhere when Hull dropped. IMO the Scottish clubs walk out only works if they all go, 1 and its over for that club. Now the EIHL have a chance to call their bluff, if they go, Hull can step up. if the Scottish team then backs down, the EIHL can say to Hull "We dont want a 13 team league, perhaps next year if you bring another" agreed, Hull's application puts the power back in the hands of the league, here's a proposal if the three Scots dropped out and Hull joined Belfast, Sheffield, Breahead, Manchester, Hull Cardiff, Nottingham, Coventry, MK, Guildford |
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Post by Warren on Apr 19, 2017 10:16:37 GMT
I think that they may of been in touch with the EIHL knowing the pending Walk out of 1 (or more) Scottish clubs. Similar to how Storm came out of nowhere when Hull dropped. IMO the Scottish clubs walk out only works if they all go, 1 and its over for that club. Now the EIHL have a chance to call their bluff, if they go, Hull can step up. if the Scottish team then backs down, the EIHL can say to Hull "We dont want a 13 team league, perhaps next year if you bring another" agreed, Hull's application puts the power back in the hands of the league, here's a proposal if the three Scots dropped out and Hull joined Belfast, Sheffield, Breahead, Manchester, Hull Cardiff, Nottingham, Coventry, MK, Guildford That is how I would imagine it. Though does stand what the remaining 5 Teams will do? (I Believe they are: Tigers, Bison, Phantoms, Steeldogs, Bees) |
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Post by sevcik on Apr 19, 2017 10:53:34 GMT
agreed, Hull's application puts the power back in the hands of the league, here's a proposal if the three Scots dropped out and Hull joined Belfast, Sheffield, Breahead, Manchester, Hull Cardiff, Nottingham, Coventry, MK, Guildford That is how I would imagine it. Though does stand what the remaining 5 Teams will do? (I Believe they are: Tigers, Bison, Phantoms, Steeldogs, Bees) Worst case scenario there may not even be a Basingstoke Bison team next year. Their rink is literally falling down due to subsidance. They are now not allowed to use one of the dressing rooms as well as certain seating areas as it's too dangerous. Bracknell are struggling financially although are currently negotiating an ice rental. Their coach said a couple of months ago he thought that the PIHL was probably not financially viable too them. Peterborough have had a checquered financial history. Admittedly not recently. Their rink holds 1500 i think. Telford went bust at the start of this past season. All prospective PIHL teams were basically advised by EIHA chairman ken Taggart to join the league below (the NIHL) Which has a two import limit and i think the majority of players pay to play... |
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 19, 2017 11:10:48 GMT
As much as people bang on about the need for equal conferences so the league is 'fair' if for some reason this couldn't be achieved and the system did move towards a traditional setup where the POs are the BIG trophy then we'd all get used to it. It's not as if we'd all bugger off never to return!
Take the following system as an example
We play exactly the same system as we do now but for the teams in the five team conference one home and away game against each team in the conference only counts toward their conference title, not the overall league title. Therefore in the overall league side of things it's balanced.
It's not perfect but are we really going to let something as meaningless as a small technicality get in the way of league expansion?
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Post by nytram89 on Apr 19, 2017 11:41:51 GMT
It wouldn't be to difficult to make it even if hull did join and made it 13 team league
you could have equal amount of games against each team (2 home 2 away)
12x4 = 48 regular season games
Then extend play off - Top 10 teams make play offs (2 Groups of 5) and play each other once home and once away (8 extra games) and then top 2 out of each group go through to play off weekend as normal
At least then everything is equal and you are still getting a 56 game season excluding challenge cup and European commitments obviously.
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Post by Mozzy on Apr 19, 2017 12:38:18 GMT
As much as people bang on about the need for equal conferences so the league is 'fair' if for some reason this couldn't be achieved and the system did move towards a traditional setup where the POs are the BIG trophy then we'd all get used to it. It's not as if we'd all bugger off never to return! Take the following system as an example We play exactly the same system as we do now but for the teams in the five team conference one home and away game against each team in the conference only counts toward their conference title, not the overall league title. Therefore in the overall league side of things it's balanced. It's not perfect but are we really going to let something as meaningless as a small technicality get in the way of league expansion? I had this conversation with somebody off here last night over social media. I believe we'd all get used to the playoffs being the big trophy, he was convinced our "football mentality" of league first would stop it happening. I firmly believe it's the only way forward for this league, the playoffs should be the big one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 16:50:18 GMT
The problem I have with making the playoffs the big trophy in this league is that currently it's just too easy to qualify. Even if we extended our current playoff format you only have to finish in the top 8 out of 10(soon to be 12 or more). It's hardly an achievement for the arena teams to qualify and if the playoffs was to be the big goal then I think we'd be in for a largely dull regular season.
Sure it'd be great when the playoffs actually come around but it'd feel like an age to get there. It's only the bottom few teams who'd be scraping for the last couple of spots that would make the regular season even remotely interesting.
If you made it a case that only the top four qualified then it'd be a bit more exciting towards the top but then you start the season with around 6 teams who could realistically make the playoffs resulting in the lower teams being unhappy.
I'm all for the playoffs being extended and increasing it's worth but for me in Britain I think we are some way off the playoffs ever being the most desired trophy.
I know we are the only league that does it this way but we don't have the parity to do it any differently and keep everybody happy.
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Post by gump on Apr 19, 2017 18:49:19 GMT
Parity will never happen without a salary cap, will not matter if there are 10,12, or more teams. playoffs with top 8 is very do able same as it is now but with a proper extended format of best of five or seven. Regular season can still be used as incentive for home ice thru out playoffs, champion league qualification and as in most leagues a financial boost for first place team players. Until you try it you will never know if it works, definitely works elsewhere.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 19, 2017 19:40:09 GMT
The best 5 or 7 isn't going to happen though, we don't have the required control over ice time.
If the playoffs could potentially be 15/21 games, then I don't think anyone would have an issue using the playoffs as the yardstick.
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Post by iginla on Apr 19, 2017 20:59:29 GMT
Best of three is the longest play off we may get.
They won't go even to five games,because it could be all over in three games,leaving pre booked but unused arenas to be paid for.
That just isn't going to happen in this league.
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Post by spik on Apr 20, 2017 19:01:31 GMT
The problem I have with making the playoffs the big trophy in this league is that currently it's just too easy to qualify. Even if we extended our current playoff format you only have to finish in the top 8 out of 10(soon to be 12 or more). It's hardly an achievement for the arena teams to qualify and if the playoffs was to be the big goal then I think we'd be in for a largely dull regular season. Sure it'd be great when the playoffs actually come around but it'd feel like an age to get there. It's only the bottom few teams who'd be scraping for the last couple of spots that would make the regular season even remotely interesting. If you made it a case that only the top four qualified then it'd be a bit more exciting towards the top but then you start the season with around 6 teams who could realistically make the playoffs resulting in the lower teams being unhappy. I'm all for the playoffs being extended and increasing it's worth but for me in Britain I think we are some way off the playoffs ever being the most desired trophy. I know we are the only league that does it this way but we don't have the parity to do it any differently and keep everybody happy. Easy to qualify which is why a few of us have suggested that the dog fight (League programme) if smaller in length would make the games more valuable. To get a higher placing would allow a better placing in a play-offs that gives advantage in stages to its final. ie) a lower team would have to play hard and well to continue. An upset would be brilliant in this hopefully well extended play offs. |
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Post by gump on Apr 20, 2017 19:12:26 GMT
Really only Panthers and Steelers would have ice time issue with Giants possible the rest are arena teams with little concerns for availability.
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Post by iginla on Apr 20, 2017 19:36:07 GMT
I agree that the play offs should be extended.
However,all that would probably really do,is make it even more likely that only the big four/five will always make POFW.
Realistically would Dundee ever beat Sheffeld over say five games ?
Or Manchester beat Belfast over five games ?
I don't think so.
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