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Post by iginla on Dec 17, 2018 16:39:53 GMT
Oooo look what's popped up again. People do realise that those of us on The Cage represent about 0.01% of Panthers fans right? Most don't come on here anymore because it's mainly full of poo poo. I don’t do twitter or Facebook etc. But i guess the remaining 99.99% of Panthers fans are happy as sand boys watching crap then are they ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 16:45:27 GMT
Just because they don't jump up and down and start whining doesn't mean they are contempt they probably know nothing will get done while the club is ran like it is. You could have Mike Keenan/Scotty bowman in charge of this team and they'd be no higher up the table!
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Post by Yotes on Dec 17, 2018 16:50:19 GMT
There's been a lot of whining on Twitter after recent results. However I agree with you Pidge, you either put up or give up, Panthers isn't going to change while Black and Moran are steering the ship. Complaining is just widdling into the wind.
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Post by iginla on Dec 17, 2018 16:51:33 GMT
Just because they don't jump up and down and start whining doesn't mean they are contempt they probably know nothing will get done while the club is ran like it is. You could have Mike Keenan/Scotty bowman in charge of this team and they'd be no higher up the table! Well if a certain section of the fan base didn’t moan and there are plenty of them around,just think of what sort of Panthers team you might get then ! Don’t underestimate fan power Pidge,you know me and i know that as much as they deny it criticism does have an effect on this club.
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Post by PantherB on Dec 17, 2018 16:53:36 GMT
Non of us know what the issue is to be exact but whatever it is, it was here when Corey was here and it's here now Chernomaz is here. It could just be some absurd conspiracy theory but it's too much a coincidence for the same issues to happen for two coaches who are quite different. The only real difference I've noticed between this season and last season is the speed injury cover/spares were bought in. Besides that, what is different? We started the season superb, we played hockey which would be considered league winning quality if it happened week in week out, we seem to struggle with sticking to the identified game plan, we start playing completely different to the start of the season, we pick things back up and are introduced to false hope, we completely bottle it come December. If it's anything like seasons past then the next few months will be ridiculously inconsistent, we'll likely bottle it in the Cup semi final, finish 4th or 5th in the league and either squeeze into the playoffs final weekend or bow out in the quarters.
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Post by iginla on Dec 17, 2018 17:26:03 GMT
Non of us know what the issue is to be exact but whatever it is, it was here when Corey was here and it's here now Chernomaz is here. It could just be some absurd conspiracy theory but it's too much a coincidence for the same issues to happen for two coaches who are quite different. The only real difference I've noticed between this season and last season is the speed injury cover/spares were bought in. Besides that, what is different? We started the season superb, we played hockey which would be considered league winning quality if it happened week in week out, we seem to struggle with sticking to the identified game plan, we start playing completely different to the start of the season, we pick things back up and are introduced to false hope, we completely bottle it come December. If it's anything like seasons past then the next few months will be ridiculously inconsistent, we'll likely bottle it in the Cup semi final, finish 4th or 5th in the league and either squeeze into the playoffs final weekend or bow out in the quarters. Nailed it absolutely there mate. It’s the common denominators at the club and the whole club culture that’s the problem,it’s got to be. How else can this keep happening year on year,anybody got any alternative theories ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 18:59:02 GMT
Just because they don't jump up and down and start whining doesn't mean they are contempt they probably know nothing will get done while the club is ran like it is. You could have Mike Keenan/Scotty bowman in charge of this team and they'd be no higher up the table! I see what you're saying but when the issues are this bad and blatent then what else are we to talk about? "THREE CHEERS FOR RAMIREZ" A beer on boxing day for the first person to get the quote. We could talk about how brilliant Guildford and Dundee were instead I suppose but having to do that on a Panthers forum probably tells you all you need to know about our current situation. I know Iginla is repetitive but I don't think he's far off. That's what a forum is for, to discuss the issues/events in front of us.
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Post by PantherB on Dec 17, 2018 19:28:05 GMT
Non of us know what the issue is to be exact but whatever it is, it was here when Corey was here and it's here now Chernomaz is here. It could just be some absurd conspiracy theory but it's too much a coincidence for the same issues to happen for two coaches who are quite different. The only real difference I've noticed between this season and last season is the speed injury cover/spares were bought in. Besides that, what is different? We started the season superb, we played hockey which would be considered league winning quality if it happened week in week out, we seem to struggle with sticking to the identified game plan, we start playing completely different to the start of the season, we pick things back up and are introduced to false hope, we completely bottle it come December. If it's anything like seasons past then the next few months will be ridiculously inconsistent, we'll likely bottle it in the Cup semi final, finish 4th or 5th in the league and either squeeze into the playoffs final weekend or bow out in the quarters. Nailed it absolutely there mate. It’s the common denominators at the club and the whole club culture that’s the problem,it’s got to be. How else can this keep happening year on year,anybody got any alternative theories ? What I don't understand though is how it creates such a huge affect on the on ice product. We've had some very good players over the years with teams which should be more than capable of challenging for the title, we have that type of team this season too.. but what is causing the drastic turn of our fortunes every year? It's not a simple 'injuries have took their toll' type scenario, and it's not a case 'they just aren't good enough players', they are good enough players, their past suggests that and their early season play suggested that too. Hurtubise is this seasons example at the moment, has a great CV and started the year superbly, if he didn't get a goal in a game it was almost certain he'd get one next game.. Now he couldn't buy a goal with all the money in the world. Lepine too, he was as tough as they came back in his original stint, no nonsense, hard hitting and more than willing to drop the gloves.. Now he lets guys half his size knock him off balance with a gentle push. There's so much more I and others could mention. It's beyond frustrating, we as the fans do not know the solution to the problem and it appears, in public anyway, that the players and coaches don't know the solution to the problem either and being an arena team, one of the richest in the league.. It's just unbelievably wrong that this is how hockey in Nottingham is now.
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Post by kievthegreat on Dec 17, 2018 20:15:31 GMT
Just because they don't jump up and down and start whining doesn't mean they are contempt they probably know nothing will get done while the club is ran like it is. You could have Mike Keenan/Scotty bowman in charge of this team and they'd be no higher up the table! I see what you're saying but when the issues are this bad and blatent then what else are we to talk about? "THREE CHEERS FOR RAMIREZ" A beer on boxing day for the first person to get the quote. We could talk about how brilliant Guildford and Dundee were instead I suppose but having to do that on a Panthers forum probably tells you all you need to know about our current situation. I know Iginla is repetitive but I don't think he's far off. That's what a forum is for, to discuss the issues/events in front of us. I'm not at the game on Boxing day, but I'd still like a pint Mr Bassett.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 17, 2018 23:10:41 GMT
Oooo look what's popped up again. People do realise that those of us on The Cage represent about 0.01% of Panthers fans right? Most don't come on here anymore because it's mainly full of poo poo. You know what the thread is about Biglad... Don’t like it? You don’t have to click on it...
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 18, 2018 0:36:18 GMT
You know what the thread is about Biglad... Don’t like it? You don’t have to click on it... Apparently 'expressing an opinion on a podcast' > 'expressing an opinion on a forum'.
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Post by BigLad on Dec 18, 2018 8:17:12 GMT
Oooo look what's popped up again. People do realise that those of us on The Cage represent about 0.01% of Panthers fans right? Most don't come on here anymore because it's mainly full of poo poo. You know what the thread is about Biglad... Don’t like it? You don’t have to click on it... And leave an un-read notification?? I was merely trying to point out that the small amount of people that come on here do not represent the majority of the fanbase. Same with the podcast, we can have a moan and a bitch but we're a minority.
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Post by BigLad on Dec 18, 2018 8:17:32 GMT
You know what the thread is about Biglad... Don’t like it? You don’t have to click on it... Apparently 'expressing an opinion on a podcast' > 'expressing an opinion on a forum'. Got an issue James?
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 18, 2018 9:18:40 GMT
Only with the concept of belittling people's opinions without or rather than adding anything of value (or just keeping schtum) Antoine. I don't particularly like the stuff you and your chums come out with on TCW, so I do the adult thing and avoid it, rather than post vacuous comments about your output.
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Post by bobness on Dec 18, 2018 14:37:47 GMT
Meanwhile, back at the plot...
The answer to the titular thread question is "Buy the club and run it your way". End of. Whinging on here does nothing but make you feel better. Which is fine if that's what you want.
Why Panthers don't always play like they look on paper is a puzzle, but that's life. The team that thraipsed Flames in Guildford the other week was the same one on paper that was turfed over Sunday. Not the same result. Flames are a very quick, very skilled team, and took Panthers apart Sunday.
All of a sudden, Guptill has gone on a tear (points in 10 of the last 11 league games since the big win at Flames) but the rest of the side seems a long way behind. Hurtubise is a case in point. Outscored by Ollie Betteridge since that away game in Guildford, he's been a shadow of the player that started the season looking like he could easily score 100 points. Why? Who knows? Farmer is pointless in 6 of his last 7 games, just after scoring 7 points in 4 games. Perlini has points in 2 of his last 11 games, Lacho 1 in 11. The inconsistency is uber-frustrating. Why it keeps happening is anyone's guess.
That said, if Panthers go down 0-9 vs Steelers over Christmas, I'll be very shocked, so look on the bright side...
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Post by spik on Dec 18, 2018 14:52:41 GMT
Just because they don't jump up and down and start whining doesn't mean they are contempt they probably know nothing will get done while the club is ran like it is. You could have Mike Keenan/Scotty bowman in charge of this team and they'd be no higher up the table! Well if a certain section of the fan base didn’t moan and there are plenty of them around,just think of what sort of Panthers team you might get then ! Don’t underestimate fan power Pidge,you know me and i know that as much as they deny it criticism does have an effect on this club. However the Supporters Trust (not all their fault) are on a slide too. Obviously Panthers have slammed the door in their face but with little movement and obstacles in the way the Trust may fold. Does not mean that fans can't get together their own Supporters unofficial club though in a name other than 'Panthers'. I'd rather sit together with a group of fans in a local pub than a pre arranged Q and A/quiz night any day. Equally agree with stratty and ingila on remarks made.
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Post by wgray on Dec 18, 2018 15:15:28 GMT
Meanwhile, back at the plot... The answer to the titular thread question is "Buy the club and run it your way". End of. Whinging on here does nothing but make you feel better. Which is fine if that's what you want. Why Panthers don't always play like they look on paper is a puzzle, but that's life. The team that thraipsed Flames in Guildford the other week was the same one on paper that was turfed over Sunday. Not the same result. Flames are a very quick, very skilled team, and took Panthers apart Sunday. All of a sudden, Guptill has gone on a tear (points in 10 of the last 11 league games since the big win at Flames) but the rest of the side seems a long way behind. Hurtubise is a case in point. Outscored by Ollie Betteridge since that away game in Guildford, he's been a shadow of the player that started the season looking like he could easily score 100 points. Why? Who knows? Farmer is pointless in 6 of his last 7 games, just after scoring 7 points in 4 games. Perlini has points in 2 of his last 11 games, Lacho 1 in 11. The inconsistency is uber-frustrating. Why it keeps happening is anyone's guess. That said, if Panthers go down 0-9 vs Steelers over Christmas, I'll be very shocked, so look on the bright side... The only constant between this season, last season, and previous seasons, is our British core. You’ve shown that, apart from Ollie, the British forwards have pretty much gone missing, they’re not providing the secondary scoring we need and low and behold it’s Christmas. I’ve got no issues with the performances of Lee, Tetlow and Ollie but do you think our British players are part of the problem when Christmas time comes?
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Post by bobness on Dec 18, 2018 15:44:21 GMT
Farmer's only gone missing lately. He's 5th top scorer overall, behind the "big 4" guns. Which probably tells a bit too. Secondary scoring is a big issue. Our 5th top scorer has 17 points, you have to go to Giants and Devils 8th and 9th to get to 17 points. The third line just hasn't produced much all year, and the 4th line has been strictly "resting the others" only. Perlini hasn't had a settled linemate all year for more than 5 minutes, it seems. His production has thus been distinctly average. That's a correlation and for me, a causation. Bolduc, Richard and Tvrdon have been capable but not exactly awe-inspiring so far (26 pts in 32 games between them). Now we're apparently playing Billingsley as a forward, and shortly 2 forwards will be healthy scratches. WTactualH? The team balance looks wrong to me. Pool the wages of 3 import forwards and recruit 2 "bigger" players? And there's one echo of Neilson definitely here this year; near-constant line changing.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Dec 18, 2018 15:49:15 GMT
Lee is fairly much the same. Tetlow has improved and that's down to his increased icetime otherwise he would be the same getting one or two shifts a game in the 3rd if we were winning. Ollie has improved massively, always been an energy player and reaping the rewards, I think that Cherno has seen his potential and moved onto a line that is going to have more scoring opportunities and not the grinding 4th line. But others, Lacho and Farmer are the same and Perlini seems to have gone backwards recently and certainly not living up to the hype of being the must sign brit player in the league of last season.
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Post by iginla on Dec 18, 2018 16:46:07 GMT
Possibly the Brits along with the office side may well be the problem in creating the culture at the club. It’s been said many times by different people at several clubs that the Brits are always the glue that holds the team together. If that glue isn’t very good or strong then perhaps that’s why we fall to pieces after 2 or 3 months every year. And we don’t seem to have got what you would call big character Brits in our dressing room have we,guys who would get hold of the team and say this is how we’re gonna win ?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 18, 2018 19:36:35 GMT
Possibly the Brits along with the office side may well be the problem in creating the culture at the club. It’s been said many times by different people at several clubs that the Brits are always the glue that holds the team together. If that glue isn’t very good or strong then perhaps that’s why we fall to pieces after 2 or 3 months every year. And we don’t seem to have got what you would call big character Brits in our dressing room have we,guys who would get hold of the team and say this is how we’re gonna win ? Jono Philips
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Post by wgray on Dec 18, 2018 20:05:07 GMT
Farmer's only gone missing lately. He's 5th top scorer overall, behind the "big 4" guns. Which probably tells a bit too. Secondary scoring is a big issue. Our 5th top scorer has 17 points, you have to go to Giants and Devils 8th and 9th to get to 17 points. The third line just hasn't produced much all year, and the 4th line has been strictly "resting the others" only. Perlini hasn't had a settled linemate all year for more than 5 minutes, it seems. His production has thus been distinctly average. That's a correlation and for me, a causation. Bolduc, Richard and Tvrdon have been capable but not exactly awe-inspiring so far (26 pts in 32 games between them). Now we're apparently playing Billingsley as a forward, and shortly 2 forwards will be healthy scratches. WTactualH? The team balance looks wrong to me. Pool the wages of 3 import forwards and recruit 2 "bigger" players? And there's one echo of Neilson definitely here this year; near-constant line changing. In terms of PPG though Farmer is further down the pecking order, compared to last season he’s not far off track but that was a poor season for him. Perlini is miles off where he was last season. I acknowledge that Cherno has changed the lines but he did that when Richard came in and we initially saw the benefits. Richard had a good first game but we’ve not really seen any production from him since. We do have a predicament when everyone is fit though, do we: 1. Stick with the lines we’ve got, introduce 1 returning forward, put Billingsley back on on D and hope the forwards can get something going? Or 2. Bring both returning forwards in, change up the three lines that aren’t performing and drop one of the current import forwards? Or 3. Bring both forwards in, rest a defender instead of a forward, let Tetlow continue to play defence and hope we see some improvements on the scoring?
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Post by bobness on Dec 19, 2018 9:37:21 GMT
With 16 imports currently signed, 2 will have to sit when everyone is fit, assuming both import goalies dress. 2 n/m, 5 D and 9 forwards are imports. I assume it will either be 2 forwards or one of each. Scratching 2 import D would be a big call.
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Post by iginla on Dec 19, 2018 9:48:22 GMT
With 16 imports currently signed, 2 will have to sit when everyone is fit, assuming both import goalies dress. 2 n/m, 5 D and 9 forwards are imports. I assume it will either be 2 forwards or one of each. Scratching 2 import D would be a big call. Can’t see us playing both import netties so likely only one import skater will sit. Richard would be my guess.
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Post by wgray on Dec 19, 2018 11:45:50 GMT
With 16 imports currently signed, 2 will have to sit when everyone is fit, assuming both import goalies dress. 2 n/m, 5 D and 9 forwards are imports. I assume it will either be 2 forwards or one of each. Scratching 2 import D would be a big call. Can’t see us playing both import netties so likely only one import skater will sit. Richard would be my guess. I agree with you Iggy. It would be nice if we could have some feed back from the club when the injured players will be back as well.
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