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Post by nate24 on Aug 4, 2016 12:45:13 GMT
As the question says really, which club has the best structure to nurture talent?
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Post by Ghost on Aug 4, 2016 16:03:19 GMT
It seems Sheffield have the right idea with the whole apprentice thing. Many of our youngsters seem to have fallen away. If you think Ward, Bullas, Norton, Soar, Hartley etc.
It's only Betteridge recently that has managed to stick.
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Post by pantherdman on Aug 4, 2016 20:19:53 GMT
Non of them have a youth set up, so they are all awful. But it's not the elite leagues problem, remit or concern.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 5, 2016 14:56:43 GMT
Sheffield for sure. Go from like u9's up to u20's and then there's progression to Steeldogs (EPL) and perhaps Steelers after.
Steelers, Steeldogs, BoB, former players/coaches.. Loads of hockey camps and training up there, their players are lucky. Nottingham is poor for it, I've watched Sheffield juniors play a lot, Nottingham too and Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play.
Nottingham needs an EPL team, we've got NIHL2 in the Lions, we need a proper system set up.
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Post by Ghost on Aug 5, 2016 15:07:57 GMT
Sheffield for sure. Go from like u9's up to u20's and then there's progression to Steeldogs (EPL) and perhaps Steelers after. Steelers, Steeldogs, BoB, former players/coaches.. Loads of hockey camps and training up there, their players are lucky. Nottingham is poor for it, I've watched Sheffield juniors play a lot, Nottingham too and Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play. Nottingham needs an EPL team, we've got NIHL2 in the Lions, we need a proper system set up. I'd never considered that. Why don't we have an EPL team? |
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Post by nate24 on Aug 5, 2016 15:23:15 GMT
Sheffield for sure. Go from like u9's up to u20's and then there's progression to Steeldogs (EPL) and perhaps Steelers after. Steelers, Steeldogs, BoB, former players/coaches.. Loads of hockey camps and training up there, their players are lucky. Nottingham is poor for it, I've watched Sheffield juniors play a lot, Nottingham too and Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play. Nottingham needs an EPL team, we've got NIHL2 in the Lions, we need a proper system set up. I'd never considered that. Why don't we have an EPL team? ££££££ and panthers don't want competition for tickets on their door step. |
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Post by wgray on Aug 5, 2016 15:23:27 GMT
Sheffield for sure. Go from like u9's up to u20's and then there's progression to Steeldogs (EPL) and perhaps Steelers after. Steelers, Steeldogs, BoB, former players/coaches.. Loads of hockey camps and training up there, their players are lucky. Nottingham is poor for it, I've watched Sheffield juniors play a lot, Nottingham too and Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play. Nottingham needs an EPL team, we've got NIHL2 in the Lions, we need a proper system set up. did Kirk and Shudra play for the steeldogs? |
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2016 15:55:13 GMT
I'd never considered that. Why don't we have an EPL team? ££££££ and panthers don't want competition for tickets on their door step. BINGO ! |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 5, 2016 16:19:24 GMT
Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play. Charming. |
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2016 16:42:12 GMT
Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play. Charming. I nearly spat my coffee out when i read that. Not very politically correct.....but it's funny tho. Lol |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 5, 2016 16:44:07 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 5, 2016 16:45:26 GMT
Sheffield for sure. Go from like u9's up to u20's and then there's progression to Steeldogs (EPL) and perhaps Steelers after. Steelers, Steeldogs, BoB, former players/coaches.. Loads of hockey camps and training up there, their players are lucky. Nottingham is poor for it, I've watched Sheffield juniors play a lot, Nottingham too and Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play. Nottingham needs an EPL team, we've got NIHL2 in the Lions, we need a proper system set up. I'd never considered that. Why don't we have an EPL team? They need to learn how to run an EIHL team first plus to be fair I really don't think that it's in their interest or a responsibility to either. |
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Post by humbucker on Aug 5, 2016 17:25:59 GMT
Sheffield have just disbanded the Spartans their Div 1 team so the leap to Steeldogs EPL has to be from the Senators Div 2. Some form of progress I suppose but might be in the wrong direction. Most ice hockey at junior level is coached and managed by volunteers who put in a vast amount of time and effort. Nottingham has produced a great many players with most achieving EPL with professional support, in the main, being non existent. I believe that kids that want to play any sport should be given the chance no matter how gifted or otherwise. I believe remarks such as using the term 'disabled' when kids at least try is not the most positive response to the effort that they might put into a sport they might not excel at but enjoy. Sheffield have a good system and I would be the first to advocate a similar structure at the National Ice Centre. Having said how impressed I have been with their set up in the past I am also sure the vast majority of the work to keep the club afloat has been and continues to be supported by volunteers.
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Post by pantherdman on Aug 5, 2016 20:51:29 GMT
How many Sheffield born players have come all the way through their "system" and played on a regular basis for the steelers over the past 5 years?
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Post by iginla on Aug 5, 2016 21:15:36 GMT
How many Sheffield born players have come all the way through their "system" and played on a regular basis for the steelers over the past 5 years? Good question.....none ? |
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Post by PantherB on Aug 6, 2016 0:00:52 GMT
Sheffield for sure. Go from like u9's up to u20's and then there's progression to Steeldogs (EPL) and perhaps Steelers after. Steelers, Steeldogs, BoB, former players/coaches.. Loads of hockey camps and training up there, their players are lucky. Nottingham is poor for it, I've watched Sheffield juniors play a lot, Nottingham too and Sheffield make Nottingham look like a team of disabled kids just getting a chance to play. Nottingham needs an EPL team, we've got NIHL2 in the Lions, we need a proper system set up. did Kirk and Shudra play for the steeldogs? Shudra did I believe but also played with the u18's & u20's when he could, destroyed the juniors when I watched him. Single handedly tore Grimsby a new one in a single period, must've finished with no less than 10pts |
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Post by PantherB on Aug 6, 2016 0:01:54 GMT
might not be funny but it's true. Various reasons from attitude of the players to coaching, take your pick, it's just not a good setup at all and they pay for it. |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 6, 2016 2:11:42 GMT
It was your ugly choice of simile I was commenting on, not your views on the youth teams of Nottingham.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Aug 6, 2016 7:32:25 GMT
I thought that Coventry had a strong set up from U9 right up to U18-20's, set up by Thommo. Is that still the case or has it dropped off.
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Post by Doom on Aug 6, 2016 7:54:55 GMT
How many Sheffield born players have come all the way through their "system" and played on a regular basis for the steelers over the past 5 years? Ben O'Connor came through the Sheffield junior system, but rather than play for the Scimitars he moved to North America for a few years to improve his hockey education. I think junior systems are facility led and that's where Sheffield have an advantage over many other places. Ice Sheffield has two pads meaning there's more ice time availability than many other places, even if Ice Sheffield is often used for other non ice events. I've always said the most important role the likes of Sheffield and Nottingham can do for junior development is to stay solvent. I would think most of the kids who take up ice hockey do so because they'd watched the likes of Panthers and Steelers as young kids and fancied a go themselves. The professional clubs can certainly help by sending their players along from time to time to help with the coaching, but I suspect if they got too hands on that wouldn't be appreciated by some of the parents. It's going to be interesting to see how Kirk and Shudra develop this season as professionals. They're both clearly talented, although of the two I think Kirk is probably most likely to make it. Regards Doom |
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Post by humbucker on Aug 7, 2016 13:48:05 GMT
Nottingham has a number of level 3 coaches that coach at GB, England, and Conference and have had a good development record over the years and of that there is no doubt given the number still playing at EPL and above. Players and coaching has changed with many of the practices of years ago now outlawed. Discipline was paramount with players and parents unable to take coaches etc to task over their decision making but that has certainly changed over the years. The language in dressing rooms and how players are addressed has also changed with safeguarding rules being adhered to and with good reason. This of course leaves the field wide open for criticism, challenges, and on occasions legal action against club officials. As regards player attitudes the cream will always move to the top in any sport and this can lead to arrogance or demands from ambitious parents that their child be placed at a greater advantage ice time wise and on stronger lines. This will happen in all sports just go and watch junior football or other team sports where some pretty grim attitudes exist in abundance. Ice hockey is expensive where as you can find a patch of grass almost anywhere and ice time has to be paid for, and that is a fact of life. With ice hockey, in the end you either pay up the club packs up it's just a matter of whether survival of the club is important and to some that may not be the case.
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Post by dgardner on Aug 7, 2016 16:19:40 GMT
Im now 18 and have watched the panthers since age 3, but didnt start playing hockey till 14 as i couldnt afford the epuipment by the time i did the grades and got to a point where i felt i could join a team i was 16 but nobody really points you in any direction of where to go, how to apply, how much it costs...also as i was above 16 i would need to go into the under 18 team, this for me was too bigger step up (for a shorter lad) to play in my first team at under 18. So i guess more could be done to encourage kids at a younger age to start ice hockey like certain discounts if you hold a childs season ticket or something. But it is something that should be looked into to encourage people to start sooner and point them in the right direction when ready to move into a team.
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Post by humbucker on Aug 7, 2016 20:09:23 GMT
Commencing ice hockey during the teen years is a massive step for a youngster and to be quite honest the only player that comes to mind that started later and went on to play at the highest level, and is still playing is Nicky Chinn who played originally in Cardiff. I agree the younger you start the better but I would not write off your hockey career yet. There are some good recreational teams around should you feel up to the task. You say the u18s was too big a step so am I right in assuming that you have stopped playing because if so that is a shame. Have you discussed this situation with the club? If not playing have you thought about approaching a coach to help out with one of the younger teams and in the process continue to learn? Perhaps not much help, but you just never know if you start asking the questions.
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