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Post by tootootrain on Jun 28, 2016 13:55:45 GMT
Best they not faff about with the team as they've done so many times before, stump up some "taking it serious" money, sign decent players into proper contracts and get in any injury replacements when required, rather than string it out with fingers crossed.
Oh and given the potential punishing schedule, stop scrimping money and get local accommodation the night before Scotland games, rather than having them sat on coaches for hours before.
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Post by PantherB on Jun 28, 2016 15:25:17 GMT
Best they not faff about with the team as they've done so many times before, stump up some "taking it serious" money, sign decent players into proper contracts and get in any injury replacements when required, rather than string it out with fingers crossed. Oh and given the potential punishing schedule, stop scrimping money and get local accommodation the night before Scotland games, rather than having them sat on coaches for hours before. You know it's not as easy as that though. As far as i'm aware, we have a solid team signed up with 3 more additions to come and the patience in signing said 3 additions too would also suggest that they're, as always, taking it seriously. If we didn't take it seriously we'd have won absolutely nothing in our history and wouldn't even be playing anymore. As for arriving to places a night early, they've been up that road and it doesn't guarantee anything in regards to what happens on the ice. Plus it's not exactly the easiest thing, nor cheapest to book 13-15 rooms based on 2 sharing. If you did it for the Scotland Triple Header, it works out at a minimum of £3,000 for the 3 nights (Thursday-Friday-Saturday) and although Panthers always look as though they're raking it in, that's still a lot of money. And before anyone says 'They are raking it in', they wouldn't have signed up for the Alliance of European Hockey Clubs. - “The biggest challenge the clubs are facing is economy,” said Lüthi (SC Bern CEO). “If all clubs were making money or at least breaking even, we wouldn’t be having this meeting. By challenging others, but also ourselves, we want the E.H.C. to contribute to making club hockey in Europe a sustainable business.” |
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Post by tootootrain on Jun 29, 2016 10:59:46 GMT
...suggest that they're, as always, taking it seriously. If we didn't take it seriously we'd have won absolutely nothing in our history ... Given teams with far fewer resources have won the league title multiple times, Panthers have underachieved. Consolation trophies won in short series competitions aren't examples of a team taking the entire season seriously. Don't get me wrong, these PO/CC trophies are nice, but they don't speak of a team who consistently hit the ground running and use their superior potential resources to keep such form throughout the season. Injury replacements are a case in point. No, it doesn't guarantee anything, you're right. Nothing guarantees anything. Having the best NM in the league doesn't guarantee you'll be solid at the back because he could have an off night or the defence could let him down. You still want the best NM you can get between the pipes though, rather than scrimping because, you know, we've had good NMs who've had off nights before. Absolute rubbish. They get the fixture list months in advance. I've just managed to book for a rec team to stop in a hotel in a foreign city, I'm sure those professionals in the Panthers management could get their ducks in line to book accommodation within this nation. Less than 200 Bronze tickets at current prices. Yes it's not that simple, but its not that complex either. Panthers have the highest attendances in the league, consistently. Time to repay that loyalty. |
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Post by PantherB on Jun 29, 2016 13:30:17 GMT
...suggest that they're, as always, taking it seriously. If we didn't take it seriously we'd have won absolutely nothing in our history ... Given teams with far fewer resources have won the league title multiple times, Panthers have underachieved. Consolation trophies won in short series competitions aren't examples of a team taking the entire season seriously. Don't get me wrong, these PO/CC trophies are nice, but they don't speak of a team who consistently hit the ground running and use their superior potential resources to keep such form throughout the season. Injury replacements are a case in point. No, it doesn't guarantee anything, you're right. Nothing guarantees anything. Having the best NM in the league doesn't guarantee you'll be solid at the back because he could have an off night or the defence could let him down. You still want the best NM you can get between the pipes though, rather than scrimping because, you know, we've had good NMs who've had off nights before. Absolute rubbish. They get the fixture list months in advance. I've just managed to book for a rec team to stop in a hotel in a foreign city, I'm sure those professionals in the Panthers management could get their ducks in line to book accommodation within this nation. Less than 200 Bronze tickets at current prices. Yes it's not that simple, but its not that complex either. Panthers have the highest attendances in the league, consistently. Time to repay that loyalty. The lack of league championships doesn't determine if a team is taking things seriously or not. If anyone in British Ice Hockey consistently sits back and say's 'oh well' to not winning the league then they shouldn't be in British Ice Hockey. Winning the Playoffs and CC is a great start and Corey is a consistent trophy raiser but always has the disappointment at not winning the league. We've won 3 trophies since winning the league, which isn't exactly a statistic he should be fired for. As for injury replacements.. It'd be great to get a couple over the season but they only seem to work out well if they're brought in from the start as cover rather than mid season. It hasn't exactly worked very well previously when signing players mid-season, bar Quick and MacDonald which were i suppose, diamonds in the rough when you think back to all the tosh we've signed mid-season in previous years. But as i'm sure you know, it's not exactly easy to find quality or decent quality injury cover late in the season. As for the accomodation side, fair enough, answered that point very well so that's put that one to bed. Then for the ticket prices etc.. They don't go straight into Panther's pockets. The arena will get a large proportion of that otherwise we wouldn't have managed to have it as our home for so long. Neil Black likes to give a decent budget to work with but nothing excessively more than our direct competitors, probably a bit less infact than Steelers and possibly Belfast. Black will, for the right reasons, allow us to spend a little bit more when required and that generally seems to be times when we hit desperation such as signing a replacement goalie. It'd be wrong to look past our membership with the EHC though, we don't make as much money as people think, Steelers don't make as much money as people think, nobody in the league makes as much as people think. We and others might break even, maybe even have a decent profit but nothing to significantly change how the club is run and who we sign. Back to the point of the topic anyway, assuming (rightly or wrongly) that we proceed to the 3rd Round in Odense, that is also a slight nightmare of a place to get to. The easiest option would be a flight to Copenhagen and then a Train to Odense, takes just over an hour. The local airport in Odense only seems to offer tourism based flights and generally through the summer. Meaning the nearest airport would be either Copenhagen or Sønderborg, both are a similar distance away from Odense. Flights to Copenhagen on the dates for the 3rd Round are £25 with Ryanair so whilst it's still a bit of a pain to get to, it'll be a lot cheaper than Jaca. It must be noted though, Odense's rink is an absolute shed. Quite similar to Hull's rink but looks a lot older, it also has standing sections at each end. |
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Post by tootootrain on Jun 29, 2016 15:16:46 GMT
As for injury replacements.. It'd be great to get a couple over the season but they only seem to work out well if they're brought in from the start as cover rather than mid season. It hasn't exactly worked very well previously when signing players mid-season, bar Quick and MacDonald which were i suppose, diamonds in the rough when you think back to all the tosh we've signed mid-season in previous years. But as i'm sure you know, it's not exactly easy to find quality or decent quality injury cover late in the season. And yet our rivals seem to manage it, both bringing in quality players and quickly. You pays your money... Absolute cods. The Panthers hire the venue like any other promoter. The box office takes a small percentage for selling tickets but nothing like a "large proportion". The reason it has remained the Panthers home for so long is that Panthers are a steady income for the arena. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 29, 2016 17:06:05 GMT
Given teams with far fewer resources have won the league title multiple times, Panthers have underachieved. Consolation trophies won in short series competitions aren't examples of a team taking the entire season seriously. Don't get me wrong, these PO/CC trophies are nice, but they don't speak of a team who consistently hit the ground running and use their superior potential resources to keep such form throughout the season. Injury replacements are a case in point. No, it doesn't guarantee anything, you're right. Nothing guarantees anything. Having the best NM in the league doesn't guarantee you'll be solid at the back because he could have an off night or the defence could let him down. You still want the best NM you can get between the pipes though, rather than scrimping because, you know, we've had good NMs who've had off nights before. Absolute rubbish. They get the fixture list months in advance. I've just managed to book for a rec team to stop in a hotel in a foreign city, I'm sure those professionals in the Panthers management could get their ducks in line to book accommodation within this nation. Less than 200 Bronze tickets at current prices. Yes it's not that simple, but its not that complex either. Panthers have the highest attendances in the league, consistently. Time to repay that loyalty. The lack of league championships doesn't determine if a team is taking things seriously or not. If anyone in British Ice Hockey consistently sits back and say's 'oh well' to not winning the league then they shouldn't be in British Ice Hockey. Winning the Playoffs and CC is a great start and Corey is a consistent trophy raiser but always has the disappointment at not winning the league. We've won 3 trophies since winning the league, which isn't exactly a statistic he should be fired for. As for injury replacements.. It'd be great to get a couple over the season but they only seem to work out well if they're brought in from the start as cover rather than mid season. It hasn't exactly worked very well previously when signing players mid-season, bar Quick and MacDonald which were i suppose, diamonds in the rough when you think back to all the tosh we've signed mid-season in previous years. But as i'm sure you know, it's not exactly easy to find quality or decent quality injury cover late in the season. As for the accomodation side, fair enough, answered that point very well so that's put that one to bed. Then for the ticket prices etc.. They don't go straight into Panther's pockets. The arena will get a large proportion of that otherwise we wouldn't have managed to have it as our home for so long. Neil Black likes to give a decent budget to work with but nothing excessively more than our direct competitors, probably a bit less infact than Steelers and possibly Belfast. Black will, for the right reasons, allow us to spend a little bit more when required and that generally seems to be times when we hit desperation such as signing a replacement goalie. It'd be wrong to look past our membership with the EHC though, we don't make as much money as people think, Steelers don't make as much money as people think, nobody in the league makes as much as people think. We and others might break even, maybe even have a decent profit but nothing to significantly change how the club is run and who we sign. Back to the point of the topic anyway, assuming (rightly or wrongly) that we proceed to the 3rd Round in Odense, that is also a slight nightmare of a place to get to. The easiest option would be a flight to Copenhagen and then a Train to Odense, takes just over an hour. The local airport in Odense only seems to offer tourism based flights and generally through the summer. Meaning the nearest airport would be either Copenhagen or Sønderborg, both are a similar distance away from Odense. Flights to Copenhagen on the dates for the 3rd Round are £25 with Ryanair so whilst it's still a bit of a pain to get to, it'll be a lot cheaper than Jaca. It must be noted though, Odense's rink is an absolute shed. Quite similar to Hull's rink but looks a lot older, it also has standing sections at each end. You need to do some simple arithmetic if you think that the arena take a large proportion of ticket revenue. |
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Post by iginla on Jun 29, 2016 19:26:41 GMT
The lack of league championships doesn't determine if a team is taking things seriously or not. If anyone in British Ice Hockey consistently sits back and say's 'oh well' to not winning the league then they shouldn't be in British Ice Hockey. Winning the Playoffs and CC is a great start and Corey is a consistent trophy raiser but always has the disappointment at not winning the league. We've won 3 trophies since winning the league, which isn't exactly a statistic he should be fired for. As for injury replacements.. It'd be great to get a couple over the season but they only seem to work out well if they're brought in from the start as cover rather than mid season. It hasn't exactly worked very well previously when signing players mid-season, bar Quick and MacDonald which were i suppose, diamonds in the rough when you think back to all the tosh we've signed mid-season in previous years. But as i'm sure you know, it's not exactly easy to find quality or decent quality injury cover late in the season. As for the accomodation side, fair enough, answered that point very well so that's put that one to bed. Then for the ticket prices etc.. They don't go straight into Panther's pockets. The arena will get a large proportion of that otherwise we wouldn't have managed to have it as our home for so long. Neil Black likes to give a decent budget to work with but nothing excessively more than our direct competitors, probably a bit less infact than Steelers and possibly Belfast. Black will, for the right reasons, allow us to spend a little bit more when required and that generally seems to be times when we hit desperation such as signing a replacement goalie. It'd be wrong to look past our membership with the EHC though, we don't make as much money as people think, Steelers don't make as much money as people think, nobody in the league makes as much as people think. We and others might break even, maybe even have a decent profit but nothing to significantly change how the club is run and who we sign. Back to the point of the topic anyway, assuming (rightly or wrongly) that we proceed to the 3rd Round in Odense, that is also a slight nightmare of a place to get to. The easiest option would be a flight to Copenhagen and then a Train to Odense, takes just over an hour. The local airport in Odense only seems to offer tourism based flights and generally through the summer. Meaning the nearest airport would be either Copenhagen or Sønderborg, both are a similar distance away from Odense. Flights to Copenhagen on the dates for the 3rd Round are £25 with Ryanair so whilst it's still a bit of a pain to get to, it'll be a lot cheaper than Jaca. It must be noted though, Odense's rink is an absolute shed. Quite similar to Hull's rink but looks a lot older, it also has standing sections at each end. You need to do some simple arithmetic if you think that the arena take a large proportion of ticket revenue. Indeed they do FS. Have you ever thought Pantherb,just where £70k per home game goes from ticket sales,when the arena only costs them £14k per game ? Because there are no other really big costs other than player wages at about £15k per week. That's a lot of profit ! As for getting to Odense for the continental cup. Mmmm,if we do what we usually do,it will be a coach to a port somewhere,over on the ferry,then a ten hour drive through about three different countries ! |
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Post by EMB on Jun 29, 2016 22:38:45 GMT
That's a real shame he was a nice guy and very passionate about media, he came on a couple of the bus trips and people were asking him about doing certain things on social media, he was full of ideas but said his hands were tied as to what and how much he could do. He also said it was NB that bought him in because he realised they needed someone to increase the media output and interaction on a full time basis. Wish the young lad well, the returning guys will miss him a lot.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jul 7, 2016 20:17:08 GMT
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Post by PantherB on Jul 7, 2016 20:21:23 GMT
Corey is under pressure from owner, Neil Black to ensure Panthers make the Continental Cup their priority and that the team progress to the final and later, returning as winners. Black goes on to blame Coventry for Panthers not being able to start in the 3rd Round, due to their less than satisfactory attempt. Fixture congestion doesn't seem to be a problem for Black either, saying that we will 'Have to get on with it'. The final point he makes is that Panthers will be playing with 14 imports in the competition compared to what he says, 10 imports, the last time we was in it. Whilst his optimism is welcoming, realistically, it's quite surprising to hear. Expecting Corey to focus majorly on the Continental Cup and not the League. Perhaps though, for once people may begin to aim their blame a bit higher up from Corey come the end of the season when we inevitably don't win the league. www.nottinghampost.com/continental-cup-a-major-priority-for-nottingham-panthers-says-owner/story-29488743-detail/story.html |
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jul 7, 2016 20:32:53 GMT
He better get spending then... Those 'studs' we're talking to will have to be good!
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Post by PantherB on Jul 7, 2016 20:55:44 GMT
He better get spending then... Those 'studs' we're talking to will have to be good! The teams in the CC aren't good enough to justify throwing wads of money at players, the CHL would be though. If we had a more spread out schedule we probably wouldn't have a massive issue of progressing to the latter rounds. I'd hope that we'd be looking into a couple injury cover players though. I know Schmidt is still in Nottingham and i've heard he's looking into staying in the UK, can't see him returning to play full time but i can't imagine he'd reject the opportunity to be injury cover for us. Keep him active and around people he knows, plus earn himself a little bit of money when called upon. |
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Post by PantherG on Jul 7, 2016 21:17:46 GMT
Don't give a rats arse about the CC... Sheffield will be laughing their buts off that we are prepared to sacrifice our season in pursuit of a cup very few cares about.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jul 7, 2016 22:31:41 GMT
To me this is good choice, if we can keep up and make a stand in the CC then it can only be good for both the club and league. Personally i don't even see the league title as the best to win, it's not a hockey trophy. Whilst i understand the hunger for the League Title i do not see what the obsession with it is all about.
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Post by iginla on Jul 7, 2016 23:12:10 GMT
I can't believe i just read that from Neil Black.
Well i can actually from him,it's no wonder his own GM calls him the "Euro Snob".
To base and risk your whole season on a 2nd rate European cup is just madness and to then think we will win it is just foolish wishful thinking.
Already we know exactly what will happen.
We will win the round in Spain comfortably,then when we get to Denmark and actually play some decent teams.....it will be goodnight Panthers !
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Post by tootootrain on Jul 8, 2016 10:20:07 GMT
Sounds like the organisation are getting their excuses in very early for the 2016-2017 season.
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Post by Yotes on Jul 8, 2016 11:44:13 GMT
Odd. I'd love to see them win the Conti Cup, but the major priority should be the Elite League.
Are we even likely to win the thing?
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Post by BigLad on Jul 8, 2016 12:17:00 GMT
Odd. I'd love to see them win the Conti Cup, but the major priority should be the Elite League. Are we even likely to win the thing? We should qualify for the 3rd round, where the format has now changed in that the top 2 qualify for the final apparently. A place in the final should be our aim, then who knows? Winning the Conti Cup guarantees a place in the following seasons CHL too. |
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Post by Yotes on Jul 8, 2016 14:46:44 GMT
When we got done by the officials in Italy, that wasn't the final round was it?
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Post by Yotes on Oct 2, 2016 22:24:44 GMT
Group A has now finished, so we know we're playing HK Liepaja (Latvia), CH Jaca (Spain) and Zeytinburnu Istanbul (Turkey) in a couple of weeks.
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Post by iginla on Oct 2, 2016 22:57:43 GMT
Group A has now finished, so we know we're playing HK Liepaja (Latvia), CH Jaca (Spain) and Zeytinburnu Istanbul (Turkey) in a couple of weeks. Not the most inspiring set of fixtures is it ? Roll on Denmark ! |
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Post by BigLad on Oct 3, 2016 11:38:03 GMT
Group A has now finished, so we know we're playing HK Liepaja (Latvia), CH Jaca (Spain) and Zeytinburnu Istanbul (Turkey) in a couple of weeks. Not the most inspiring set of fixtures is it ? Roll on Denmark ! That confident of progressing despite the long history of EIHL teams being on the dodgy end of officiating? |
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Post by EMB on Oct 3, 2016 13:33:57 GMT
Not the most inspiring set of fixtures is it ? Roll on Denmark ! That confident of progressing despite the long history of EIHL teams being on the dodgy end of officiating? Plus dont forget the team are probably driving there which is a 15 hours drive apparently. We dont help ourselves sometimes if true, unless we leave Tues/Wed |
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Post by PantherB on Oct 3, 2016 17:46:12 GMT
That confident of progressing despite the long history of EIHL teams being on the dodgy end of officiating? Plus dont forget the team are probably driving there which is a 15 hours drive apparently. We dont help ourselves sometimes if true, unless we leave Tues/Wed Way more than 15 hours being on a Coach. It'd require an overnight stop too, but I'd assume they might go via Ferry to Bilbao. If we don't beat these teams by more than 3 goals then questions need asking. We're light years better than all in our group. It'd be an incredible embarrassment if we don't proceed with ease |
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Post by EMB on Oct 3, 2016 20:33:47 GMT
Naahhhh we only travel on the day, remember the Hamburg trip?
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