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Post by PantherB on Jun 9, 2016 16:45:55 GMT
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Post by wgray on Jun 9, 2016 16:52:24 GMT
Interesting read, good work by Matt Davies of the post in finding this stuff out, revealing more than the club itself will. Something else which has got me thinking is the fact that it states the article the club recently signed Matt Carter, however not as a replacement for Mosey, does this mean we are looking at Juraj and another forward to fill the space Mosey left? I hope so
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Post by iginla on Jun 9, 2016 17:27:57 GMT
Hope he does come back,Kolnik was our best player by a country mile last season,but we already knew he was offered a return and was still pondering it.
If he doesn't though,we certainly need a similar or higher quality replacement.
Would we be a better team than last year though.
Assuming he came back,that would mean the only forward changes made would be bringing in Brown and Carter for Bohmbach,Mosey and Myers......that says to me we are not even as strong as last years 5th placed team !
Those three Dmen we have left to sign have got to be damn good to make a big difference.
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Post by Ghost on Jun 9, 2016 17:28:56 GMT
Don't want him back if he's going to change his mind mid way through the season. As understandable as that would be it leaves us right in the poo!
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Post by iginla on Jun 9, 2016 17:32:46 GMT
Don't want him back if he's going to change his mind mid way through the season. As understandable as that would be it leaves us right in the poo! I thought exactly the same,if he comes back it's got to be for the season......we don't want another Ling type mess up ! |
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Post by nate24 on Jun 9, 2016 17:51:11 GMT
Don't want him back if he's going to change his mind mid way through the season. As understandable as that would be it leaves us right in the poo! That is why he is taking so long to consider the offer. If he signs at least Neilson knows he has thought it through under little pressure. |
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 9, 2016 19:20:47 GMT
I want a play making winger as our lat signing but i would take kolnik. Hes a proven player and is good for a lot of goals. That would probably make our top lines.
Kolnik-Moran-Schultz
Carter-Lawrence-Brown
Id take that if we still have 3 studs to sign on d.
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Post by Ghost on Jun 9, 2016 19:26:52 GMT
Don't want him back if he's going to change his mind mid way through the season. As understandable as that would be it leaves us right in the poo! That is why he is taking so long to consider the offer. If he signs at least Neilson knows he has thought it through under little pressure. Which is what I'm saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 19:37:16 GMT
What's the betting Koko has already made up his mind and Matt Davies is just building up this signing;) this could be oldish news.
Just a thought
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 9, 2016 19:42:27 GMT
I want a play making winger as our lat signing but i would take kolnik. Hes a proven player and is good for a lot of goals. That would probably make our top lines. Kolnik-Moran-Schultz Carter-Lawrence-Brown Id take that if we still have 3 studs to sign on d. That would be fine as long as we sign a Brit centre to replace Myers. Without one line 3 or 4 would be a mess. Also without one we'd only have 12 forwards which would make it difficult to play 4 lines on a regular basis. |
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Post by iginla on Jun 9, 2016 19:44:32 GMT
What's the betting Koko has already made up his mind and Matt Davies is just building up this signing;) this could be oldish news. Just a thought Very probable Pidge. Especially the way GM likes to partake in silly games and play the fans ! If Kolnik hasn't made his mind up then how long do we give him.......season starts in 11 weeks is it ? I mean,we aren't talking a bit part player here,this or his replacement is our No 1 stud forward. |
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Post by kievthegreat on Jun 9, 2016 20:03:53 GMT
I want a play making winger as our lat signing but i would take kolnik. Hes a proven player and is good for a lot of goals. That would probably make our top lines. Kolnik-Moran-Schultz Carter-Lawrence-Brown Id take that if we still have 3 studs to sign on d. That would be fine as long as we sign a Brit centre to replace Myers. Without one line 3 or 4 would be a mess. Also without one we'd only have 12 forwards which would make it difficult to play 4 lines on a regular basis. Would you hypothetically accept Betteridge filling Myers boots (which CN hinted at) and bringing up another youngster* to fill that 13th forward? I could probably live with that. *I don't know who, I would have said Connor Glossop but he's gone to Peterborough. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 9, 2016 20:28:10 GMT
That would be fine as long as we sign a Brit centre to replace Myers. Without one line 3 or 4 would be a mess. Also without one we'd only have 12 forwards which would make it difficult to play 4 lines on a regular basis. Would you hypothetically accept Betteridge filling Myers boots (which CN hinted at) and bringing up another youngster* to fill that 13th forward? I could probably live with that. *I don't know who, I would have said Connor Glossop but he's gone to Peterborough. Well I'd say that 13 forwards is better than 12 but who would centre the 3rd and 4th lines. Logan one of them but I'm not sure would could do the other one. Possibly Clarke I suppose. He's taken quite a few face offs over the years. |
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Post by iginla on Jun 9, 2016 20:31:44 GMT
That would be fine as long as we sign a Brit centre to replace Myers. Without one line 3 or 4 would be a mess. Also without one we'd only have 12 forwards which would make it difficult to play 4 lines on a regular basis. Would you hypothetically accept Betteridge filling Myers boots (which CN hinted at) and bringing up another youngster* to fill that 13th forward? I could probably live with that. I could live with that even though Betteridge is a big downgrade on Myers.......But only IF the money saved on Myers/Betteridge is spent on a serious upgrade on either the last import forward or the D. A team that finished 5th and has brought back 85% of the same team,but lost Myers too,can only improve IF the new 15% is seriously upgraded on last season ! |
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Post by fishman on Jun 9, 2016 20:47:07 GMT
Panther's seem to loose an awful lot of face offs last season even with Myers in the side, Panthers must have a top faceoff guy or be great at retrieving the puck, can't be relying on the like of Lacko to win faceoffs!!!!!!!!!
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Post by pantherman66 on Jun 9, 2016 22:23:06 GMT
I think the reason we finished fifth is because Wiikman was injured for nearly half the season, along with lengthy injuries to Schultz, Dinmen and Waugh. I know injuries are part and parcel of ice hockey, but we were hit particularly hard. If we are going with five D-men, which seems to be the case, (something we never did last year) as long as they are the standard you would hope for, then we will have a very hard team to beat, given a fair deal with injuries.
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Post by pantherman66 on Jun 9, 2016 22:24:44 GMT
I think the reason we finished fifth is because Wiikman was injured for nearly half the season, along with lengthy injuries to Schultz, Dinmen and Waugh. I know injuries are part and parcel of ice hockey, but we were hit particularly hard. If we are going with five D-men, which seems to be the case, (something we never did last year) as long as they are the standard you would hope for, then we will have a very hard team to beat, given a fair deal with injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:36:51 GMT
I think the reason we finished fifth is because Wiikman was injured for nearly half the season, along with lengthy injuries to Schultz, Dinmen and Waugh. I know injuries are part and parcel of ice hockey, but we were hit particularly hard. If we are going with five D-men, which seems to be the case, (something we never did last year) as long as they are the standard you would hope for, then we will have a very hard team to beat, given a fair deal with injuries. 2 points..... 1, Wiikman wasn't out for nearly half the season..... That aside the crucial period for me was just when he got injured & the Panthers failure to either a). Judge the severity of the injury correctly or b). Not bringing in Maldolora/suitable replacement when the severity was known. 2, Blaming injuries is plain rubbish..... Every team gets injuries, it's how you cope with them that's important. Waugh was obviously out for a while & we didn't get a suitable replacement, as with Dimmen. Panthers either cut corners budget wise & decided not to bring in replacements until far too late (Black/Moran) or our coach (Neilson) decided we didn't need replacements & only realised too late that we did. That's why our title challenge collapsed. Due to the organisations failure to suitably cover for the injured players. |
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Post by PantherB on Jun 9, 2016 22:51:11 GMT
I think the reason we finished fifth is because Wiikman was injured for nearly half the season, along with lengthy injuries to Schultz, Dinmen and Waugh. I know injuries are part and parcel of ice hockey, but we were hit particularly hard. If we are going with five D-men, which seems to be the case, (something we never did last year) as long as they are the standard you would hope for, then we will have a very hard team to beat, given a fair deal with injuries. 2 points..... 1, Wiikman wasn't out for nearly half the season..... That aside the crucial period for me was just when he got injured & the Panthers failure to either a). Judge the severity of the injury correctly or b). Not bringing in Maldolora/suitable replacement when the severity was known. 2, Blaming injuries is plain rubbish..... Every team gets injuries, it's how you cope with them that's important. Waugh was obviously out for a while & we didn't get a suitable replacement, as with Dimmen. Panthers either cut corners budget wise & decided not to bring in replacements until far too late (Black/Moran) or our coach (Neilson) decided we didn't need replacements & only realised too late that we did. That's why our title challenge collapsed. Due to the organisations failure to suitably cover for the injured players. The thing with goalies, they don't particularly like having to compete for starting position in this league. Same happened with Kowalski. I'd assume it's a case of Miika saying he's good to play and Corey/Poundy having no choice but to trust in what he says because obviously they aren't Miika so they can't say if something still hurst or is sore. Miika was out for 12 games and Madolora was bought in fairly quickly during Miika's longer stint out injured. The other games he missed were, in my opinion, fine being played by Green. I love Miika and he's the reason we won the two trophies but he's also the likely reason we failed to win the league. With injury comes inconsistency and we can only assume Miika wasn't telling the truth in some of his few return from injury games. Which begs the question, should we get a second import goalie? We've got to remember the impact the departure of Ling had too, take away one of the best players on the team and in the league, our chances were bound to decline as a result and he's one of those who isn't exactly easy to replace. Bringing in cover isn't easy though, the new Visa Requirements make things a lot more difficult and to find a fit, starting quality goalie is obviously very difficult unless you want to pay a fair amount. We were incredibly luck to have signed MacDonald and Quick too, chances of signing those type players at such a late stage in the season must be slim but i guess at the time, we had a bit of luck. |
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Post by pantherman66 on Jun 9, 2016 22:53:38 GMT
Wiikman was probably only FULLY fit for half the season. I did also say that injuries are part and parcel of the game, and may or may not occur, but in my opinion it was the reason why we finished fifth. I didn't realise my post was going to be used as something to beat the organisation with. I was merely replying to iginla's opinion of how a club can only improve if they re-sign 85% of last year's team.
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Post by iginla on Jun 9, 2016 23:49:53 GMT
I think the reason we finished fifth is because Wiikman was injured for nearly half the season, along with lengthy injuries to Schultz, Dinmen and Waugh. I know injuries are part and parcel of ice hockey, but we were hit particularly hard. If we are going with five D-men, which seems to be the case, (something we never did last year) as long as they are the standard you would hope for, then we will have a very hard team to beat, given a fair deal with injuries. We had injuries yes,but we didn't cover them. Sheffield had a load of injuries and major lengthy ones,to Plante,Fretter and Dowd to name just three,which is like us losing Wiikman,Kolnik and Clarkey. And then later Pinc got injured too and they had to play Day for several games so I don't think we can use injuries as an excuse for finishing 5th. We will most probably have injuries next season too,will we have learnt our lesson and replace them quickly like Sheffield did though ? Certainly we can't just say,oh well we will be better this year as last year we had injuries,because we will get some again this coming season. With virtually the same team back,something has to improve for us to be better,especially as Sheffield look even stronger. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 1:06:32 GMT
Wiikman was probably only FULLY fit for half the season. I did also say that injuries are part and parcel of the game, and may or may not occur, but in my opinion it was the reason why we finished fifth. I didn't realise my post was going to be used as something to beat the organisation with. I was merely replying to iginla's opinion of how a club can only improve if they re-sign 85% of last year's team. Hey no problem, all about opinions. Most posts here get back to the organisation eventually. The more I think about it the failure to replace Dimmen's injury was crucial. We coped very well without him, partially due to Mikka's form & the home run of fixtures we had. Perhaps our ability to cope with Dimmen's injury made Neilson believe we would cope with others as well. Maybe. A lot of that is 'what if's' but I'd really like to believe these were coaching decisions rather than ownership issues. I don't like the perception of being short changed. |
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Post by nate24 on Jun 10, 2016 5:43:38 GMT
What's the betting Koko has already made up his mind and Matt Davies is just building up this signing;) this could be oldish news. Just a thought Very probable Pidge. Especially the way GM likes to partake in silly games and play the fans ! If Kolnik hasn't made his mind up then how long do we give him.......season starts in 11 weeks is it ? I mean,we aren't talking a bit part player here,this or his replacement is our No 1 stud forward. GM the man with so little power in a real world context it's embarrassing how much it has gone to his head. |
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