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Post by PantherG on Dec 21, 2015 0:53:25 GMT
From what I hear it had nothing to do with his on ice performance at all. Assume he was an issue in the dressing room? I actually wondered that.. I heard the team is super tight this year and if he is impacting on that there is only one way to go....
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Post by panthersnation on Dec 21, 2015 3:29:44 GMT
From what I hear it had nothing to do with his on ice performance at all. Heard this floating around Manchester last night also.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 21, 2015 4:52:28 GMT
Imo this move was to shut up the naysayers and keep people happy. He wasn't as bad as a few on the defence line. Scapegoat for the management's failure. To me this reads as an excuse. The system needs work and it's Corey's job to work around the players he signs and make the best out of their strengths. I almost want Hardy to sign elsewhere in the league and to prove people wrong. But as long as the fans are happy who cares right?
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Post by Higgy on Dec 21, 2015 7:00:11 GMT
And the fact he was forever giving possession away and was out of position most of the time costing us goals.
And yes I know some others have done this a lot this season but Hardy seemed prime culprit in the small time he was here.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 21, 2015 7:06:22 GMT
Imo this move was to shut up the naysayers and keep people happy. He wasn't as bad as a few on the defence line. Scapegoat for the management's failure. To me this reads as an excuse. The system needs work and it's Corey's job to work around the players he signs and make the best out of their strengths. I almost want Hardy to sign elsewhere in the league and to prove people wrong. But as long as the fans are happy who cares right? But before hardy signed the D didn't need work, we were very strong defensively until he came in. I don't think he was a bad player but he upset the balance and chemistry of the defence.
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Post by nate24 on Dec 21, 2015 22:16:22 GMT
Proof that just getting any healthy import on the bench isn't a good thing.
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 21, 2015 22:58:31 GMT
Proof that just getting any healthy import on the bench isn't a good thing. To be fair most positons you can get away with it even if they dont set the world alight. Attacking d-men is about the one main exeption because they can actively cost you games if they dont execute properly because if the nature of the role. For the record im not a fan of getting people in for the sake of it unless your carrying a silly amount of injuries.
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Post by Dan on Dec 22, 2015 13:12:28 GMT
Happy with Hardy going,good decision. He wasn't good enough,looked like he thought he was far better than he actually was,tried to pull off far too many flashy moves,not bad going forward but didn't do his job at the back and left it wide open. I wouldn't have wanted to be his D partner that's for sure ! I agree, rushing in imports for the sake of it is probably a bad idea.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 22, 2015 16:08:28 GMT
Imo this move was to shut up the naysayers and keep people happy. He wasn't as bad as a few on the defence line. Scapegoat for the management's failure. To me this reads as an excuse. The system needs work and it's Corey's job to work around the players he signs and make the best out of their strengths. I almost want Hardy to sign elsewhere in the league and to prove people wrong. But as long as the fans are happy who cares right? But before hardy signed the D didn't need work, we were very strong defensively until he came in. I don't think he was a bad player but he upset the balance and chemistry of the defence. I wouldn't say we were even that strong defensively. Dimmen Schmidt and Wiikman were carrying the weight and the forwards bailed us out half the time. First few games were absolutely fine so i dont buy that one bit one guy doesn't upset two other pairings he doesn't play with. He would have been icing less than 20 mins a game and he can't upset the whole forward units. It's a bait and switch to shut up disjointed fans. But with the club they'll never give us a definitive reason so null and void on both sides of the arguments i guess.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 22, 2015 16:17:01 GMT
But before hardy signed the D didn't need work, we were very strong defensively until he came in. I don't think he was a bad player but he upset the balance and chemistry of the defence. I wouldn't say we were even that strong defensively. Dimmen Schmidt and Wiikman were carrying the weight and the forwards bailed us out half the time. First few games were absolutely fine so i dont buy that one bit one guy doesn't upset two other pairings he doesn't play with. He would have been icing less than 20 mins a game and he can't upset the whole forward units. It's a bait and switch to shut up disjointed fans. But with the club they'll never give us a definitive reason so null and void on both sides of the arguments i guess. Less than 2 goals a game conceded on average before Hardy signed, more than 4 conceded a game after.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 22, 2015 16:22:18 GMT
I wouldn't say we were even that strong defensively. Dimmen Schmidt and Wiikman were carrying the weight and the forwards bailed us out half the time. First few games were absolutely fine so i dont buy that one bit one guy doesn't upset two other pairings he doesn't play with. He would have been icing less than 20 mins a game and he can't upset the whole forward units. It's a bait and switch to shut up disjointed fans. But with the club they'll never give us a definitive reason so null and void on both sides of the arguments i guess. Less than 2 goals a game conceded on average before Hardy signed, more than 4 conceded a game after. Amd how many soft goals were let in by a banged up Wiikman? How many away game were in that percentage? Who was actually on the ice for those goals? If you look deeper into the stats you can clearly see it wasn't Hardy at fault for the majority ot was other pairings and a compact schedule away from home. Offensive D men leave gaps yes as that seems to be what people believe to be his fault but it is a coaches job to teach his forwards to cover those gaps. A mixture of poor coaching and laziness has contributed more to this poor run than just one guy. It's a team sport at which they all share ice time, you can't honestly be telling me you believe one guy has managed to tip the scales of at least 12 players he would barely or never seen ice time with?
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Post by nate24 on Dec 22, 2015 16:24:13 GMT
GM has been present for a lot more losses than him. Gas him and get a forward thinking GM.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 22, 2015 17:41:44 GMT
Less than 2 goals a game conceded on average before Hardy signed, more than 4 conceded a game after. Amd how many soft goals were let in by a banged up Wiikman? How many away game were in that percentage? Who was actually on the ice for those goals? If you look deeper into the stats you can clearly see it wasn't Hardy at fault for the majority ot was other pairings and a compact schedule away from home. Offensive D men leave gaps yes as that seems to be what people believe to be his fault but it is a coaches job to teach his forwards to cover those gaps. A mixture of poor coaching and laziness has contributed more to this poor run than just one guy. It's a team sport at which they all share ice time, you can't honestly be telling me you believe one guy has managed to tip the scales of at least 12 players he would barely or never seen ice time with? No, and if you bothered to read an earlier post on that then you would know that. Also, yes I included away games in those figures. Can you tell me exactly when Wiikman got injured? And are you telling me that it's coincidence that we only conceded two against the storm against a very good set of forwards even with the backup goalie in? You can argue as much as you like, I am just using stats here. How about you enlighten me and tell me what makes Hardy a better D man than say Waugh, Dimmen and Schmidt?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:01:37 GMT
From what I hear it had nothing to do with his on ice performance at all. Oohhh, tell us more!!
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Post by Yotes on Dec 22, 2015 18:17:51 GMT
And are you telling me that it's coincidence that we only conceded two against the storm against a very good set of forwards even with the backup goalie in? Yes it is. We beat the Clan in Glasgow, a better team than the worst team in the league Storm, with the backup in and Hardy in the defence in front of him. The backup being in should always focus minds in front of him, it was also a game we had to win really, after the night before. You can argue as much as you like, I am just using stats here. You're using a very basic stat to hang our downturn on one guy. I'd think more likely we were over performing defensively in the early stage of the season and we've simply regressed towards a more realistic level, that could be for a number of reasons, including Hardy being a poor pickup, but I think if we're expecting to become solid as a rock again we might end up disappointed.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 22, 2015 18:18:10 GMT
From what I hear it had nothing to do with his on ice performance at all. Oohhh, tell us more!! That was all I was told. Even the rest of the team didn't know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:20:37 GMT
That was all I was told. Even the rest of the team didn't know. Well that's deflated my ball. Spoil sport.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 22, 2015 18:22:21 GMT
That was all I was told. Even the rest of the team didn't know. Well that's deflated my ball. Spoil sport. Sorry But I do understand that it was nothing to do with anything he did on the ice.
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Post by rjc on Dec 22, 2015 21:08:45 GMT
And are you telling me that it's coincidence that we only conceded two against the storm against a very good set of forwards even with the backup goalie in? Yes it is. We beat the Clan in Glasgow, a better team than the worst team in the league Storm, with the backup in and Hardy in the defence in front of him. The backup being in should always focus minds in front of him, it was also a game we had to win really, after the night before. You can argue as much as you like, I am just using stats here. You're using a very basic stat to hang our downturn on one guy. I'd think more likely we were over performing defensively in the early stage of the season and we've simply regressed towards a more realistic level, that could be for a number of reasons, including Hardy being a poor pickup, but I think if we're expecting to become solid as a rock again we might end up disappointed.
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Post by rjc on Dec 22, 2015 21:14:41 GMT
TBF though Yates, in Breahead Hardy was benched for the 3rd period and had fewer shifts against Fife.
When you look at the guys in warm up everyone is pretty pally and cracking jokes, Hardy was wasn't one of them.
I'm hoping this will see the D get back to doing their stuff as they showed us at the start of the season.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 23, 2015 1:40:18 GMT
Didn't see either game so I'll take your word for it, however had fewer shifts against Fife We lost that one too, and by plenty, which would lend weight to the idea Hardy wasn't solely to blame wouldn't it, if he didn't participate much?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 23, 2015 2:33:26 GMT
Didn't see either game so I'll take your word for it, however had fewer shifts against Fife We lost that one too, and by plenty, which would lend weight to the idea Hardy wasn't solely to blame wouldn't it, if he didn't participate much? To be fair the entire team looked exhausted by the Sunday.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jan 18, 2016 15:12:14 GMT
Is he saying we aren't nice and don't have good, healthy food ?? When I saw that had I almost dropped my sausage roll into my beer
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