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Post by Ghost on Nov 12, 2015 20:21:56 GMT
Whilst watching an SHL game on TV I noticed that each time a play went offside or a team iced the puck the announcer would say 'offside' or 'icing' over the tannoy.
I think at times for newbies it must seem like the referees and linesman stop play randomly when they feel like it. At least with this they would understand it is for a reason, even without actually understanding the rule behind it.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 20:56:18 GMT
Learn the rules on-line perhaps? Not difficult with you tube & all that.
Offside is obvious, if offside needs explaining twice then I'd question how you get dressed in the Morning. Icing is a little more complicated, especially in UK league where they tend to not call some pretty obvious occurrences.
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Post by Ghost on Nov 12, 2015 21:12:10 GMT
Learn the rules on-line perhaps? Not difficult with you tube & all that. Offside is obvious, if offside needs explaining twice then I'd question how you get dressed in the Morning. Icing is a little more complicated, especially in UK league where they tend to not call some pretty obvious occurrences. Offside is most certainly not obvious to someone who's never been before. If you read the post, the announcement would only be to explain why play had been whistled down. I've witnessed people be frustrated when play is stopped for offside or especially icing. The announcement would make it clear that there is a reason for the stoppage. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 21:44:48 GMT
Learn the rules on-line perhaps? Not difficult with you tube & all that. Offside is obvious, if offside needs explaining twice then I'd question how you get dressed in the Morning. Icing is a little more complicated, especially in UK league where they tend to not call some pretty obvious occurrences. Offside is most certainly not obvious to someone who's never been before. If you read the post, the announcement would only be to explain why play had been whistled down. I've witnessed people be frustrated when play is stopped for offside or especially icing. The announcement would make it clear that there is a reason for the stoppage. I did read the post. It's kind of a prerequisite on internet forums. How many people at Panthers games don't know the rules do you think? I'd have a guess at 20% for Steelers games and 5% for all the others. Let's cater for the minority by all means. That's the British thing to do. |
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Post by Ghost on Nov 12, 2015 21:58:22 GMT
Offside is most certainly not obvious to someone who's never been before. If you read the post, the announcement would only be to explain why play had been whistled down. I've witnessed people be frustrated when play is stopped for offside or especially icing. The announcement would make it clear that there is a reason for the stoppage. I did read the post. It's kind of a prerequisite on internet forums. How many people at Panthers games don't know the rules do you think? I'd have a guess at 20% for Steelers games and 5% for all the others. Let's cater for the minority by all means. That's the British thing to do. How would disadvantage the people who do know the rules though? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 22:14:19 GMT
I did read the post. It's kind of a prerequisite on internet forums. How many people at Panthers games don't know the rules do you think? I'd have a guess at 20% for Steelers games and 5% for all the others. Let's cater for the minority by all means. That's the British thing to do. How would disadvantage the people who do know the rules though? It wouldn't overly, other than potentially further damaging the poor match day experience. Can I ask you a question.....? Thanks. Do we do this in any other 'similar' sport? |
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Post by Ghost on Nov 12, 2015 22:18:22 GMT
How would disadvantage the people who do know the rules though? It wouldn't overly, other than potentially further damaging the poor match day experience. Can I ask you a question.....? Thanks. Do we do this in any other 'similar' sport? I wouldn't say it would damage the experience. Of course you can, it's the only way you learn  We even do it in our sport - in other leagues and even in our own to a certain extent. The announcer announces a penalty being called although every hockey fan understands the gesture for each penalty. I just personally feel it would make the sport more accessible or understandable to people who have very little or no experience of the sport. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 22:25:46 GMT
Ok, I almost agree with you then.
Although there is a fine line between suitable fan education and pointless tat which I'd have little faith in the Panthers organization judging correctly.
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Post by Ghost on Nov 12, 2015 22:34:17 GMT
Ok, I almost agree with you then. Although there is a fine line between suitable fan education and pointless tat which I'd have little faith in the Panthers organization judging correctly. Prime example - a woman sat in front of me at the Giants game last week. With whistles constantly blowing that were sometimes explained and sometimes not she was constantly complaining that she had no idea what was going on, as a result she will probably never return. There will be many more ways to combat this issue but I feel this particular method is simple, not intrusive or annoying to regular fans and has already been used in other leagues where the game is much bigger than the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 23:23:48 GMT
How about an attempt to at least learn some of the rules pre game?
It's a fast flowing sport, how much explanation is necessary to enjoy it.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 13, 2015 0:33:06 GMT
Prime example - a woman sat in front of me at the Giants game last week. With whistles constantly blowing that were sometimes explained and sometimes not she was constantly complaining that she had no idea what was going on, as a result she will probably never return. As you say in the OP though, had she known that the whistle had gone for "offside" or "icing", she's still none the wiser. Unless there's some further explanation to go with it, does it help her? It wouldn't annoy me or anything, but not sure it'd help too much, would still need the newbie to put in some effort to understand it. |
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Post by Ghost on Nov 13, 2015 6:58:25 GMT
Prime example - a woman sat in front of me at the Giants game last week. With whistles constantly blowing that were sometimes explained and sometimes not she was constantly complaining that she had no idea what was going on, as a result she will probably never return. As you say in the OP though, had she known that the whistle had gone for "offside" or "icing", she's still none the wiser. Unless there's some further explanation to go with it, does it help her? It wouldn't annoy me or anything, but not sure it'd help too much, would still need the newbie to put in some effort to understand it. I would say so but you guys obviously disagree! Just a thought.. |
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Post by nate24 on Nov 13, 2015 10:31:31 GMT
As you say in the OP though, had she known that the whistle had gone for "offside" or "icing", she's still none the wiser. Unless there's some further explanation to go with it, does it help her? It wouldn't annoy me or anything, but not sure it'd help too much, would still need the newbie to put in some effort to understand it. I would say so but you guys obviously disagree! Just a thought.. I think it's a great idea that causes no harm. Some people really need to reserve their cynism for something more worthy. If you are on Twitter Ghost, tweet the idea to Stef and Ken who do the announcements. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 13, 2015 11:22:34 GMT
Why is it cynical? If you're at the game for the first time, the whistle goes and Ken/Stef says "Icing", what question are you asking? I've no issue with trying to help people get the rules, I just don't particularly agree that knowing the word for why a whistle has gone does that, to any great degree.
Maybe ask GM to put together some basic rules of hockey videos and put them on the website, or play them pre-game/between periods on the board?
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Post by nate24 on Nov 13, 2015 11:42:10 GMT
Why is it cynical? If you're at the game for the first time, the whistle goes and Ken/Stef says "Icing", what question are you asking? I've no issue with trying to help people get the rules, I just don't particularly agree that knowing the word for why a whistle has gone does that, to any great degree. Maybe ask GM to put together some basic rules of hockey videos and put them on the website, or play them pre-game/between periods on the board? It was more Jordanooooooo tone in his post post sorry. My bad on quoting. It's rare I actually disagree with Jordanoooooo but I feel he is off the mark on this one. I don't think there were would be any problem at least trialing it. |
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Post by Ghost on Nov 13, 2015 12:39:39 GMT
Why is it cynical? If you're at the game for the first time, the whistle goes and Ken/Stef says "Icing", what question are you asking? I've no issue with trying to help people get the rules, I just don't particularly agree that knowing the word for why a whistle has gone does that, to any great degree. Maybe ask GM to put together some basic rules of hockey videos and put them on the website, or play them pre-game/between periods on the board? I think that is a good idea Yotes, especially before/during the game. |
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Post by Dan on Nov 13, 2015 13:03:49 GMT
It'd certainly be annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 15:23:02 GMT
Why is it cynical? If you're at the game for the first time, the whistle goes and Ken/Stef says "Icing", what question are you asking? I've no issue with trying to help people get the rules, I just don't particularly agree that knowing the word for why a whistle has gone does that, to any great degree. Maybe ask GM to put together some basic rules of hockey videos and put them on the website, or play them pre-game/between periods on the board? It was more Jordanooooooo tone in his post post sorry. My bad on quoting. It's rare I actually disagree with Jordanoooooo but I feel he is off the mark on this one. I don't think there were would be any problem at least trialing it. You must be wrong then..... Maybe try re-reading the whole thread again?! |
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Post by Ghost on Nov 13, 2015 16:23:34 GMT
It'd certainly be annoying. Then I'd suggest you are easily annoyed! |
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Post by Dan on Nov 13, 2015 16:52:51 GMT
It'd certainly be annoying. Then I'd suggest you are easily annoyed! Could you imagine sitting there with someone announcing every decision? I agree it'd help newbies a little (although simply telling them what's happened doesn't explain it) but it'd get annoying quite quickly. "Offside" "Offside" "Icing" "What, high sticking?! YOU'RE BLIND!" "Offside" |
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Post by Ghost on Nov 13, 2015 18:14:04 GMT
Then I'd suggest you are easily annoyed! Could you imagine sitting there with someone announcing every decision? I agree it'd help newbies a little (although simply telling them what's happened doesn't explain it) but it'd get annoying quite quickly. "Offside" "Offside" "Icing" "What, high sticking?! YOU'RE BLIND!" "Offside" The point isn't to explain it. It is simply to make it clear there is a reason for the stoppage. People understand the term offside even if they don't understand the ruling, instead of sitting there thinking 'why the hell has he blown the whistle.. Again!' You'd be clear on the reasoning for the stop of play. I personally wouldn't (and didn't in the SHL game) find it annoying. Not sure what the difference is between announcing penalties over the tannoy and offside or icing. Why would it be more annoying? Offside happens more than icing but neither are constant occurrences. |
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Nov 15, 2015 8:43:22 GMT
Newcastle used to do this for at least icing and all it lead to was us as the away fans yelling "Thank you" every time it happened to take the mick!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 10:18:04 GMT
Newcastle used to do this for at least icing and all it lead to was us as the away fans yelling "Thank you" every time it happened to take the mick! Another reason to ridicule our match day experience..... Bound to happen now. |
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Post by Ghost on Nov 15, 2015 11:37:43 GMT
Newcastle used to do this for at least icing and all it lead to was us as the away fans yelling "Thank you" every time it happened to take the mick! Another reason to ridicule our match day experience..... Bound to happen now. You've changed your tune....again.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 12:02:35 GMT
Another reason to ridicule our match day experience..... Bound to happen now. You've changed your tune....again.... |
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