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Post by GuinnessMan on Nov 11, 2015 19:30:11 GMT
Does look like slashing to me in the slow-mo. Not worthy of a match penalty though given what is normally called during a game.
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Post by ted logan on Nov 11, 2015 19:30:55 GMT
By your post, you clearly think he should get something... Why would he get something is the question I'm asking? What would they ban him for? Holding!? Do keep up. Slew footing! He can't keep up this Smyth dude.
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Post by Ghost on Nov 11, 2015 19:31:54 GMT
Can DOPS rescind a match penalty then?
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Post by Yotes on Nov 11, 2015 19:38:14 GMT
Can DOPS rescind a match penalty then? Presumably, although had we played on Sunday I suppose he'd have already sat the ban so...
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Post by Ghost on Nov 11, 2015 19:40:57 GMT
Can DOPS rescind a match penalty then? Presumably, although had we played on Sunday I suppose he'd have already sat the ban so... Was thinking hypothetically. I assume they have the power to remove a ban should the footage provide reason to do so...
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Post by panthersdave on Nov 11, 2015 19:42:08 GMT
Presumably, although had we played on Sunday I suppose he'd have already sat the ban so... Was thinking hypothetically. I assume they have the power to remove a ban should the footage provide reason to do so... No, all teams agreed that if a match penalty is called it will be served. This was due to the practical issues where a team plays two games over a weekend they won't get the chance to review in time. All teams agreed to this policy.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 11, 2015 19:45:20 GMT
Understandable, but surely if it's blindingly obvious it's wrong they'd say something?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 19:52:05 GMT
Understandable, but surely if it's blindingly obvious it's wrong they'd say something? That would make sense... Which means there's no chance of it happening.
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Post by Ghost on Nov 11, 2015 19:52:35 GMT
Was thinking hypothetically. I assume they have the power to remove a ban should the footage provide reason to do so... No, all teams agreed that if a match penalty is called it will be served. This was due to the practical issues where a team plays two games over a weekend they won't get the chance to review in time. All teams agreed to this policy. You'd think then that referees would be instructed to be cautious calling match penalties... Darnell must have missed that memo.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 11, 2015 19:59:17 GMT
You'd think then that referees would be instructed to be cautious calling match penalties... Darnell must have missed that memo. On a GMTV earlier in the season, Gary was saying last year the refs had stopped calling them, leaving it to DOPS to catch them, and that they'd been encouraged to call the penalties as they see fit this year.
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Post by ted logan on Nov 11, 2015 20:09:39 GMT
Clubs can appeal a 2 match ban I believe, but not a 1 game ban. So Ling definitely sits on Saturday.
Hollywood Darnell made a complete horlicks of the call. Seems like DOPS have pretty much bailed him out here by saying he got the MP call right but it was a slashing major rather than kneeing. If they'd rescinded it completely they'd be publicly admitting that their golden boy had got it massively wrong.
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Post by Bolts on Nov 11, 2015 20:13:29 GMT
Must admit, looking carefully at the slow mo I can definitely see a slash onto Lloyd
I think we've got away with one there! Could of been a lot worse
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Post by Peacock on Nov 11, 2015 20:23:19 GMT
i) it was definitely a slash. ii) it wasn't worth a Match penalty.
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Post by Peacock on Nov 11, 2015 20:27:31 GMT
Can DOPS rescind a match penalty then? Think people are getting two scenarios mixed up here. DOPS can downgrade a Match Penalty after reviewing it. If DOPS leave it as a Match Penalty, or upgrade something to a Match Penalty, a team cannot appeal. If DOPS add additional games to the ban, a team can appeal those additional games, but not the original Match Penalty ban. It was explained in the Simon Kirkham interview.
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Post by wgray on Nov 11, 2015 20:29:38 GMT
Correct call from DOPS, not a knee at all, Ling was trying to be sly giving Lloyd a whack as he checked him but unfortunately the fact that he goes down causes the ref to make a call, the ref obviously didn't see the hit and was just guessing at what had happened! At least he doesn't miss the steelers game which is good
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Post by ted logan on Nov 11, 2015 20:43:20 GMT
i) it was definitely a slash. ii) it wasn't worth a Match penalty. Agreed. We'll be looking at a ridiculous amount of players getting thrown out every night if that's the right call.
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Post by iginla on Nov 11, 2015 21:15:17 GMT
Somebody explain please.
Slashing normally brings 2 minutes in the box.......so why did Ling get a match pen for slashing,it wasn't a two handed swing at Lloyds head or anything major ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 21:21:10 GMT
Somebody explain please. Slashing normally brings 2 minutes in the box.......so why did Ling get a match pen for slashing,it wasn't a two handed swing at Lloyds head or anything major ? He did much worse to the back of Bobby Chaumonts legs at the opening faceoff of his return game haha! (Poor bloke got the same treatment on Kelsey Wilsons debut too).
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Post by Bolts on Nov 11, 2015 21:22:20 GMT
If they downgraded it that much they'd probably be undermining Darnell more than they'd want too.
Slash or knee I think it's a dirty play.
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Post by Pies on Nov 11, 2015 21:26:29 GMT
Somebody explain please. Slashing normally brings 2 minutes in the box.......so why did Ling get a match pen for slashing,it wasn't a two handed swing at Lloyds head or anything major ? There slashing when you're trying to win the puck where the intention isn't to injure or cause hadm constitutes a minor. A slash that is used with the intent to injure is a major.
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Post by iginla on Nov 11, 2015 21:32:20 GMT
If that was true Pies then there should or would be dozens and dozens of slashing match pens and suspensions every season.
In this instance,basically Lloyd cheated and Darnell fell for it and guessed,he got it wrong and DOPS were too lily livered to rule against him !
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Post by Pies on Nov 11, 2015 21:45:04 GMT
If that was true Pies then there should or would be dozens and dozens of slashing match pens and suspensions every season. In this instance,basically Lloyd cheated and Darnell fell for it and guessed,he got it wrong and DOPS were too lily livered to rule against him ! I can only state what the rules say. In fairness, his was a major penalty for me.
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Post by iginla on Nov 11, 2015 22:41:35 GMT
So basically it all depends on.
A. If the ref saw the slash. B. That if he did,the ref could tell for sure how hard it was.
Or C. Whether or not he doesn't like the player who slashes,so he guesses and dependant on who it is,either gives him 2 mins or a match pen.
Mmmmm........either the rules or the refs are flawed !!!!!
I would bet my house,that before seasons end we see several bad slashes that don't end in a match pen.
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Post by Mark on Nov 11, 2015 23:37:26 GMT
So basically it all depends on. A. If the ref saw the slash. B. That if he did,the ref could tell for sure how hard it was. Or C. Whether or not he doesn't like the player who slashes,so he guesses and dependant on who it is,either gives him 2 mins or a match pen. Mmmmm........either the rules or the refs are flawed !!!!! I would bet my house,that before seasons end we see several bad slashes that don't end in a match pen. We saw worse in that game. You've hit the nail on the head. The DOPS decision is to bale out Darnell and his poor judgement.
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