|
Post by wgray on Oct 3, 2015 10:32:45 GMT
Reading between the lines Ling was the 13th and final import all along, in regards to the replacement for Peckham I think Corey is waiting for the right player and isnt going to jump into signing anyone especially seen as there is no pressure due to how well the d is playing, if we were leaking goals then I think his hand would be forced, when the right player comes along we will all be pleased
|
|
|
Post by PantherG on Oct 3, 2015 10:37:57 GMT
Who in their right mind would be the owner of an EIHL team at the end of the day it is a business, and the basic objective of a business is to make a profit for the owner/ shareholders - as far as I know Aladdin does not have shareholders, but if they did then I think they would be on here demanding that we spend less so their dividends would be higher - I do not think many would be saying that they would forego this and even may I say give even more money out year-on-year - OK there is an argument regarding the profit from attendances etc. but again Neil Black helped build this club up so he is entitled to be able to make a profit from it - all you hear on here is demands that he gives more and more money, followed by the usual suspects saying they are not going to buy this or that or attend this or that game as it will only increase Neil's profits - If I was him I would probably walk away but the outcry then would be "he was only there for the money" - yes, it's his business Rant over - back to the team - you can please some of the people some of the time but you will never please everyone all of the time - IMHO the team we have this year is the team we were asking for the last two seasons, and has a good balance, and will hopefully win us some trophies, but if not then as long as I get entertained most games I will be happy - as regards the size of the squad, I would rather have 10/15 players who want to play and win than 15/20 who are only there for the money (remember the last two seasons) My annoyance here is driven by the lack of information provided by the club. This is not a pop at Neil Black, but at the person he has running the club! I am really grateful we have such a selection of Brits, I am really happy with the imports on the roster, I am excited to see how David Ling is when he returns, but I would really like to know if we are done signing or not. First of all we were signing 13 imports, or this was at least implied, then all of a sudden it was stated that we were going with 12 imports, one short. Then we signed the Austrian and it was implied if he worked out he could stay and we would have 13 after all. So all in all it is really confusing. I think the fans deserve some transparency that's the point.
|
|
nate24
Greg Hadden
Posts: 1,415
|
Post by nate24 on Oct 3, 2015 10:54:57 GMT
Who in their right mind would be the owner of an EIHL team at the end of the day it is a business, and the basic objective of a business is to make a profit for the owner/ shareholders - as far as I know Aladdin does not have shareholders, but if they did then I think they would be on here demanding that we spend less so their dividends would be higher - I do not think many would be saying that they would forego this and even may I say give even more money out year-on-year - OK there is an argument regarding the profit from attendances etc. but again Neil Black helped build this club up so he is entitled to be able to make a profit from it - all you hear on here is demands that he gives more and more money, followed by the usual suspects saying they are not going to buy this or that or attend this or that game as it will only increase Neil's profits - If I was him I would probably walk away but the outcry then would be "he was only there for the money" - yes, it's his business Rant over - back to the team - you can please some of the people some of the time but you will never please everyone all of the time - IMHO the team we have this year is the team we were asking for the last two seasons, and has a good balance, and will hopefully win us some trophies, but if not then as long as I get entertained most games I will be happy - as regards the size of the squad, I would rather have 10/15 players who want to play and win than 15/20 who are only there for the money (remember the last two seasons) My annoyance here is driven by the lack of information provided by the club. This is not a pop at Neil Black, but at the person he has running the club! I am really grateful we have such a selection of Brits, I am really happy with the imports on the roster, I am excited to see how David Ling is when he returns, but I would really like to know if we are done signing or not. First of all we were signing 13 imports, or this was at least implied, then all of a sudden it was stated that we were going with 12 imports, one short. Then we signed the Austrian and it was implied if he worked out he could stay and we would have 13 after all. So all in all it is really confusing. I think the fans deserve some transparency that's the point. We have to be realistic here. The club had a set plan at the start of the off season and on paper it went swimmingly. Lizon and Peckham then rocked the boat and forced fairly radical measures to fill the gaps. Thankfully Lizon worked out great as we got Janssen. Peckham turned into Wiedergut who was very unlucky and got injured in training. If he wasn't on a short term deal we may of waited for him to recover. Waugh getting injured didn't help his case. My point is the plan is probably very fluid. They won't announce one thing as they know it may all change in a heartbeat and they have to look indecisive in the media. I am certain wheels are in motion, it is a plural though and we are likely waiting to see which one is spinning the best.
|
|
Shaggy
Forum Moderator
Am I a cynical idealist or an idealistic cynic?
Posts: 10,995
|
Post by Shaggy on Oct 3, 2015 11:35:42 GMT
My annoyance here is driven by the lack of information provided by the club. This is not a pop at Neil Black, but at the person he has running the club! I am really grateful we have such a selection of Brits, I am really happy with the imports on the roster, I am excited to see how David Ling is when he returns, but I would really like to know if we are done signing or not. First of all we were signing 13 imports, or this was at least implied, then all of a sudden it was stated that we were going with 12 imports, one short. Then we signed the Austrian and it was implied if he worked out he could stay and we would have 13 after all. So all in all it is really confusing. I think the fans deserve some transparency that's the point. But what do you actually want? It's all very well talking about "transparency" and "lack of information"... but when it comes to giving out information on signings/searches for players there is no realistic way to do it without attracting endless criticism. It seems that unless the club give full information on what they are looking for, manage to sign a player almost immediately, get him here straight away and he's up to full speed instantly - and the club keep us updated at every step (but not too often, because that would be 'needless hype'), and most importantly nothing goes wrong - then apparently they are somehow letting us all down. As I've said on many an occasion, I personally am not too fond of the club's rather standoffish attitude towards their walking wallets fans... but I can kind of understand a lot of it given the long history of moaning (only some of which was justified) that has been directed at them from the fanbase. Sure as death & taxes, whatever the Panthers do - they'll be moaned at. I think if I'd had that kind of environment for 20+ years, I'd be more than a little reluctant to engage too closely.
|
|
Shorty
Paul Adey
Still here for Private Messages
Posts: 6,636
|
Post by Shorty on Oct 3, 2015 12:03:15 GMT
I am really grateful we have such a selection of Brits, I am really happy with the imports on the roster, I am excited to see how David Ling is when he returns, but I would really like to know if we are done signing or not. First of all we were signing 13 imports, or this was at least implied, then all of a sudden it was stated that we were going with 12 imports, one short. Then we signed the Austrian and it was implied if he worked out he could stay and we would have 13 after all. So all in all it is really confusing. I think the fans deserve some transparency that's the point. That's not actually true though, because if they announce we are not making any more signings, you and plenty of others would still kick off about it. We have got off to a good start, the team is playing well and the atmosphere is building at the moment. Yes, it would be nice to have all the imports we are allowed, but when we start changing lines around to fit them all in, people wil moan again.
|
|
The Flying Shirt
Paul Adey
Adam #7 #47 - Forever #1
Posts: 6,640
Member is Online
|
Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 3, 2015 12:15:33 GMT
Who in their right mind would be the owner of an EIHL team at the end of the day it is a business, and the basic objective of a business is to make a profit for the owner/ shareholders - as far as I know Aladdin does not have shareholders, but if they did then I think they would be on here demanding that we spend less so their dividends would be higher - I do not think many would be saying that they would forego this and even may I say give even more money out year-on-year - OK there is an argument regarding the profit from attendances etc. but again Neil Black helped build this club up so he is entitled to be able to make a profit from it - all you hear on here is demands that he gives more and more money, followed by the usual suspects saying they are not going to buy this or that or attend this or that game as it will only increase Neil's profits - If I was him I would probably walk away but the outcry then would be "he was only there for the money" - yes, it's his business Rant over - back to the team - you can please some of the people some of the time but you will never please everyone all of the time - IMHO the team we have this year is the team we were asking for the last two seasons, and has a good balance, and will hopefully win us some trophies, but if not then as long as I get entertained most games I will be happy - as regards the size of the squad, I would rather have 10/15 players who want to play and win than 15/20 who are only there for the money (remember the last two seasons) Are you serious? You think the ownership take a jot of notice of what is written or ranted over online? It's business and the the way business is run is by the number of paying customers at each home game end of.
|
|
|
Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 3, 2015 13:41:59 GMT
I think we should still be in the hunt for a D man and with training camps all but over in North American I'd hope we are in contact with a few guys, I've said before I'd like to see a guy like Mark Fraser come over and he's not made it onto an NHL roster this season and has played with Cam before, be good if he could have a word and convince him over, think it would add some genuine bulk to our defence and another player throwing but hits and he can share the fighting load if any team actually dare go with him or Can for that matter
|
|
|
Post by panthers_nyr on Oct 3, 2015 15:14:41 GMT
I think we should still be in the hunt for a D man and with training camps all but over in North American I'd hope we are in contact with a few guys, I've said before I'd like to see a guy like Mark Fraser come over and he's not made it onto an NHL roster this season and has played with Cam before, be good if he could have a word and convince him over, think it would add some genuine bulk to our defence and another player throwing but hits and he can share the fighting load if any team actually dare go with him or Can for that matter Mark Fraser has signed with Ottawa, but I'd like to see a D man signed who is similar to Fraser.
|
|
|
Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 3, 2015 15:38:49 GMT
Who in their right mind would be the owner of an EIHL team at the end of the day it is a business, and the basic objective of a business is to make a profit for the owner/ shareholders - as far as I know Aladdin does not have shareholders, but if they did then I think they would be on here demanding that we spend less so their dividends would be higher - I do not think many would be saying that they would forego this and even may I say give even more money out year-on-year - OK there is an argument regarding the profit from attendances etc. but again Neil Black helped build this club up so he is entitled to be able to make a profit from it - all you hear on here is demands that he gives more and more money, followed by the usual suspects saying they are not going to buy this or that or attend this or that game as it will only increase Neil's profits - If I was him I would probably walk away but the outcry then would be "he was only there for the money" - yes, it's his business Rant over - back to the team - you can please some of the people some of the time but you will never please everyone all of the time - IMHO the team we have this year is the team we were asking for the last two seasons, and has a good balance, and will hopefully win us some trophies, but if not then as long as I get entertained most games I will be happy - as regards the size of the squad, I would rather have 10/15 players who want to play and win than 15/20 who are only there for the money (remember the last two seasons) Are you serious? You think the ownership take a jot of notice of what is written or ranted over online? It's business and the the way business is run is by the number of paying customers at each home game end of. The post was not aimed at the owner/s but the fans who think that every penny should go on the team, with no benefit to the owner/s - like some who will not buy 50-50 tickets because 50p of it goes to the club, but in the next breath ask the club to fork out even more money. If they are not prepared to part with £1.00 then why should they expect others to spend thousands!!!!
|
|
Shaggy
Forum Moderator
Am I a cynical idealist or an idealistic cynic?
Posts: 10,995
|
Post by Shaggy on Oct 3, 2015 16:45:11 GMT
Who in their right mind would be the owner of an EIHL team at the end of the day it is a business, and the basic objective of a business is to make a profit for the owner/ shareholders - as far as I know Aladdin does not have shareholders, but if they did then I think they would be on here demanding that we spend less so their dividends would be higher - I do not think many would be saying that they would forego this and even may I say give even more money out year-on-year - OK there is an argument regarding the profit from attendances etc. but again Neil Black helped build this club up so he is entitled to be able to make a profit from it - all you hear on here is demands that he gives more and more money, followed by the usual suspects saying they are not going to buy this or that or attend this or that game as it will only increase Neil's profits - If I was him I would probably walk away but the outcry then would be "he was only there for the money" - yes, it's his business Rant over - back to the team - you can please some of the people some of the time but you will never please everyone all of the time - IMHO the team we have this year is the team we were asking for the last two seasons, and has a good balance, and will hopefully win us some trophies, but if not then as long as I get entertained most games I will be happy - as regards the size of the squad, I would rather have 10/15 players who want to play and win than 15/20 who are only there for the money (remember the last two seasons) Are you serious? You think the ownership take a jot of notice of what is written or ranted over online? It's business and the the way business is run is by the number of paying customers at each home game end of. Except that it has been noticed on several occasions that the Panthers have made changes or taken decisions that just happen to coincide with views expressed on here...
|
|
|
Post by wgray on Oct 3, 2015 17:46:51 GMT
GM article in the programme gives an explanation on the situation with Ling and why his signing has only just been announced,, I know just because he has written it doesn't mean it's the truth but if it is then it is understandable
|
|
Caesar
Matt Myers
Posts: 1,769
|
Post by Caesar on Oct 3, 2015 20:41:56 GMT
And that explanation is................?
|
|
|
Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 3, 2015 21:25:54 GMT
And that explanation is................? Buy the programme!!!!
|
|
|
Post by Peacock on Oct 3, 2015 21:34:41 GMT
And that explanation is................? Buy the programme!!!! That's really helpful for those of us that couldn't make the game.
|
|
|
Post by panthers_nyr on Oct 3, 2015 21:49:24 GMT
The explanation in the programme said that it was family issues and was about him having to tell his son that he was coming back to the UK for 6 months to play hockey and finding time for that conversation with him.
|
|
|
Post by wgray on Oct 3, 2015 21:51:29 GMT
And that explanation is................? He states 'We announce signings as they happen unless there's a good reason for not doing so. Explaining face to face to your child that you are going back to the UK to play hockey for six months and won't be around much would fall into the category of a good reason in my book, and if that conversation can't take place for a while because of holidays and travelling then so be it. We'll wait.' I've got much respect for the club in the way that they have respected Ling's wishes.
|
|
EMB
Randall Weber
Posts: 4,046
|
Post by EMB on Oct 3, 2015 21:54:32 GMT
So getting arrested and almost loosing his place had nothing to do with it? If that's the truth then Panthers have been extremely patient cos if he'd been charged he would never be playing in the UK again.
|
|
Pies
Forum Moderator
Reluctant Chief of ITK
Posts: 4,879
|
Post by Pies on Oct 3, 2015 21:57:26 GMT
So getting arrested and almost loosing his place had nothing to do with it? If that's the truth then Panthers have been extremely patient cos if he'd been charged he would never be playing in the UK again. His partner has stated there was never a reason for him to be arrested and never wanted charges to be filed. So I am inclined to believe that said of events.
|
|
|
Post by kievthegreat on Oct 3, 2015 22:03:14 GMT
So getting arrested and almost loosing his place had nothing to do with it? If that's the truth then Panthers have been extremely patient cos if he'd been charged he would never be playing in the UK again. His partner has stated there was never a reason for him to be arrested and never wanted charges to be filed. So I am inclined to believe that said of events. Which is all well and good, but issues regarding bring arrested can interrupt/block visas. You'd expect if it was talking to his kid that you'd get visas and everything sorted and then find the 'right moment'. It just sounds a bit wishy washy to me.
|
|
Pies
Forum Moderator
Reluctant Chief of ITK
Posts: 4,879
|
Post by Pies on Oct 3, 2015 22:11:43 GMT
His partner has stated there was never a reason for him to be arrested and never wanted charges to be filed. So I am inclined to believe that said of events. Which is all well and good, but issues regarding bring arrested can interrupt/block visas. You'd expect if it was talking to his kid that you'd get visas and everything sorted and then find the 'right moment'. It just sounds a bit wishy washy to me. The American justice system is very different to ours so I couldn't comment too much. The Panthers management aren't dumb. They know we've all seen the article so why lie - they'd have 2 options IMO - either tell the truth or ignore it completely. Fabrication of a story just seems too stupid
|
|
Shaggy
Forum Moderator
Am I a cynical idealist or an idealistic cynic?
Posts: 10,995
|
Post by Shaggy on Oct 3, 2015 22:19:54 GMT
And that explanation is................? He states 'We announce signings as they happen unless there's a good reason for not doing so. Explaining face to face to your child that you are going back to the UK to play hockey for six months and won't be around much would fall into the category of a good reason in my book, and if that conversation can't take place for a while because of holidays and travelling then so be it. We'll wait.' I've got much respect for the club in the way that they have respected Ling's wishes. If that's an accurate account of the events... then I agree, the club can hold their heads up high on that one.
|
|
|
Post by fishman on Oct 5, 2015 9:11:58 GMT
Are Panthers still looking for cover for the injured D man Geoff Waugh?
|
|
|
Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 5, 2015 9:21:26 GMT
Are Panthers still looking for cover for the injured D man Geoff Waugh? Can you please not post sensible questions on this forum - it spoils the flow of triviality
|
|
|
Post by fishman on Oct 5, 2015 9:41:21 GMT
Sorry, must have the wrong head on, this time of the year is confusing should I have the summer head on or the winter one?
For those not in the know its a Finnish thing
|
|
|
Post by texpef on Oct 6, 2015 7:39:03 GMT
Am I the only one who read the thread and thought of that bit of pulp fiction......
|
|