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Post by PantherG on Oct 2, 2015 19:54:08 GMT
From reading between the lines it appears we were starting the season an import short due to the situation Ling found himself in and the intention was to play with a full compliment all along... Well I interpreted that from the communication I have read.
So when Ling arrives we are back up to 12 imports, 11 that are fit. Do you think we are still looking for another D man? Or are we done recruiting? It really would be astonishing if we continued to play short. Our next three games are cup games, so I'm relaxed but after that it's full in league fixtures and I hope we are at full strength.
The lack of information from the club is poor and I really feel it could be run so much better, be up front and either say we are done recruiting or that we are still scouting for another D.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 2, 2015 20:05:25 GMT
I think we're done for now, my take is that Ling has come in instead of the permanent signing Wieds was supposed to be temping for, maybe Neilson feeling he's got enough at the back.
Black must be spending a fair whack at this point too, whether he'd allow them to dip into the pot again I'm not sure.
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Post by panthersdave on Oct 2, 2015 20:05:48 GMT
I think we are still looking at a new D man. The club doesn't comment much about signings anyway.
If they don't find anyone then club would look silly if they had told the world a player will be brought in and vice versa.
Wouldn't worry too much, we are strong throughout the team. I would like to see someone brought in but care should be taken to make sure it doesn't upset the balance of our excellent D.
On that point, when Ling gets here don't be surprised to see Mosey back on D
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Post by team on Oct 2, 2015 20:32:25 GMT
Mosey has been playing D the last two weeks.
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Post by iginla on Oct 2, 2015 20:36:10 GMT
I reckon we will see another Dman come in,whether it be a quality one or a temporary signing until Waugh is fit again remains to be seen.
If Schmidt or Dimmen were to get injured at present then we would be struggling !
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Post by texpef on Oct 2, 2015 20:50:21 GMT
It really is ridiculous we are hampering our league chances by not signing the full quota of imports as compared to our competitors. If god forbid we lose the championship by the odd point or so come the end of the season then it would be hard not to blame the fact that the missing import could have been the difference and imho the club should be in line for a lot of stick...
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Post by ted logan on Oct 2, 2015 21:04:33 GMT
I reckon we will see another Dman come in,whether it be a quality one or a temporary signing until Waugh is fit again remains to be seen. If Schmidt or Dimmen were to get injured at present then we would be struggling ! Spot on
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Post by Doom on Oct 2, 2015 22:12:07 GMT
From reading between the lines it appears we were starting the season an import short due to the situation Ling found himself in and the intention was to play with a full compliment all along... Well I interpreted that from the communication I have read. So when Ling arrives we are back up to 12 imports, 11 that are fit. Do you think we are still looking for another D man? Or are we done recruiting? It really would be astonishing if we continued to play short. Our next three games are cup games, so I'm relaxed but after that it's full in league fixtures and I hope we are at full strength. The lack of information from the club is poor and I really feel it could be run so much better, be up front and either say we are done recruiting or that we are still scouting for another D. You're hardly playing short: At a quick check: v Dundee - You had 2 more players v Cardiff - 2 more players v Belfast - 2 more players v Manchester - 2 more players v Coventry - 1 more player v Cardiff - 1 less player v Braehead - 1 less player It's hardly Basingstoke who often played with 7 forwards and 4 defencemen if they were lucky. Regards Doom
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 2, 2015 22:14:10 GMT
Weird post.
We are playing short.
We are not Basingstoke.
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Post by Doom on Oct 2, 2015 22:19:08 GMT
Weird post. We are playing short. We are not Basingstoke. No you're not Basingstoke, but they are my definition of a team playing short. If your team are short, then so is virtually every other team in the league. What exactly is the definition of playing short? Regards Doom
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 2, 2015 22:21:56 GMT
Weird post. We are playing short. We are not Basingstoke. No you're not Basingstoke, but they are my definition of a team playing short. If your team are short, then so is virtually every other team in the league. What exactly is the definition of playing short? Regards Doom Not utilising all your imports?
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Post by Pies on Oct 2, 2015 22:24:51 GMT
No you're not Basingstoke, but they are my definition of a team playing short. If your team are short, then so is virtually every other team in the league. What exactly is the definition of playing short? Regards Doom Not utilising all your imports? Just because we're not utilising al our imports, doesn't mean we are playing short. When everyone's fit we have 12 forwards and 7 d men. That's a huge bench by anyone's money
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Post by Doom on Oct 2, 2015 22:25:44 GMT
No you're not Basingstoke, but they are my definition of a team playing short. If your team are short, then so is virtually every other team in the league. What exactly is the definition of playing short? Regards Doom Not utilising all your imports? Well everybody else in the league has fewer Brits....so we're not utilising all our potential Brits....Therefore we're all playing short as well. If a team has a lot of quality Brits and one less import, that's not my definition of playing short. Regards Doom
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Post by Doom on Oct 2, 2015 22:34:57 GMT
Not utilising all your imports? Just because we're not utilising al our imports, doesn't mean we are playing short. When everyone's fit we have 12 forwards and 7 d men. That's a huge bench by anyone's money That seems to be lost on a few people. There's a Belfast supporter on Steeltalk writing off their chances this weekend because they're missing 3 imports. Having checked their likely line-up, they'll have 15 out skaters, none of whom I'd call make weights. I'd say if you can put out 3 decent forward lines and 5 defencemen, then you've got a very competitive team. My definition of a short benched team is 11 or 12 out skaters, as we've seen a few times in the past with teams who have had serious injury problems. Bench sizes like those in Nottingham and Belfast are a luxury compared to some we've seen in the past, yet people still moan at their ownership. Regards Doom
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Post by iginla on Oct 2, 2015 22:36:55 GMT
If the Steelers hadn't signed Moyer and Coyle was injured for 6-9 weeks and missing from your defence,would you consider you were playing short Doom ?
Because whilst we are not really short of bodies,that's where Panthers are defensively.......would be a bit worrying if Fitzgerald got injured too eh !
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Post by yeti on Oct 2, 2015 23:37:33 GMT
I have to agree with you Doom. I can't remember a time since the superleague that we have had such a large squad of players and in that squad we have 6 GB players who I would class as being better than the vast majority of poor Imports we had last year. Yes we could of signed less Brits and had a full complement of imports but for my money we have a far better balanced team with the Brits we have.
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Post by PantherG on Oct 3, 2015 0:50:36 GMT
Just because we're not utilising al our imports, doesn't mean we are playing short. When everyone's fit we have 12 forwards and 7 d men. That's a huge bench by anyone's money That seems to be lost on a few people. There's a Belfast supporter on Steeltalk writing off their chances this weekend because they're missing 3 imports. Having checked their likely line-up, they'll have 15 out skaters, none of whom I'd call make weights. I'd say if you can put out 3 decent forward lines and 5 defencemen, then you've got a very competitive team. My definition of a short benched team is 11 or 12 out skaters, as we've seen a few times in the past with teams who have had serious injury problems. Bench sizes like those in Nottingham and Belfast are a luxury compared to some we've seen in the past, yet people still moan at their ownership. Regards Doom Yes I am moaning as the flow of information can be sparse. I'd like to know if we are, or are not signing another import. And yes, saying we are playing short was the wrong choice of words, but we are playing short of our full quota of imports. Bottom line is this is a club who should be signing a full team of quality imports and should be there, or thereabouts at the end of the season. However, we take another injury to a D man and we will be exposed at the back. So it does cause me concerns... We've not exactly been lucky with injuries over the past few years and I really want to win the league. Of course other teams will be delighted to see us play with 11 imports vs their 13.....,
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 3, 2015 6:37:48 GMT
I think the club need to be cut some slack here. Don't think we ever really set out to not sign the full quota. I would guess at some point before the season started we were set to start with the 13. The first press release stating we were going short stated we were waiting for the right player. I now believe this to be in relation to Ling and the fact he was already signed. The club were stuck between a rock and a hard place as they couldn't tell us he'd signed with everything going on. They also said We would sign a temp Dman whilst we sorted a permenant replacement for Peckham. If Weids hadn't got injured he'd probably still be here.
I usually believe in having a spare import but this year the squad is huge and not many are complaining about how much we are spending so don't think we needed to.
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Post by Doom on Oct 3, 2015 6:55:55 GMT
If the Steelers hadn't signed Moyer and Coyle was injured for 6-9 weeks and missing from your defence,would you consider you were playing short Doom ? Because whilst we are not really short of bodies,that's where Panthers are defensively.......would be a bit worrying if Fitzgerald got injured too eh ! I'd say 4 defencemen is short, but manageable in the short term, although a forward would probably need to drop back from time to time to give the defence a break. Unless I'm missing something, I thought you'd currently got 6 fit defencemen (Dimmen, Lee, Oakford, Schmidt, Swindlehurst and Mosey). To put it into perspective, would you swap Lachowicz, Farmer and Oakford for Mosienko, because that would effectively switch the balance of our two squads? Regards Doom
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Post by nate24 on Oct 3, 2015 7:02:52 GMT
I reckon we will have another Dman within time. I'm worried about our D purely because they are working so hard every game and injuries look more likely as a result.
That said Corey really is doing well this year grasping victory from the jaws of defeat with his signings. I've said before Ling is a great pick up depending on cost though that cost may all ready of been factored if he had signed before his troubles.
Training camps in North America are pretty much done and a lot of players in flux, Corey may be biding his time a little to nab a lost soul from the stream of guys looking for contracts late.
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Post by iginla on Oct 3, 2015 8:08:12 GMT
Whilst Panthers undoubtedly have a great squad,let's put it in a simple question. We are allowed 13 imports,we only have 12,therefore are we doing everything possible to have the strongest team ?.......No !
Having lots of Brits is fine,unless they get injured,an import can be replaced but try replacing a quality Brit mid season......no chance !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 8:36:10 GMT
Whilst Panthers undoubtedly have a great squad,let's put it in a simple question. We are allowed 13 imports,we only have 12,therefore are we doing everything possible to have the strongest team ?.......No ! Having lots of Brits is fine,unless they get injured,an import can be replaced but try replacing a quality Brit mid season......no chance !! But if you have that import slot spare then that quality Brit can be replaced mid-season.
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Post by Doom on Oct 3, 2015 8:58:24 GMT
Whilst Panthers undoubtedly have a great squad,let's put it in a simple question. We are allowed 13 imports,we only have 12,therefore are we doing everything possible to have the strongest team ?.......No ! Having lots of Brits is fine,unless they get injured,an import can be replaced but try replacing a quality Brit mid season......no chance !! You also have a budget. Corey has a lot of decisions to make how he splits that budget. For example, if he has £500k to spend on the team and £200k of that has gone on signing top quality Brits, he then has £300k to spend on the imports. He could spend that £300k on 12 good quality imports or water the quality down by signing 13 imports but 2 or 3 are likely to be of a lesser standard. With the depth and quality of your Brits, I can see the sense in signing quality imports over the extra depth of imports. Having said all that, I guess all teams hold a little money back from their budget to make an additional signing should the need arise. Regards Doom
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Post by iginla on Oct 3, 2015 9:36:26 GMT
Of course they have budgets Doom.
But would you swop us say Mosienko for Lacho......I would in a heartbeat !
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 3, 2015 9:43:51 GMT
Who in their right mind would be the owner of an EIHL team at the end of the day it is a business, and the basic objective of a business is to make a profit for the owner/ shareholders - as far as I know Aladdin does not have shareholders, but if they did then I think they would be on here demanding that we spend less so their dividends would be higher - I do not think many would be saying that they would forego this and even may I say give even more money out year-on-year - OK there is an argument regarding the profit from attendances etc. but again Neil Black helped build this club up so he is entitled to be able to make a profit from it - all you hear on here is demands that he gives more and more money, followed by the usual suspects saying they are not going to buy this or that or attend this or that game as it will only increase Neil's profits - If I was him I would probably walk away but the outcry then would be "he was only there for the money" - yes, it's his business
Rant over - back to the team - you can please some of the people some of the time but you will never please everyone all of the time - IMHO the team we have this year is the team we were asking for the last two seasons, and has a good balance, and will hopefully win us some trophies, but if not then as long as I get entertained most games I will be happy - as regards the size of the squad, I would rather have 10/15 players who want to play and win than 15/20 who are only there for the money (remember the last two seasons)
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