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Post by kezypanther on Aug 11, 2015 7:21:45 GMT
What do you have for Schultz scoring doom ?
I am disappointed we are not going with the full quota of imports but if we can sign one a few games of real quality I doubt we will be complaining. On the other hand if we start losing the first few games there is going to be an uproar as to why we started short.
Suppose it's all wait and see atm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 7:42:44 GMT
Which is why I said I'd take Corey with a pinch of salt. No one else seems to be having problems signing good quality players. Maybe the funds are going towards the chl for Clan & we cant afford the accommodation for all the imports at the start of the season (only a theory but not impossible) or maybe that's why we're not getting a full squad who knows. Like I said, & you know the workings Iginla its not all its cracked up to be behind the scenes. Maybe the funds are going towards the Brits to keep them from signing for other EIHL teams. Whilst some of you seem to be looking jealously at the Clan signings and the fact that they'll be going with a full compliment of imports, perhaps you should be comparing the depth of your roster with theirs, even if you go an import short. Possible 3rd and 4th lines for the Clan are Harper/Davies/Nesbitt and Cownie/Haywood/McKenzie. As noted elsewhere, possible 3rd and 4th lines for Panthers are Lacho/Myers/Clarke and Mosey/Betteridge/Import. I know which I'd take for the Steelers 3rd and 4th lines. Regards Doom Finally it takes a opposition fan to come on here and talk sense. Very few panthers fans have looked at the bigger picture in why we are starting a import short. Brits have always commanded a decent wage and believe it or not every team has a budget to work to
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 8:05:13 GMT
We should not be playing short. End of.
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Post by mattscold on Aug 11, 2015 8:19:47 GMT
I was going to comment, but I see ftm has deemed it the end of the discussion. Drat, I'll get in earlier next time.
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Post by Ian on Aug 11, 2015 8:22:26 GMT
I agree with a few of the previous comments for different reasons.
On playing an import short - At first glance it looks like we are being short changed but I totally agree with what people have said about taking into account our British line-up. We have managed to keep Lacho, Clarke, Farmer, Lee and we've added Myers and Swindlehurst. They are all established players in our league and we know the kind of strong performances they are capable of. I'd sooner use the "13th import money" to offer each of them a bit more to keep / get them in black and gold than risk losing quality British players just to bring in someone of unproven quality who happens to be an import. You have to look at the entire squad. Some of our rivals have Brits who are essentially there to make up the numbers, while all of ours can be expected to make a genuine and significant contribution to our season. I'm happy enough with that situation. Players signing / arriving late - Even though it seems to happen every year I am definitely NOT happy with this. OK, so sometimes you have to hold out to get the men you want, but unless you are doing that for a real top end import there's no excuse. You know when the season starts, for God's sake get the roster signed in good time and, even more important, make sure the players are actually here to have some kind of training camp. Otherwise what's the point in organising pre-season games and camps? For me, this slapdash approach to season preparation sets a tone that you can get away with less than 100% professionalism at our club.
I tend not to look too closely at rosters (other than our own) until they are complete and you can make a proper comparison, so I'm not going to make season predictions just yet. But from what I have seen so far I think the players we have signed look solid and the roster seems a big upgrade on what we had last year. The whole feeling coming from the coach appears miles better than twelve months ago too, which for me is even more important.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 8:26:32 GMT
I was going to comment, but I see ftm has deemed it the end of the discussion. Drat, I'll get in earlier next time. Was just trying to strongly make the point that it's absolutely ludicrous to announce record season tickets sales quickly followed by the revelation that we are choosing to handicap ourselves by playing short handed. If you think it's a good idea to hand our opponents an advantage then feel free to comment. (You don't need my permission anyway).
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Post by Doom on Aug 11, 2015 8:39:12 GMT
We should not be playing short. End of. Would you think that way if the price of going with a full compliment of imports meant losing Lacho to Braehead and Myers remaining in Cardiff? Regards Doom
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 8:46:58 GMT
We should not be playing short. End of. Would you think that way if the price of going with a full compliment of imports meant losing Lacho to Braehead and Myers remaining in Cardiff? Regards Doom It shouldn't mean that. We could easily afford the Brits we have and a full compliment of imports. It could well be argued that we should be starting with a spare import rather than 1 short.
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Post by Doom on Aug 11, 2015 8:58:37 GMT
Would you think that way if the price of going with a full compliment of imports meant losing Lacho to Braehead and Myers remaining in Cardiff? Regards Doom It shouldn't mean that. We could easily afford the Brits we have and a full compliment of imports. It could well be argued that we should be starting with a spare import rather than 1 short.
You probably could, but with the amount you'll be spending on your Brits that will undoubtedly eat a substantial part of your budget.
The decision then needs to be made, how do you distribute the remaining money on the imports? - You could split it between 13 imports, by dumbing down the standard or split it between 12 and get a slightly higher standard of import. If you were to ask me which I'd prefer if Panthers were my club, it would be to go with 12 higher quality imports, because the depth is already there with the Brits.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 11, 2015 9:07:28 GMT
You keep saying that about getting 12 out of x, or 13 out of x. Our argument is increase x.
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Post by pingchowchi on Aug 11, 2015 9:08:41 GMT
Oh, you wont get anywhere trying to use logic here Doom, you should know that by now
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 9:11:35 GMT
Oh, you wont get anywhere trying to use logic here Doom, you should know that by now So you think we can't afford our Brits plus 13 decent imports?
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 11, 2015 9:24:34 GMT
We won't really be playing short handed will we. We will have 4 full lines. I'll ask the question if we were to have the full import quota with all the Brits we've got how do you keep everyone happy? A decent import isn't going to want to come over here to be a spare or warm the bench. Also we do have strong Brits and import doesn't necessarily mean better than Brit
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 9:32:46 GMT
We won't really be playing short handed will we. We will have 4 full lines. I'll ask the question if we were to have the full import quota with all the Brits we've got how do you keep everyone happy? A decent import isn't going to want to come over here to be a spare or warm the bench. Also we do have strong Brits and import doesn't necessarily mean better than Brit
Both of these line up's are affordable for Panthers. Which one looks, stronger, deeper and more likely to win more matches?
Option 1).
BOHMBACH CENTRE SCHULTZ
LACHO MACMILLAN KOLNIK
FARMER MYERS CLARKE
GOON BETTERIDGE MOSEY
PECKHAM DIMMEN
WAUGH LEE
SWINDLEHURST SCHMIDT
OAKFORD
WIIKMAN
GREEN
Option 2).
BOHMBACH CENTRE SCHULTZ
FARMER MACMILLAN KOLNIK
HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER / POWER FORWARD (LIKE SALTERS) MYERS CLARKE
LACHO CENTRE MOSEY
BETTERIDGE
PECKHAM DIMMEN
WAUGH LEE
SWINDLEHURST SCHMIDT
OAKFORD
WIIKMAN
GREEN
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Post by pingchowchi on Aug 11, 2015 9:33:31 GMT
If we started with 13 imports and all our Brits - I suspect that the same people would be moaning about the quality of the imports, or that we were not starting with any spare imports or that we didn't have a spare import goalie etc. etc.
We will have 4 full lines for the first time that I have started to watch the panthers, plus the flexibility to bring an import in if one of our important Brits picks up an injury.
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Post by Ian on Aug 11, 2015 9:38:45 GMT
If we started with 13 imports and all our Brits - I suspect that the same people would be moaning about the quality of the imports, or that we were not starting with any spare imports or that we didn't have a spare import goalie etc. etc. We will have 4 full lines for the first time that I have started to watch the panthers, plus the flexibility to bring an import in if one of our important Brits picks up an injury. Agree with this. I very much suspect, although I don't know, that the caution being shown is mainly until we see how Clarke holds up following all his injury issues. If he is unable to return to his pre-injury level or gets sidelined with a recurrence we need to be able to make up for the goals he will, under normal circumstances, contribute. Last season we were unable to do that and the loss of his 25-30 regular goals really undermined our chances.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 11, 2015 9:57:47 GMT
We won't really be playing short handed will we. We will have 4 full lines. I'll ask the question if we were to have the full import quota with all the Brits we've got how do you keep everyone happy? A decent import isn't going to want to come over here to be a spare or warm the bench. Also we do have strong Brits and import doesn't necessarily mean better than Brit
Both of these line up's are affordable for Panthers. Which one looks, stronger, deeper and more likely to win more matches?
Option 1).
BOHMBACH CENTRE SCHULTZ
LACHO MACMILLAN KOLNIK
FARMER MYERS CLARKE
GOON BETTERIDGE MOSEY
PECKHAM DIMMEN
WAUGH LEE
SWINDLEHURST SCHMIDT
OAKFORD
WIIKMAN
GREEN
Option 2).
BOHMBACH CENTRE SCHULTZ
FARMER MACMILLAN KOLNIK
HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER / POWER FORWARD (LIKE SALTERS) MYERS CLARKE
LACHO CENTRE MOSEY
BETTERIDGE
PECKHAM DIMMEN
WAUGH LEE
SWINDLEHURST SCHMIDT
OAKFORD
WIIKMAN
GREEN The other point I made is keeping the squad happy. Do you think lachowicz would be happy being a 4th liner. I know he didn't have a good last season but it doesn't mean he can't turn it around and I don't think any EIHL club would pay the wages lachowicz would be on for a 4th liner
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 10:01:26 GMT
Both of these line up's are affordable for Panthers. Which one looks, stronger, deeper and more likely to win more matches?
Option 1).
BOHMBACH CENTRE SCHULTZ
LACHO MACMILLAN KOLNIK
FARMER MYERS CLARKE
GOON BETTERIDGE MOSEY
PECKHAM DIMMEN
WAUGH LEE
SWINDLEHURST SCHMIDT
OAKFORD
WIIKMAN
GREEN
Option 2).
BOHMBACH CENTRE SCHULTZ
FARMER MACMILLAN KOLNIK
HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER / POWER FORWARD (LIKE SALTERS) MYERS CLARKE
LACHO CENTRE MOSEY
BETTERIDGE
PECKHAM DIMMEN
WAUGH LEE
SWINDLEHURST SCHMIDT
OAKFORD
WIIKMAN
GREEN The other point I made is keeping the squad happy. Do you think lachowicz would be happy being a 4th liner. I know he didn't have a good last season but it doesn't mean he can't turn it around and I don't think any EIHL club would pay the wages lachowicz would be on for a 4th liner The obvious idea with option 2 is that you have 4 strong, capable lines which could be played in any situation night in night out. There would be no real need to play any of those lines considerably more than the others. Lacho would be on a line with 2 imports so not exactly a big demotion.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 11, 2015 10:01:44 GMT
If properly managed being on line 1/2/3/4 means little, give the lines that are working in a particular game the ice time.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 10:02:01 GMT
The other point I made is keeping the squad happy. Do you think lachowicz would be happy being a 4th liner. I know he didn't have a good last season but it doesn't mean he can't turn it around and I don't think any EIHL club would pay the wages lachowicz would be on for a 4th liner The obvious idea with option 2 is that you have 4 strong, capable lines which could be played in any situation night in night out. There would be no real need to play any of those lines considerably more than the others. Lacho would be on a line with 2 imports so not exactly a big demotion. Which one looks, stronger, deeper and more likely to win more matches?
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 11, 2015 10:07:54 GMT
The one advantage I see at the minute is that if any player picks up an injury be it an import or Brit then an import could be brought in to replace any injured player not just another import. So for example if Clarke has a recurrence of his injury then Corey can go shopping whereas we couldn't normally do that
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 11, 2015 10:14:12 GMT
The one advantage I see at the minute is that if any player picks up an injury be it an import or Brit then an import could be brought in to replace any injured player not just another import. So for example if Clarke has a recurrence of his injury then Corey can go shopping whereas we couldn't normally do that With option 2 you start with the strongest possible line up. If you don't get a big injury then great. If you do get an injury you have Betteridge to increase his minutes and you can keep the 4 lines intact.
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Post by Doom on Aug 11, 2015 10:19:50 GMT
You keep saying that about getting 12 out of x, or 13 out of x. Our argument is increase x. I'd be delighted if the Steelers could have increased our x so that we could afford to sign the likes of Lacho and Myers, but I live in the real world and understand that an increase in x could mean problems for the club further down the line. All clubs need to set a realistic budget and that includes the Panthers. I would guess the Panthers probably have the highest budget in the league, it's up to the coach how he chooses to distribute that budget. Regards Doom
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Post by Doom on Aug 11, 2015 10:20:56 GMT
What do you have for Schultz scoring doom ? I am disappointed we are not going with the full quota of imports but if we can sign one a few games of real quality I doubt we will be complaining. On the other hand if we start losing the first few games there is going to be an uproar as to why we started short. Suppose it's all wait and see atm. I reckon he looks good for about 30 goals. Regards Doom
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Post by Yotes on Aug 11, 2015 11:07:16 GMT
Our budget should be the biggest in the league, I don't care what Sheffield do. I'm also convinced it'd cover 13 imports and 9 Brits, as was Neil when he said that's what we were going to have. We had 15 at the end of last season.
Since then we've had a record for season ticket sales and we've decided that actually we can't afford 13+9 after all.
Not that people saying this is a good thing are bothered by the budget, because we're going to sign another import when Clarke gets injured again. Quite why this is better than having a guy in amongst it from the off I'm not sure.
I suspect the reason for 12+9 is fairly obvious, both to the north and the south of Nottingham, but again I'm not bothered about either of them.
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