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Post by 5+game on Apr 29, 2015 9:36:14 GMT
Berube isn't as bad as people are making out (you don't become captain of your team at 25 by not being very good), did he make mistakes? Sure he did. But he didn't make anymore than Landry did, the problem is you only notice the mistake when it gets punished. There was one game (can't for the life of me remember who it was against) were Cohen turned the puck over 4 or 5 times and K-wall bailed him out each time then Berube made 1 mistake in the entire game and it goes in, which one do you remember? If paired with someone who can move the puck (Steve Lee, Chris Murray, Eric Werner, Jordan Fox etc) there wouldn't be the turnover issues because he wouldn't have to be the one trying to move the puck (something which Landry was not exactly adept at) which is the main area he struggled in but positionally he was excellent, very rarely got beaten for speed and deflected numerous pucks up and out of play. You can never rule out the effect moving to the bigger ice has as well as some players never experience this before they get here, players like Wild flourish with it because his game is well suited to it whereas others like Berube struggle (although he should have adapted better over the course of the season). There's also this issue of him not being the 'tough guy' he was billed as, but is that his fault? No. That lies squarley at the feet of Bruce for recommending him that way, Corey/Strachs for not researching thoroughly (1 look at Elite Prospects and you can see how low his PIM's are) and GM for typing it onto the website. There's always more to it that 'oh this guy is rubbish' you just have to look a little further. Berube is not cut out for this league. He was a weak dman in a lot of areas. He does not deserve to be on this team and I bet you there isn't one other top 4 team in this league that are looking to sign him. You can make all the excuses you want but he was crap for the majority of the season and cost us numerous times, yes he may have done a few decent things but even the sun shines on a dogs arse once in a while
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Post by jdizpt8 on Apr 29, 2015 9:37:05 GMT
Spoke to dan green about berube in Belfast and dan said he doesn't want to go out and fight he just wants to play hockey. I think if berube came back and we signed an out and out tough guy to tackle all the heavy weights we'd see berube look after the middleweights if he needed to. was highlighted for his mistakes and lack of enforcement last season and I'll hold my hands up and say I was one of the people but f he came back and was paired with a top D man and knew he wasn't looked to for fighting we'd see him perform better
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 29, 2015 9:38:35 GMT
Whatever the reasons behind it Berube is not a good player and certainly not one I want to see in a Nottingham Jersey again.
He looked a cheap/ low end signing and played like one.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 29, 2015 10:32:04 GMT
The excuses some of these guys get... if we pair him with someone who can cover up for how bad he is, he'll look better.
Or we could just bring in a guy who doesn't need someone holding his hand all the time.
Bad enough we've already been forced to bring back one of last year's festering turds to clog up the blueline, don't need to make it a double.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 10:44:18 GMT
Berube isn't as bad as people are making out (you don't become captain of your team at 25 by not being very good), did he make mistakes? Sure he did. But he didn't make anymore than Landry did, the problem is you only notice the mistake when it gets punished. There was one game (can't for the life of me remember who it was against) were Cohen turned the puck over 4 or 5 times and K-wall bailed him out each time then Berube made 1 mistake in the entire game and it goes in, which one do you remember? If paired with someone who can move the puck (Steve Lee, Chris Murray, Eric Werner, Jordan Fox etc) there wouldn't be the turnover issues because he wouldn't have to be the one trying to move the puck (something which Landry was not exactly adept at) which is the main area he struggled in but positionally he was excellent, very rarely got beaten for speed and deflected numerous pucks up and out of play. You can never rule out the effect moving to the bigger ice has as well as some players never experience this before they get here, players like Wild flourish with it because his game is well suited to it whereas others like Berube struggle (although he should have adapted better over the course of the season). There's also this issue of him not being the 'tough guy' he was billed as, but is that his fault? No. That lies squarley at the feet of Bruce for recommending him that way, Corey/Strachs for not researching thoroughly (1 look at Elite Prospects and you can see how low his PIM's are) and GM for typing it onto the website. There's always more to it that 'oh this guy is rubbish' you just have to look a little further. Berube is not cut out for this league. He was a weak dman in a lot of areas. He does not deserve to be on this team and I bet you there isn't one other top 4 team in this league that are looking to sign him. You can make all the excuses you want but he was crap for the majority of the season and cost us numerous times, yes he may have done a few decent things but even the sun shines on a dogs hairy bum once in a while Well he was cut out for this league because he was part of one of the best defensive pairings in the league with him and Landry, I believe someone posted +/- stats a while ago and both of those 2 were near the top of the + ratings and Landry isn't good enough to be the sole reason behind that. I get that his mistakes got punished which is the reason for his constant scrutinisation, it's unfair (but that's life) because others made the same mistakes (Landry, Cohen) and got bailed out meaning it's quickly forgotten about. If we had gone with pairings of: Wild - Landry Berube - Lee I think we would have cut down on errors from Berube AND Landry, because that way they are both playing with guys who are comfotable moving the puck meaning neither of them has to do it. I am more than willing to accept that he didn't have the greatest of seasons (nobody on the team did), but there is much more to it than the small-minded viewpoint of 'oh this guys crap'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 10:52:38 GMT
The excuses some of these guys get... if we pair him with someone who can cover up for how bad he is, he'll look better. Or we could just bring in a guy who doesn't need someone holding his hand all the time. Bad enough we've already been forced to bring back one of last year's festering turds to clog up the blueline, don't need to make it a double. You have to work to peoples strengths and cover their weaknesses, you are very rarely going to get a perfect player over here. The reason David Ling (who without a shadow of a doubt is the best offensive player I've seen) was so effective is because Benny was on his line covering for his weakness which was the defensive side of his game. Without being paired up the the calls for Ling's head that were there in October/November would no doubt have continued throughout the season.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 29, 2015 11:07:04 GMT
I don't want perfection, but I do expect the basics. As a recent example, trying to make a dumb, low percentage pass through 3 Sheffield skaters - stupid, basic, cost us a goal. To say he should've been able to give the puck to Lee (or whoever) so he can do that bit for him is far too forgiving. We coughed the puck up in our own end a ton last season, at times it was comedic how bad our passing was, these are basics of the game. And no, it wasn't just Berube doing it, but I don't want many (if any) of the others back either.
We can get better players than these, we (the fans) turn out in great numbers these days, we should be more demanding of the standard of player we get to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 11:28:47 GMT
I agree the passing was atrocious (especially from the D-men) don't get me wrong, the only guy who could reliably get us out of our zone last season was Cody Wild. In the Grand Slam year we had Werner (w/ Lepine), Fox (w/ Lee) and Weaver (w/ Beckett) who could do that. 2 seasons ago we should have had Werner, Murray & Weaver but that didn't work out because of Werner getting injured & Weaver logging too many minutes.
With Corey having hopes of making Steve Lee into an offensive defenseman (something I can't see happening myself) if you split him and Wild up it would have given a better balance to lines and potentially less mistakes being made.
I agree with you about making stupid mistakes, I cannot remember then amount of times I sat there and wanted Berube (plus Landry & Schmidt) to just chip the puck up the boards and out the zone but maybe if they're with a more suited defensive partner they aren't in that situation to make those mistakes?
I guess moreover what I'm saying is if Berube did come back it wouldn't be the end of the world as it is being portrayed because he isn't THAT bad (I'd much rather have him back than Schmidt but that is what it is), as long as he was put with the right people (as with any player).
I'm not clamouring for him to come back by any means(the only import d-man I would bring back is Wild) but I don't buy into the notion that he is just god awful.
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Post by panthersnation on Apr 29, 2015 11:31:37 GMT
Berube isn't as bad as people are making out (you don't become captain of your team at 25 by not being very good), did he make mistakes? Sure he did. But he didn't make anymore than Landry did, the problem is you only notice the mistake when it gets punished. There was one game (can't for the life of me remember who it was against) were Cohen turned the puck over 4 or 5 times and K-wall bailed him out each time then Berube made 1 mistake in the entire game and it goes in, which one do you remember? If paired with someone who can move the puck (Steve Lee, Chris Murray, Eric Werner, Jordan Fox etc) there wouldn't be the turnover issues because he wouldn't have to be the one trying to move the puck (something which Landry was not exactly adept at) which is the main area he struggled in but positionally he was excellent, very rarely got beaten for speed and deflected numerous pucks up and out of play. You can never rule out the effect moving to the bigger ice has as well as some players never experience this before they get here, players like Wild flourish with it because his game is well suited to it whereas others like Berube struggle (although he should have adapted better over the course of the season). There's also this issue of him not being the 'tough guy' he was billed as, but is that his fault? No. That lies squarley at the feet of Bruce for recommending him that way, Corey/Strachs for not researching thoroughly (1 look at Elite Prospects and you can see how low his PIM's are) and GM for typing it onto the website. There's always more to it that 'oh this guy is rubbish' you just have to look a little further. landry cant of been that bad he got most consistent player, I think he got better as the year went on
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Post by Yotes on Apr 29, 2015 13:19:44 GMT
I guess moreover what I'm saying is if Berube did come back it wouldn't be the end of the world as it is being portrayed because he isn't THAT bad (I'd much rather have him back than Schmidt but that is what it is), as long as he was put with the right people (as with any player). I'm not clamouring for him to come back by any means(the only import d-man I would bring back is Wild) but I don't buy into the notion that he is just god awful. I won't quote it all but that's very fair NYR, and there's a lot I agree with. I don't think Berube is a scapegoat (I know you've not said so), but he has perhaps become the embodiment of a lot of feelings about the whole team, which is probably somewhat unfair on him. Overall, I just hope we upgrade across the board and get a team we can have real faith in. (Agree about Berube over Schmidt too, but that ship's sailed as you say.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 14:17:20 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that, gonna be an interesting few months to see what Corey puts together.
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Post by GiantsFan00 on Apr 29, 2015 14:18:27 GMT
Have heard that Mark McCutcheon has been offered a contract by Panthers.
given his lack of ice time with us - if that's true then very surprised by that. He did show glimpses of potential towards the latter end of the season when he played but would be a risky signing by Corey.
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Post by iginla on Apr 29, 2015 14:40:52 GMT
God I hope not,he's just the sort of very average player we DONT want !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 14:50:59 GMT
God I hope not,he's just the sort of very average player we DONT want ! But probably will get
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Post by Gilly on Apr 29, 2015 14:53:27 GMT
God I hope not,he's just the sort of very average player we DONT want ! If he were to sign, take it back to the start of the 13/14 season where he'd just scored 60pts in 44 games in Italy. i think the majority of people would be very happy with this signing. shows he has got it, and like people have been discussing with Berube/Schmidt playing with the right players, if the line mates are wrong then stats will fall. having said that, Giants fans had slated him all season long, so would be a risk
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Post by joesteeler on Apr 29, 2015 16:01:32 GMT
Paul Thompson rumoured to be bringing Matt Francis with him to the Steelers.
Was he any good for you?
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Post by askey1989 on Apr 29, 2015 18:43:02 GMT
Bad enough we've already been forced to bring back one of last year's festering turds to clog up the blueline, don't need to make it a double. hahahahahahaha love it!!!
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Post by 5+game on Apr 30, 2015 8:05:03 GMT
Paul Thompson rumoured to be bringing Matt Francis with him to the Steelers. Was he any good for you? Easily one of our best/most consistant players in the 3 years he was with us. I for one will be gutted if he suits up for anyone else in the elite league.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 10:52:46 GMT
Paul Thompson rumoured to be bringing Matt Francis with him to the Steelers. Was he any good for you? Was he any good? were you living on mars for those 3 years?
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 30, 2015 19:38:27 GMT
looks like Higgins could be back as he put up a pic on twitter with the rock wearing a panthers cap but I don't know whether it means anything but would like to see him back but not if he is injured for most the season again
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Post by 5+game on May 1, 2015 7:39:03 GMT
looks like Higgins could be back as he put up a pic on twitter with the rock wearing a panthers cap Ive seen plenty of players wearing NHL and football caps and none of those signed for that team. Not sure he's really a player we need, very flashy at times but the most of his dipsy doodling ended up with him running out of room and giving the puck up. He also lacks any physical strength or aggression.
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Post by nate24 on May 1, 2015 9:19:02 GMT
looks like Higgins could be back as he put up a pic on twitter with the rock wearing a panthers cap Ive seen plenty of players wearing NHL and football caps and none of those signed for that team. Not sure he's really a player we need, very flashy at times but the most of his dipsy doodling ended up with him running out of room and giving the puck up. He also lacks any physical strength or aggression. I've seen people speculate on less evidence. This is a rumour thread after all.
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Post by deadbunny on May 1, 2015 11:30:32 GMT
looks like Higgins could be back as he put up a pic on twitter with the rock wearing a panthers cap Ive seen plenty of players wearing NHL and football caps and none of those signed for that team. Not sure he's really a player we need, very flashy at times but the most of his dipsy doodling ended up with him running out of room and giving the puck up. He also lacks any physical strength or aggression. Here's hoping he brings Dwayne Johnson with him!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 11:36:58 GMT
Indeed, if only to deliver a Rock Bottom on Jason Hewitt at centre ice before taking out the rest of the Steelers bench with a steel chair :-D
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Post by nate24 on May 1, 2015 21:39:08 GMT
Indeed, if only to deliver a Rock Bottom on Jason Hewitt at centre ice before taking out the rest of the Steelers bench with a steel chair :-D That would be well worth the ban to see that bearded pillock slammed!
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