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Post by kezypanther on Feb 3, 2015 20:43:14 GMT
We finally have a player in the top 20 players - Chris Lawrence at 20th with 45 points.
Our next is Bruce at 40th!
We are still grinding out the results so that's the main thing, would have been good to Doucet here from the off though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 22:22:00 GMT
I think that says more good about our team than bad.
If we only have 1 point scorer in the top 40 and we're in 2nd place, that shows just how spread out our points are. Players aren't going to be on fire all season. Look at Roy and Fretter and Forney in Sheffield. They were hailed as "the best line in the league". But shut them down like we did and they're very limited. Lawrence hasn't always played well but when he does he scores important goals. You could do a "first goal scorer prediction" but I'd have trouble picking someone I was confident of out of all our our forwards because anyone of them can score at any time.
Agree with Doucet, he's said this league suits him better so hopefully Corey can get his signature down for next year
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 13:23:11 GMT
It's a miracle that the player is Lawrence as well. According to many he's not good enough.
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Post by Shorty on Feb 4, 2015 14:21:07 GMT
Lawrence hasn't always played well but when he does he scores important goals. I would say that Lawrence scores important goals irrespective of whether he has had a good or bad game! No doubt he has an eye for goal, but if he was connecting with a quarter of the one-timers he attempts on powerplays, then he probably would not be playing in our league. Touches of brilliance harnessed with a lack of awareness at times. Undoubtedly though, he is our go to guy when we need a goal (although some may argue Doucet), and Sheffield have already said they need to close him down on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 14:58:18 GMT
Lawrence hasn't always played well but when he does he scores important goals. I would say that Lawrence scores important goals irrespective of whether he has had a good or bad game! No doubt he has an eye for goal, but if he was connecting with a quarter of the one-timers he attempts on powerplays, then he probably would not be playing in our league. Touches of brilliance harnessed with a lack of awareness at times. Undoubtedly though, he is our go to guy when we need a goal (although some may argue Doucet), and Sheffield have already said they need to close him down on Saturday. I'll be honest, that's the point I was trying to make (and failed haha). You just wanna shout "PUT SOME EFFORT IT" then out of nowhere (like on Sunday) he scores a crucial goal. And on Saturdays penalty shootout, let's be honest how many people thought he was gonna score in sudden death after all his misses against the Blaze? Then he does that. I'd love him back here next season
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Post by Dan on Feb 4, 2015 16:33:08 GMT
We've had top goalscorers and top pointscorers in our history whilst being a mediocre team. We're a far more balanced team with (more importantly) a rock solid defence too. That wins titles, not goals.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 4, 2015 17:04:11 GMT
I think it speaks well for our defence and netminding, we're getting by on relatively few goals still (lowest in the top 6).
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Post by kezypanther on Feb 4, 2015 17:58:37 GMT
When I made the thread I didn't mean to make it sound bad like it does just was a bit surprised when I looked and I still am tbh. I thought we would have more at least in the top 40.
I suppose it could be down to Our injury situation. As for lawrence I agree he has a keen eye for goal it's just his skating and balance that let's him down.
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Post by dp on Feb 4, 2015 19:13:57 GMT
Really not a fan of Lawrence at all - he'd be first on my "get rid" list for next season. Not seen many players as lazy as he is over the years, and he doesn't have the Ling/Jade talent to justify it either. Yes he's our top scorer, but in a normal season he'd be nowhere near top, nor would he be if Clarke and Doucet had played full seasons - or Higgins actually. The way I look at it is:
- how many goals SHOULD he have scored? Is our overall lack of goals due to him? - how many goals has he cost us with his lack of effort?
I think if you replaced him with somebody like DAB, and, say, Parent with even someone like Bellamy who was basically a grinder - or better still a Francis or Salters - we'd not be talking about this team having to get shut outs to win games, and we'd not have lost any of our defensive strength either. We'd be winning 5-0 rather than 1-0.
I think the fact we're in the mix for the title is purely because Corey is by far the best coach in the league and has somehow found a way to win within the restrictions placed on him this season by budget.
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Post by Olaw d'Elpus on Feb 4, 2015 19:39:18 GMT
Meanwhile, as Steelers are closing down Lawrence, ignoring Lacho, Doucet, Higgins, Benedict, Mosey... they wonder why they've just shipped five or six goals
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Post by iginla on Feb 4, 2015 20:37:06 GMT
Bit harsh on Lawrence,he's heading for a 30 plus goal season,that's pretty good.
As for the rest,injuries haven't helped our other guys stats. Last time I looked and worked it out,Lawrence was one of only three players to play every game and between the rest of our basic roster,not including CHL guys or new signings,we have lost an incredible 130 plus games to injury and we are only two thirds through the season now.
That is one heck of an injury list !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 21:19:47 GMT
Really not a fan of Lawrence at all - he'd be first on my "get rid" list for next season. Not seen many players as lazy as he is over the years, and he doesn't have the Ling/Jade talent to justify it either. Yes he's our top scorer, but in a normal season he'd be nowhere near top, nor would he be if Clarke and Doucet had played full seasons - or Higgins actually. The way I look at it is: - how many goals SHOULD he have scored? Is our overall lack of goals due to him? - how many goals has he cost us with his lack of effort? I think if you replaced him with somebody like DAB, and, say, Parent with even someone like Bellamy who was basically a grinder - or better still a Francis or Salters - we'd not be talking about this team having to get shut outs to win games, and we'd not have lost any of our defensive strength either. We'd be winning 5-0 rather than 1-0. I think the fact we're in the mix for the title is purely because Corey is by far the best coach in the league and has somehow found a way to win within the restrictions placed on him this season by budget. Your view on Bruce Graham this season would be interesting.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 4, 2015 21:24:10 GMT
Really not a fan of Lawrence at all - he'd be first on my "get rid" list for next season. Not seen many players as lazy as he is over the years, and he doesn't have the Ling/Jade talent to justify it either. Yes he's our top scorer, but in a normal season he'd be nowhere near top, nor would he be if Clarke and Doucet had played full seasons - or Higgins actually. The way I look at it is: - how many goals SHOULD he have scored? Is our overall lack of goals due to him? - how many goals has he cost us with his lack of effort? I think if you replaced him with somebody like DAB, and, say, Parent with even someone like Bellamy who was basically a grinder - or better still a Francis or Salters - we'd not be talking about this team having to get shut outs to win games, and we'd not have lost any of our defensive strength either. We'd be winning 5-0 rather than 1-0. I think the fact we're in the mix for the title is purely because Corey is by far the best coach in the league and has somehow found a way to win within the restrictions placed on him this season by budget. Very harsh. I know he had a leg injury when he came to us and that might have something to do with his mobility still now but he has scored some season saving goals so far.
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Post by iginla on Feb 4, 2015 21:28:57 GMT
Lawrence isn't lazy,he's languid.
Watch the winning goal on Sunday against the Giants,he reached for and won a puck that was not his to win,then swivelled and whipped it into the corner of the net. A lazy player like say Galbraith wouldn't even have gone for that puck,never mind won it and scored !
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Post by dp on Feb 4, 2015 21:48:48 GMT
Really not a fan of Lawrence at all - he'd be first on my "get rid" list for next season. Not seen many players as lazy as he is over the years, and he doesn't have the Ling/Jade talent to justify it either. Yes he's our top scorer, but in a normal season he'd be nowhere near top, nor would he be if Clarke and Doucet had played full seasons - or Higgins actually. The way I look at it is: - how many goals SHOULD he have scored? Is our overall lack of goals due to him? - how many goals has he cost us with his lack of effort? I think if you replaced him with somebody like DAB, and, say, Parent with even someone like Bellamy who was basically a grinder - or better still a Francis or Salters - we'd not be talking about this team having to get shut outs to win games, and we'd not have lost any of our defensive strength either. We'd be winning 5-0 rather than 1-0. I think the fact we're in the mix for the title is purely because Corey is by far the best coach in the league and has somehow found a way to win within the restrictions placed on him this season by budget. Very harsh. I know he had a leg injury when he came to us and that might have something to do with his mobility still now but he has scored some season saving goals so far. I just can't help but compare him to a load of the top scorers we've had over the years and he doesn't even come close - a lot of the things he does are just plain poor quality. He seems to have a lot of attempts and every so often something comes off so his stats don't look that bad. He also annoys me that he nearly always seems to be on the ice when something kicks off but he never wants to know and is always quite happy for Farmer to step in, despite being much bigger than Farmer is - it just all gives the impression of him not being bothered. My view on Graham is that if you let him play the role Lawrence does i.e. seemingly giving him no defensive responsibility and putting him on the "top" line, then I think Graham would be much higher than 20th in the league's top scorers (assuming a full season).
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Post by dp on Feb 4, 2015 21:49:42 GMT
Lawrence isn't lazy,he's languid. Watch the winning goal on Sunday against the Giants,he reached for and won a puck that was not his to win,then swivelled and whipped it into the corner of the net. A lazy player like say Galbraith wouldn't even have gone for that puck,never mind won it and scored ! I think that's my problem with him - he's not lazy when he's got a sniff of glory (but not in a good way)....
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Post by Shaggy on Feb 4, 2015 22:26:07 GMT
We've had top goalscorers and top pointscorers in our history whilst being a mediocre team. We're a far more balanced team with (more importantly) a rock solid defence too. That wins titles, not goals. This. Plus... I can't get my head wrapped around the idea that this-or-that player scores more goals than some/most/all of the team, but needs to be disposed of because he doesn't score on a high percentage of attempts. So what? Yes, it would be very nice to up the percentage, but I'll take a high number of goals over a high percentage of converted attempts any day. Goals win games... percentages don't. I too find Lawrence very frustrating... at times he really does seem to be lazy. But is that him or my perception of him? I could be totally wrong about him, couldn't I? Either way, he's not just scoring a lot of goals, he's scoring them at crucial times - which makes them all the more valuable. Based on what he's done for us this season so far, if he wants back next season and Corey & Strachs want him back... then so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 22:47:18 GMT
He's played 46 games and scored 45 points. Now I don't know about anyone else but a player working at practically a point a game is what I want on my team. Clarke was also going at a point a game before his injury. And yes Doucet would probably be a higher scorer if he had been here all season. But he hasn't. And without Lawrence popping up when he has, we wouldn't be in this title race.
He might not have the glamour of a player like Ling. he might not have the sniping ability of a player like DAB. But he produces the goods in THIS team. Every year we have a different squad with different abilities and I just think that to say you're disappointed with our top scorer is a bit harsh. It's quite clear that we are defensive minded this year and I genuinely think this is one of the better Neilson teams we've seen. Glamorous no. But I be willing to argue that this team is one of the most hard-working I've seen. And as long as they keep going every game, that's all any fan wants to see
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Post by wgray on Feb 5, 2015 1:38:38 GMT
I personally feel this team has got a great balance to it
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Post by spik on Feb 5, 2015 15:25:07 GMT
We finally have a player in the top 20 players - Chris Lawrence at 20th with 45 points. Our next is Bruce at 40th! We are still grinding out the results so that's the main thing, would have been good to Doucet here from the off though. To add....I have updated the top players in the LEAGUE only, on Fixtures thread. Not much difference as Lawrence is joint 21st with 36 Points in that one.Then Lachowicz equal 37th and Wild equal 40th.
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