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Post by Old Timer on Jan 11, 2015 11:05:30 GMT
If The Clan win the league this year, will the conferences be scrapped in the future?
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 11, 2015 11:09:17 GMT
I hope so
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Post by ted logan on Jan 11, 2015 11:22:28 GMT
I like the idea of the conference system and would be tempted to keep it but only if all the teams play each other an equal number of times. Say 3 home and 3 away = 54 games.
The current format is like a team being given the chance of winning the premier league playing Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal once but QPR, Leicester and Hull 3 times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 11:33:12 GMT
There's no if about it. Looking at their fixtures they'll win the league by at least 10pts.
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Post by iginla on Jan 11, 2015 12:21:52 GMT
Now Braehead are established and able to compete financially with the big boys it is seriously unfair and they have a huge advantage.
It should be revised for next season without question.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 11, 2015 12:47:01 GMT
It's bad enough that Giants get a bye group for the Challenge Cup without giving the Clan one for the league.
I've never been a fan of the conference system full stop (not enough teams in the league to justify it leading to too much repetition of games within the conferences) and will be very happy if it goes.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 11, 2015 13:11:23 GMT
I don't really see how it can be changed just yet given the original objectives the system was set up as.
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 11, 2015 13:24:47 GMT
If the new London team joins next season we'll have an odd number of teams so won't the conference system become unviable?
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 11, 2015 14:11:23 GMT
I don't really see how it can be changed just yet given the original objectives the system was set up as. Of course it can be changed. The original objectives (if I remember right) was to cut costs for the 'smaller' teams (who were at the time largely the Scottish ones) through reduced travel and produce more competitive games. As it stands one of the teams in the Gardiner (Hull) has actually increased its travelling, whilst also having a reduced gate receipt from fewer visits from its two closest neighbours (Sheffield and Nottingham) who traditionally take good crowds there. At the same time Braehead are dominating their conference, meaning that the remaining teams in their conference are only really competitive against each other. So for two teams in the Gardiner at least the idea behind its formation is failing, though I bet one team is less happy about than the other!
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jan 11, 2015 14:22:05 GMT
If the fixture structure were to remain - ie, 2xhome+away cross-conference, x 4xhome+away inter-conference - this could be balanced out by making it 4pts for a win on the cross-conference - this would mean Both Clan and Panthers would be playing for 16pts over their total matches against Dundee, for example.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 11, 2015 14:29:20 GMT
I don't really see how it can be changed just yet given the original objectives the system was set up as. Of course it can be changed. The original objectives (if I remember right) was to cut costs for the 'smaller' teams (who were at the time largely the Scottish ones) through reduced travel and produce more competitive games. As it stands one of the teams in the Gardiner (Hull) has actually increased its travelling, whilst also having a reduced gate receipt from fewer visits from its two closest neighbours (Sheffield and Nottingham) who traditionally take good crowds there. At the same time Braehead are dominating their conference, meaning that the remaining teams in their conference are only really competitive against each other. So for two teams in the Gardiner at least the idea behind its formation is failing, though I bet one team is less happy about than the other! Personally I am not a fan of the conference system as it seems we are playing the same teams over and over and that must be the same for all teams of course. So long as the league are at the mercy of the likes of the smaller Scottish teams then I can't see it changing any time soon.
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Post by loveday on Jan 11, 2015 15:13:57 GMT
Braehead only have 6 Erhardt Con games left to play .3 of them against us. 1 each Belfast, Sheffield and Cardiff We have 17 Erhadt to play..
So it is obvious who has the easiest finish to the League title ..we need a miracle from the Gardener Teams to put up a better fight to beat Braehead.!!!! .)
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Post by panthermatt on Jan 11, 2015 15:26:26 GMT
Well it would appear that the conference system does need to be looked at again even if the rumoured new teams do not appear next season as now that Braehead seem to have gone someway to surpass the reasons for the conference system as it clearly gives them somewhat of an advantage over the likes of us, Sheffield, Cardiff and Belfast.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 11, 2015 22:54:51 GMT
The Panthers have lost more games at home to Gardiner Conference teams than the Braehead Clan have home or away, despite such a big fuss being made of how many times the Clan play those sides. Just thought I'd point that out.
Belfast won the League and Conference at an absolute canter last season, does that make the Erhardt Conference or the league in general rubbish? Or is it the team that happens to win the most of their games actually deserves to win the league? Doing that over a span of 52 matches is very tough regardless of who it is, and requires luck in both signings made and injuries, along with having good team chemistry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 23:16:31 GMT
The Panthers have lost more games at home to Gardiner Conference teams than the Braehead Clan have home or away, despite such a big fuss being made of how many times the Clan play those sides. Just thought I'd point that out. Belfast won the League and Conference at an absolute canter last season, does that make the Erhardt Conference or the league in general rubbish? Or is it the team that happens to win the most of their games actually deserves to win the league? Doing that over a span of 52 matches is very tough regardless of who it is, and requires luck in both signings made and injuries, along with having good team chemistry. Just because we can't perform against Gardner teams doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sorry but when 4/5 teams in that conference sit in the bottom half of the league there's clear proof of a quality difference whether you want to admit it or not.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 11, 2015 23:19:57 GMT
The Panthers have lost more games at home to Gardiner Conference teams than the Braehead Clan have home or away, despite such a big fuss being made of how many times the Clan play those sides. Just thought I'd point that out. Belfast won the League and Conference at an absolute canter last season, does that make the Erhardt Conference or the league in general rubbish? Or is it the team that happens to win the most of their games actually deserves to win the league? Doing that over a span of 52 matches is very tough regardless of who it is, and requires luck in both signings made and injuries, along with having good team chemistry. Just because we can't perform against Gardner teams doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sorry but when 4/5 teams in that conference sit in the bottom half of the league there's clear proof of a quality difference whether you want to admit it or not. Ok, if the Gardiner Conference is so "easy", please explain to me how the Panthers have lost all 3 of their home games to Fife?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 23:24:19 GMT
Just because we can't perform against Gardner teams doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sorry but when 4/5 teams in that conference sit in the bottom half of the league there's clear proof of a quality difference whether you want to admit it or not. Ok, if the Gardiner Conference is so "easy", please explain to me how the Panthers have lost all 3 of their home games to Fife? Think you missed my point of "it's irrelevant if we can't beat the Gardner teams". If you read my comment again you may see it. I will happily admit we've been poor in cross conference games and anyone on this forum will agree. But as I say, 4/5 teams in your conference make up the bottom half of the league and are a fair way off the top 5. That's just how it is.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 11, 2015 23:27:14 GMT
The Panthers have lost more games at home to Gardiner Conference teams than the Braehead Clan have home or away, despite such a big fuss being made of how many times the Clan play those sides. Just thought I'd point that out. Belfast won the League and Conference at an absolute canter last season, does that make the Erhardt Conference or the league in general rubbish? Or is it the team that happens to win the most of their games actually deserves to win the league? Doing that over a span of 52 matches is very tough regardless of who it is, and requires luck in both signings made and injuries, along with having good team chemistry. Win percentages by conference. Gardiner: Clan 0.721 Stingrays 0.466 Flyers 0.455 Capitals 0.394 Stars 0.318 Erhadt: Panthers 0.694 Steelers 0.677 Devils 0.677 Giants 0.656 Blaze 0.379 Pretty clear which conference is stronger.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 11, 2015 23:30:14 GMT
I can only repeat my 2 previous points, if it's so easy for the Clan who by the definition of the vast majority on here are an "inferior" team in at least budget terms if not actual playing ability, how can it be so easy for our club to beat Fife but so hard for yours?
Did Panthers score own goals or something in their matches with Fife? Were Panthers just completely rubbish? Or is there just a chance Fife weren't as bad a team as you expected and they showed you up for it? You can only beat who you play each and every night, and if you win most of those you will rightly finish top regardless of your conference, this is the point I keep hammering home, and will keep doing so until it starts to sink in.
If we win it, it's because we deserve to. If Sheffield, you guys, Belfast or Cardiff do so it's because they simply deserve it, no more - no less.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 11, 2015 23:34:46 GMT
The Panthers have lost more games at home to Gardiner Conference teams than the Braehead Clan have home or away, despite such a big fuss being made of how many times the Clan play those sides. Just thought I'd point that out. Belfast won the League and Conference at an absolute canter last season, does that make the Erhardt Conference or the league in general rubbish? Or is it the team that happens to win the most of their games actually deserves to win the league? Doing that over a span of 52 matches is very tough regardless of who it is, and requires luck in both signings made and injuries, along with having good team chemistry. Win percentages by conference. Gardiner: Clan 0.721 Stingrays 0.466 Flyers 0.455 Capitals 0.394 Stars 0.318 Erhadt: Panthers 0.694 Steelers 0.677 Devils 0.677 Giants 0.656 Blaze 0.379 Pretty clear which conference is stronger. Clan form at home to Fife: Played: 3 Won: 3 Panthers form at home to Fife: Played: 3 Lost: 3 What does Conference placing have to do with that?
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 11, 2015 23:40:11 GMT
I can only repeat my 2 previous points, if it's so easy for the Clan who by the definition of the vast majority on here are an "inferior" team in at least budget terms if not actual playing ability, how can it be so easy for our club to beat Fife but so hard for yours? Did Panthers score own goals or something in their matches with Fife? Were Panthers just completely rubbish? Or is there just a chance Fife weren't as bad a team as you expected and they showed you up for it? You can only beat who you play each and every night, and if you win most of those you will rightly finish top regardless of your conference, this is the point I keep hammering home, and will keep doing so until it starts to sink in. If we win it, it's because we deserve to. If Sheffield, you guys, Belfast or Cardiff do so it's because they simply deserve it, no more - no less. Fact is that while we've been poor against Gardiner teams thus far, Braehead have taken them to the cleaners (to your credit) getting 0.825 of the points, but against Erhart teams youre only 0.571. Thats fine until you tilt the fixtures such that you play those 4 weak teams twice as often, not just than the panthers but all your other contenders people think the current system is a farce.
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Post by Bolts on Jan 11, 2015 23:41:00 GMT
Simple terms for you as you seem to be playing the 'everyone thinks we're a small club card' You play a lot more easier games, more often than the teams in our conference.
You can't compare playing Edinburgh to Cardiff or Dundee too Belfast, you just can't. The league placings don't lie.
Panthers results aside that's the facts.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 11, 2015 23:42:14 GMT
Win percentages by conference. Gardiner: Clan 0.721 Stingrays 0.466 Flyers 0.455 Capitals 0.394 Stars 0.318 Erhadt: Panthers 0.694 Steelers 0.677 Devils 0.677 Giants 0.656 Blaze 0.379 Pretty clear which conference is stronger. Clan form at home to Fife: Played: 3 Won: 3 Panthers form at home to Fife: Played: 3 Lost: 3 What does Conference placing have to do with that? You have 4 whipping boys in your conference, we have 1 (and no its not the Steelers). Simples!
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Post by Discoray on Jan 11, 2015 23:44:36 GMT
I can only repeat my 2 previous points, if it's so easy for the Clan who by the definition of the vast majority on here are an "inferior" team in at least budget terms if not actual playing ability, how can it be so easy for our club to beat Fife but so hard for yours? Did Panthers score own goals or something in their matches with Fife? Were Panthers just completely rubbish? Or is there just a chance Fife weren't as bad a team as you expected and they showed you up for it? You can only beat who you play each and every night, and if you win most of those you will rightly finish top regardless of your conference, this is the point I keep hammering home, and will keep doing so until it starts to sink in. If we win it, it's because we deserve to. If Sheffield, you guys, Belfast or Cardiff do so it's because they simply deserve it, no more - no less. Fact is that while we've been poor against Gardiner teams thus far, Braehead have taken them to the cleaners (to your credit) getting 0.825 of the points, but against Erhart teams youre only 0.571. Thats fine until you tilt the fixtures such that you play those 4 weak teams twice as often, not just than the panthers but all your other contenders people think the current system is a farce. Sounds like grasping at straws to me, good luck telling whoever wins the Stanley Cup their win is worth less on the basis they only played opposite conference sides twice and same conference sides many more times.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 11, 2015 23:45:35 GMT
Simple terms for you as you seem to be playing the 'everyone thinks we're a small club card' You play a lot more easier games, more often than the teams in our conference. You can't compare playing Edinburgh to Cardiff or Dundee too Belfast, you just can't. The league placings don't lie. Panthers results aside that's the facts. "Easier" games you've lost a much higher portion of.
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