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Post by Shorty on Dec 14, 2014 19:18:57 GMT
Is simulation (diving) still a penalty?
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 14, 2014 19:28:02 GMT
Yes but not as a stand alone penalty, so it can only be called with a trip, slash, hook etc to the other player.
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Post by Shorty on Dec 14, 2014 19:30:38 GMT
So there is nothing to discourage players from trying to draw penalties with blatant dives then?
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 14, 2014 19:32:44 GMT
Maybe they could call an unsportsmanlike conduct or similar but no, there is no punishment.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Dec 14, 2014 19:55:02 GMT
Some shockers tonight. Lloyd and the nettie spring to mind.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 14, 2014 20:14:50 GMT
It's the way they fell over and immediately looked over to the ref with their arms out that annoyed me.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 14, 2014 20:22:39 GMT
I take it that they were not playing the off-side rule when it came to the Giants and glad that the theatrics from Lloyd and their nettie were ignored
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Post by Yotes on Dec 14, 2014 20:26:32 GMT
It'd be interesting to see our 2nd and 3rd goals again, I thought both were offside at the time.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 14, 2014 20:35:09 GMT
Lloyd is a complete turd. Nearest thing to a footballer with his diving and theatrics. Cheating basically.
Not good to see and genuinely hope this doesn't catch on and become a widespread issue.
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Post by goon37 on Dec 15, 2014 13:14:54 GMT
Yes but not as a stand alone penalty, so it can only be called with a trip, slash, hook etc to the other player. Didn't realise it had to be called with another penalty - but now I think about it, I've never seen it called on its own. I always love the confused look on other fans who wonder 'how can it be tripping AND a dive.' You can guarantee some very annoyed people, even though it makes perfect sense.
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Post by Neil on Dec 15, 2014 13:36:54 GMT
Why have a diving penalty if you cant use when someone dives!? The nettie incident should have been called, simple as.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 15, 2014 13:40:19 GMT
Why have a diving penalty if you cant use when someone dives!? The nettie incident should have been called, simple as. Did they find the sniper?
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Post by Yotes on Dec 15, 2014 14:13:01 GMT
He was caught by the guys stick as he went past, think it was Lacho. Not badly or deliberately, but netminders always ham it up, including ours.
Plus in the time the game continued (wasn't whistled dead immediately) we still failed to put the puck in the empty net.
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Post by nate24 on Dec 16, 2014 6:35:25 GMT
I take it that they were not playing the off-side rule when it came to the Giants and glad that the theatrics from Lloyd and their nettie were ignored They missed off aides both ways to e fair.
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Post by Warren on Dec 16, 2014 8:27:57 GMT
Yes but not as a stand alone penalty, so it can only be called with a trip, slash, hook etc to the other player. It can be called but not as diving. It would be unsportsmanlike conduct. I have seen it in this league, possibly only once. Trouble is our refs are normally quite good at calling a penalty when there is one. The issue is getting the right player and the right one. There is the magical "Hooking" call that seems to be at least Hicks' coverall penalty.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 16, 2014 9:45:10 GMT
Yes but not as a stand alone penalty, so it can only be called with a trip, slash, hook etc to the other player. It can be called but not as diving. It would be unsportsmanlike conduct. I have seen it in this league, possibly only once. Trouble is our refs are normally quite good at calling a penalty when there is one. The issue is getting the right player and the right one. There is the magical "Hooking" call that seems to be at least Hicks' coverall penalty. Yes I agree but the question was specifically about diving, it makes me laugh when people (like on Sunday) sit there screaming for a diving penalty without understanding the ref would have to call a penalty on both teams so there would be no benefit.
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Post by Neil on Dec 16, 2014 11:53:37 GMT
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 16, 2014 11:59:02 GMT
I read this too and wondered the same but I am sure I read somewhere that the dive had to be called alongside another penalty. I personally have never seen a dive called on its own. I'm sure someone can dig out this rule for us?
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Post by Warren on Dec 16, 2014 12:46:51 GMT
It can be called but not as diving. It would be unsportsmanlike conduct. I have seen it in this league, possibly only once. Trouble is our refs are normally quite good at calling a penalty when there is one. The issue is getting the right player and the right one. There is the magical "Hooking" call that seems to be at least Hicks' coverall penalty. Yes I agree but the question was specifically about diving, it makes me laugh when people (like on Sunday) sit there screaming for a diving penalty without understanding the ref would have to call a penalty on both teams so there would be no benefit. Isn't The diving call "unsportsmanlike conduct for diving"? I thought I read that the NHL toyed with the idea of only calling the diving and allowing the other penalty to slide (or was it 2+2 for diving) giving the none offending team a PP.
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Post by Warren on Dec 16, 2014 12:49:14 GMT
I read this too and wondered the same but I am sure I read somewhere that the dive had to be called alongside another penalty. I personally have never seen a dive called on its own. I'm sure someone can dig out this rule for us? IIHF Rule Book PDFSo no mention of the other penalty.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 16, 2014 12:58:02 GMT
I read this too and wondered the same but I am sure I read somewhere that the dive had to be called alongside another penalty. I personally have never seen a dive called on its own. I'm sure someone can dig out this rule for us? IIHF Rule Book PDFSo no mention of the other penalty. That would make sense, rather than only calling it at the same time as calling an opposing player for a trip - could/should be called the Daryll Lloyd rule?
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