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Post by 5+game on Dec 12, 2014 6:52:38 GMT
Questions again from people who don't understand or don't want to understand. DoPS only reviews game misconducts / match pens, a club can ask for an investigation into other matters should they wish. Nottingham didn't on Dowd. I'm guessing they didn't, on the Coventry hit either. If they did then it would be reviewed. NO club owner has a say on DoPS, in fact until the penalty / suspension is made public they aren't even advised, Tony Smith included. So these comments are just simply wrong.
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The above isn't my words, but the question is, if the hit was as bad from Dowd as some people are making out (not just on here), then why didn't your club ask for a review?
We shouldnt have had to ask for the coventry hit to be reviewed as sindal was given a game penalty so this should have happened automatically. Im sure i read somewhere that all incidents that cause an injury would be looked at automatically so dowds should have been.
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Dec 12, 2014 8:32:32 GMT
Post by Warren on Dec 12, 2014 8:32:32 GMT
Questions again from people who don't understand or don't want to understand. DoPS only reviews game misconducts / match pens, a club can ask for an investigation into other matters should they wish. Nottingham didn't on Dowd. I'm guessing they didn't, on the Coventry hit either. If they did then it would be reviewed. NO club owner has a say on DoPS, in fact until the penalty / suspension is made public they aren't even advised, Tony Smith included. So these comments are just simply wrong.
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The above isn't my words, but the question is, if the hit was as bad from Dowd as some people are making out (not just on here), then why didn't your club ask for a review?
If you are going to Quote something, then please provide the source otherwise it is again just Chinese Whispers. <Conspiracy Tin Foil Hat On> Panthers may of asked. Lack of video evidence of a review doesn't mean there wasn't one, or that the review happened <Tin Foil Hat Removed> As I say, The rules of all Game Misconducts and above isn't how it should be. It should be Misconduct penalties in general. Injury on the play is a little too subjective.
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Dec 12, 2014 10:17:23 GMT
Post by Yotes on Dec 12, 2014 10:17:23 GMT
We shouldnt have had to ask for the coventry hit to be reviewed as sindal was given a game penalty so this should have happened automatically. Maybe they did review it and decided no further sanction was necessary? They don't seem to be making videos for those sorts of decision. A lot on here thought that, on second viewing, that hit wasn't as bad as it first looked.
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Dec 12, 2014 10:18:08 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 12, 2014 10:18:08 GMT
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Post by ted logan on Dec 12, 2014 10:25:26 GMT
It just seems as though 'Golden Child' Dowd can do no wrong in Steelerland.
It was a hit/check to the head. He looked around and saw Oakford coming and raised his arm/shoulder to make contact with the head. He had no regard for the safety of the opposing player. The opposing player sustained a head injury and has not played since.
Opposing teams (whether that be fans/officials or both) lose so much credibility with their blatant one eyed view of incidents like this. I recall many, if not most, on here (myself included) saying that Kelsey Wilson got off light for his 'lumberjack' attack.
You can't have one rule for the rest of the league and 1 rule for your team. Or maybe you can?
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Dec 12, 2014 10:33:46 GMT
Post by Doom on Dec 12, 2014 10:33:46 GMT
It just seems as though 'Golden Child' Dowd can do no wrong in Steelerland. It was a hit/check to the head. He looked around and saw Oakford coming and raised his arm/shoulder to make contact with the head. He had no regard for the safety of the opposing player. The opposing player sustained a head injury and has not played since. Opposing teams (whether that be fans/officials or both) lose so much credibility with their blatant one eyed view of incidents like this. I recall many, if not most, on here (myself included) saying that Kelsey Wilson got off light for his 'lumberjack' attack. You can't have one rule for the rest of the league and 1 rule for your team. Or maybe you can? I guess we all see it differently, but I didn't see anything wrong with what Dowd did. To my mind it was the sort of situation you see a number of times in a game, unfortunately this time someone got injured. Dowd was static at the side of the boards and saw Oakford coming in from the side. Dowd braised himself for the hit, turning his shoulder in the direction of Oakford and transferring his weight to that side so that he could ride the hit better. Unfortunately Oakford didn't go in shoulder to shoulder to make the hit, he dropped his head with eyes fixed firmly on the puck and caught Rod Dowd's shoulder. I'm guessing the powers that be see it the same way as me, hence no further disciplinary. Regards Doom
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 10:35:17 GMT
I'd bet you'd see it differently if it was the other way round Doom.
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Dec 12, 2014 10:38:39 GMT
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Post by 5+game on Dec 12, 2014 10:38:39 GMT
We shouldnt have had to ask for the coventry hit to be reviewed as sindal was given a game penalty so this should have happened automatically. Maybe they did review it and decided no further sanction was necessary? They don't seem to be making videos for those sorts of decision. A lot on here thought that, on second viewing, that hit wasn't as bad as it first looked. It would be nice to know tho wouldn't it just to make thing clear. if im being honest I don't think the Coventry hit was worthy of a suspension just like Benny's wasn't. What my problem is, is that Dowd was issued a 2+10 for checking to the head and it caused an injury meaning Oakford has missed 2 1/2 games. By the letter of the law he checked him to the head and caused an injury which should be a ban. If it isn't worthy of a ban then they must have decided that it wasn't a check to the head and the penalty should be wiped from his record.
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Dec 12, 2014 10:44:40 GMT
Post by Doom on Dec 12, 2014 10:44:40 GMT
I'd bet you'd see it differently if it was the other way round Doom. You maybe correct Jono, but I'm guessing if it was the other way around and a suspension was handed out, the same supporters on here who are questioning the lack of a suspension, would be complaining about the sport becoming non-contact and it being a routine hit. I think it's fair to say we probably all usually see things from our own teams perspective.....It comes with the territory of being a supporter. Regards Doom
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Dec 12, 2014 10:47:44 GMT
Post by fishman on Dec 12, 2014 10:47:44 GMT
Well it's not long before we have 2 games with the Steelers lets see if he gets some on ice justice, panthers style!!!!!!!!
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Post by ted logan on Dec 12, 2014 10:48:16 GMT
It just seems as though 'Golden Child' Dowd can do no wrong in Steelerland. It was a hit/check to the head. He looked around and saw Oakford coming and raised his arm/shoulder to make contact with the head. He had no regard for the safety of the opposing player. The opposing player sustained a head injury and has not played since. Opposing teams (whether that be fans/officials or both) lose so much credibility with their blatant one eyed view of incidents like this. I recall many, if not most, on here (myself included) saying that Kelsey Wilson got off light for his 'lumberjack' attack. You can't have one rule for the rest of the league and 1 rule for your team. Or maybe you can? I guess we all see it differently, but I didn't see anything wrong with what Dowd did. To my mind it was the sort of situation you see a number of times in a game, unfortunately this time someone got injured. Dowd was static at the side of the boards and saw Oakford coming in from the side. Dowd braised himself for the hit, turning his shoulder in the direction of Oakford and transferring his weight to that side so that he could ride the hit better. Unfortunately Oakford didn't go in shoulder to shoulder to make the hit, he dropped his head with eyes fixed firmly on the puck and caught Rod Dowd's shoulder. I'm guessing the powers that be see it the same way as me, hence no further disciplinary. Regards Doom Yes - clearly Oakford attacked Dowds shoulder with his head. I'd bet you'd see it differently if it was the other way round Doom. You maybe correct Jono, but I'm guessing if it was the other way around and a suspension was handed out, the same supporters on here who are questioning the lack of a suspension, would be complaining about the sport becoming non-contact and it being a routine hit. I think it's fair to say we probably all usually see things from our own teams perspective.....It comes with the territory of being a supporter. Regards Doom When it was the other way around a suspension was handed out - Lepine got 4 games for Globke attacking his shoulder with his head
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Dec 12, 2014 10:51:07 GMT
Post by Doom on Dec 12, 2014 10:51:07 GMT
Well it's not long before we have 2 games with the Steelers lets see if he gets some on ice justice, panthers style!!!!!!!! There was plenty of time in the last game to hand out justice to Rob Dowd, but none of your players bothered. That would suggest they either didn't see the hit properly or they didn't think it was particularly bad. With the puck being located where the hit happened, I would guess your players were looking straight at the incident. Regards Doom
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Post by 5+game on Dec 12, 2014 10:57:45 GMT
Well it's not long before we have 2 games with the Steelers lets see if he gets some on ice justice, panthers style!!!!!!!! There was plenty of time in the last game to hand out justice to Rob Dowd, but none of your players bothered. That would suggest they either didn't see the hit properly or they didn't think it was particularly bad. With the puck being located where the hit happened, I would guess your players were looking straight at the incident. Regards Doom Or maybe our player knew they would be looking at two games for attacking an unwilling opponent.
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Dec 12, 2014 11:12:27 GMT
Post by fishman on Dec 12, 2014 11:12:27 GMT
Yes your correct, but panthers players like us have had time to look at the incident in normal and slow motion and the more you look the worse it gets and by the time these games come around Panthers will ready to give some on ice justice.
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Dec 12, 2014 11:16:10 GMT
Post by Mozzy on Dec 12, 2014 11:16:10 GMT
Questions again from people who don't understand or don't want to understand. DoPS only reviews game misconducts / match pens, a club can ask for an investigation into other matters should they wish. Nottingham didn't on Dowd. I'm guessing they didn't, on the Coventry hit either. If they did then it would be reviewed. NO club owner has a say on DoPS, in fact until the penalty / suspension is made public they aren't even advised, Tony Smith included. So these comments are just simply wrong.
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The above isn't my words, but the question is, if the hit was as bad from Dowd as some people are making out (not just on here), then why didn't your club ask for a review?
If you are going to Quote something, then please provide the source otherwise it is again just Chinese Whispers. <Conspiracy Tin Foil Hat On> Panthers may of asked. Lack of video evidence of a review doesn't mean there wasn't one, or that the review happened <Tin Foil Hat Removed> As I say, The rules of all Game Misconducts and above isn't how it should be. It should be Misconduct penalties in general. Injury on the play is a little too subjective. The source was Dave Simms, his answer to the talk on this thread.
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Dec 12, 2014 11:16:53 GMT
Post by Doom on Dec 12, 2014 11:16:53 GMT
There was plenty of time in the last game to hand out justice to Rob Dowd, but none of your players bothered. That would suggest they either didn't see the hit properly or they didn't think it was particularly bad. With the puck being located where the hit happened, I would guess your players were looking straight at the incident. Regards Doom Or maybe our player knew they would be looking at two games for attacking an unwilling opponent. If that's the thinking then I doubt there will be any retribution over Christmas. Regards Doom
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Dec 12, 2014 11:21:46 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 12, 2014 11:21:46 GMT
Just because they use this system in Europe (mentioned several times during the interview) does that automatically mean it's a good idea for us and our league?
We are trying to grow the sport in this country. I can't see how a reduction in physicality and fighting will help with this.
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Dec 12, 2014 11:22:37 GMT
Post by Mozzy on Dec 12, 2014 11:22:37 GMT
It just seems as though 'Golden Child' Dowd can do no wrong in Steelerland. It was a hit/check to the head. He looked around and saw Oakford coming and raised his arm/shoulder to make contact with the head. He had no regard for the safety of the opposing player. The opposing player sustained a head injury and has not played since. Opposing teams (whether that be fans/officials or both) lose so much credibility with their blatant one eyed view of incidents like this. I recall many, if not most, on here (myself included) saying that Kelsey Wilson got off light for his 'lumberjack' attack. You can't have one rule for the rest of the league and 1 rule for your team. Or maybe you can? Personally I do think Dowd dodged a bullet on this one.
But, according to Simmsey, an automatic review only happens on game misconducts and match penalties. As Dowd didn't receive either then it would be up to the Panthers to have a review. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, we don't know. A ban hasn't been forthcoming so either the Panthers believe it didn't deserve reviewing or DoPS ruled against any ban.
Being fair to Dowd, he was stationary when Oakford made his hit. Maybe a more experienced player wouldn't have made that hit on Dowd in the first place. He isn't looking at Dowd and his head is down as he approaches. Something to learn from that maybe.
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 12, 2014 11:25:27 GMT
Yes your correct, but panthers players like us have had time to look at the incident in normal and slow motion and the more you look the worse it gets and by the time these games come around Panthers will ready to give some on ice justice. I bet the players are quaking in their boots......
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Dec 12, 2014 11:28:08 GMT
Post by Shorty on Dec 12, 2014 11:28:08 GMT
Well it's not long before we have 2 games with the Steelers lets see if he gets some on ice justice, panthers style!!!!!!!! There was plenty of time in the last game to hand out justice to Rob Dowd, but none of your players bothered. That would suggest they either didn't see the hit properly or they didn't think it was particularly bad. With the puck being located where the hit happened, I would guess your players were looking straight at the incident. Regards Doom It was a very tight game at the time, with quite a lot at stake. So to jump straight in would probably have ended up worse for Panthers. When you look at the penalty stats this season, for some reason we are being given a hard time by the officials. If we were playing with an edge this season I would understand, but given that we do not really have anyone playing that style, and generally have a fair amount of possession in the games it does seem a little odd.
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Dec 12, 2014 11:29:27 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 12, 2014 11:29:27 GMT
Yes your correct, but panthers players like us have had time to look at the incident in normal and slow motion and the more you look the worse it gets and by the time these games come around Panthers will ready to give some on ice justice. I bet the players are quaking in their boots...... I bet Doyle is.....
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Dec 12, 2014 11:34:38 GMT
Post by Doom on Dec 12, 2014 11:34:38 GMT
There was plenty of time in the last game to hand out justice to Rob Dowd, but none of your players bothered. That would suggest they either didn't see the hit properly or they didn't think it was particularly bad. With the puck being located where the hit happened, I would guess your players were looking straight at the incident. Regards Doom It was a very tight game at the time, with quite a lot at stake. So to jump straight in would probably have ended up worse for Panthers. When you look at the penalty stats this season, for some reason we are being given a hard time by the officials. If we were playing with an edge this season I would understand, but given that we do not really have anyone playing that style, and generally have a fair amount of possession in the games it does seem a little odd. We seem to be at the lower end of the PIM's table this season, which makes a refreshing change. Apart from Cullen Eddy, we don't really have any players who play with an edge to their game, although that may change when/if Bois is fit. Don't give Dave Simms any ideas on retribution over Christmas, otherwise he'll be using it to sell tickets on Boxing Day. Regards Doom
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Dec 12, 2014 11:37:20 GMT
Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 12, 2014 11:37:20 GMT
Yes your correct, but panthers players like us have had time to look at the incident in normal and slow motion and the more you look the worse it gets and by the time these games come around Panthers will ready to give some on ice justice. I bet the players are quaking in their boots...... Boxhill is ready for action
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Dec 12, 2014 11:53:04 GMT
Post by Shorty on Dec 12, 2014 11:53:04 GMT
I bet the players are quaking in their boots...... Boxhill is ready for action The Ginger Ninja
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Post by Warren on Dec 12, 2014 12:19:15 GMT
If you are going to Quote something, then please provide the source otherwise it is again just Chinese Whispers. <Conspiracy Tin Foil Hat On> Panthers may of asked. Lack of video evidence of a review doesn't mean there wasn't one, or that the review happened <Tin Foil Hat Removed> As I say, The rules of all Game Misconducts and above isn't how it should be. It should be Misconduct penalties in general. Injury on the play is a little too subjective. The source was Dave Simms, his answer to the talk on this thread.
So far I have only seen comments from Todd Kelman, Dave Simms and Tony Smith (Though I havent explicitly been looking for it). Kelman was asking for the league to be clear on the matter and openly say what the DOPS procedure is. He did give a brief overview that he, as a Club GM, recieved. This should come through the offical channels not 1 Teams GM and another Teams Media Representative and Owner. TS maybe chairman, but if the source of the information is the Steelers he has his "Owner" hat on, not his "League Chairman" one. If DOPS was beyond reproach then I am happy to accept (begrudgingly in some cases) the decisions. They need to change the everything from top to bottom. Clear and distinct lines on when Plays get reviewed or not, Clear defined standards of type of incident carry's X days, etc. I don't care if the guys reviewing the play are in Bermuda, Sweden or Just outside Grimsby, So long as things are clear and consistent.
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