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Post by panthersnation on Sept 14, 2014 7:50:00 GMT
Was in the castle last night and got talking to a bloke who asked with all this going on with Scotland and independence, if Scotland do go for it does this effect uk hockey? does shields murphy Garside & the other Scottish lads now need to become imports? does it mean they can no longer play for gb?
thoughts?
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Post by Shorty on Sept 14, 2014 8:21:21 GMT
Makes no difference. The League have already addressed it.
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Sept 14, 2014 8:54:46 GMT
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Post by spik on Sept 14, 2014 8:54:46 GMT
Come on then. Help the query out then. How have they addressed it? In fact would GB remain as GB or would it be mild Britain? Only joking. But I have not heard the Elite's side on this.
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Post by BigLad on Sept 14, 2014 12:03:32 GMT
Makes no difference. The League have already addressed it. When/where?
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Post by Shorty on Sept 14, 2014 16:28:12 GMT
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Post by spik on Sept 14, 2014 23:02:16 GMT
So Jim (for Elite) has 'spoken' of it. No actual definite understanding it seems as they are asking questions still themselves. It just seems from assumption and earlier examples of countries splitting that things would become worse. Interesting points about Scottish players having to pay for ITC cards resulting in an unfortunate cost AND further negatives in that foreign type players becoming more accessible (cost wise) too. With the obvious of the national Scottish team dropping in the level of World play. Kenny McKie has been active in documenting on Facebook his hand in supporting the 'NO' campaign and this must be one of the reasons he supports that.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 15, 2014 11:19:51 GMT
Guess the Elite League could just classify a "Brit" as anyone trained in one of the participant nations, aside from any visa issues that may arise (Scotland would presumably be in the EU pretty quickly anyway so that wouldn't be a problem).
But from a Team GB point of view, who knows. I would assume the Scots would become a separate team? (I've not listened to the interview so this may be addressed).
I guess hockey is just a tiny question in a mass of other, much larger questions that might need an answer on Friday morning.
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Sept 15, 2014 11:31:24 GMT
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 15, 2014 11:31:24 GMT
....(Scotland would presumably be in the EU pretty quickly anyway so that wouldn't be a problem).... Hell of a presumption given Spain and Belgium's well-publicised views on the matter.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 15, 2014 11:35:29 GMT
Spain's problem would be the Catalans presumably, but what are Belgium worried about? But yes, it is a presumption, probably one that Alec and his mates have made too
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 15, 2014 11:42:52 GMT
Spain's problem would be the Catalans presumably, but what are Belgium worried about? But yes, it is a presumption, probably one that Alec and his mates have made too With Spain it is both the Catalan and Basque region they are concerned about, with Belgium it is the increasing calls for people living within Flanders to leave the rest of Belgium.
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Post by nate24 on Sept 16, 2014 14:58:35 GMT
This was posted on Reddit by user: Slapshotscotland.
ICE HOCKEY UK interim chairman Jim Anderson has slammed the Scottish Government for lack of communication ahead of this week’s Scottish referendum.
As the country goes to the polls to decide whether to make Scotland an independent nation, the sport’s chief claims there is still too much uncertainty for minority sports.
And Anderson revealed since being initially contacted two and a half years ago about the possible ramifications of the sport, he insists attempts to seek answers have gone unheeded.
He said: “We’re not getting any answers after we were first contacted in March 2012 to outline how a possible independent Scotland would affect the sport, which we replied to.
“We were meant to be having a debate, which has never came to fruition and I’m still trying to find out what’s happening.
“We’ve since had the report by Henry McLeish that outlined how sport in Scotland would be affected, but it was all top end stuff.
“It was more about football and rugby, which are more established at the world stage whereas minor sports, like ice hockey, haven’t been mentioned.”
Unlike a lot of minority sports in Scotland, ice hockey receives no external funding at government level or from UK Sport or Sport Scotland.
Anderson revealed Scotland would be accepted into the IIHF if a ‘Yes’ vote goes through, but is worried it wouldn’t be affordable.
He claims Scottish Ice Hockey would need at least £300,000 a year for an independent Scottish team to compete at the World Championship level.
It would be a hefty rise from the £60,000 to £80,000 it currently brings in annually, which comes from memberships and club affiliations.
And Anderson has accused Shona Robison MSP, the Scottish Government Secretary for Sport, for failing to grasp the predicament of minority sports.
He added: “I find that deplorable that no-one from the Scottish Government has been in touch with the BOA or UK Sport.
“I wrote to Shona Robison, via my local MSP to share my concerns and to try and ascertain some kind of direction that needs to be taken.
“The letter I received back from her, I laughed at. They obviously have no idea about sport and I’m not just talking about ice hockey.
“The Scottish Government simply hasn’t grasped what our predicament is. In the response I received, we were told Scotland could still compete in the Commonwealth Games.
“Ice Hockey isn’t in the Commonwealth Games. It’s a winter sport.
“As a board, we can’t make any kind of plan. Until we know what the policy of an independent Scotland would be should it happen, we can’t do anything.”
The ice hockey supremo also outlined possible ramifications for Scots players playing in the UK-wide Elite League, where there are four teams from north of the border.
While he accepts Scottish sides will still be able to compete in the league, the possible problems could potentially be in recruiting players.
As things currently stand, imported players are subject to visa conditions, but must have an International Transfer Card that allows them to move to foreign countries.
However Anderson claims Scottish players would need one of these to be able to play south of the border.
He said: “In many ways, our sport in Scotland is very much closely entwined with the rest of the UK, perhaps more than others.
“At the present moment, we run our own league as do our counterparts in the English Ice Hockey Association (EIHA).
“But what you have to remember is there are four Scottish teams taking part at the top level, in the Elite League, which is UK-wide.
“If there an independent Scotland, those four teams would still be able to compete. However it becomes a cross border competition under the rules of IIHF.
“Any indigenous Scottish players would require an ITC, which would cost them £850 per player because the league would be operated from England, a different sovereign country.
“I genuinely fear for the sport in the event of a Yes vote. I don’t think the whole thing has been thought through, without sounding political about it.
“I’ve been in ice hockey for 35 years and this is a massive crossroads for the sport as a whole in this country and I don’t think people realise the ramifications in sport if it went ahead.
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Post by spik on Sept 18, 2014 19:46:42 GMT
Can't have any team participants players classed as a Brit I think. Otherwise any future teams from abroad will have to go by the same ruling.Or we'd be changing rules to suit and that's not good. Anyway seems like these authorities have little clue so most of the country may be making a gigantic hopeful leap into the unknown.
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Post by spik on Sept 19, 2014 8:31:56 GMT
1.6 million against 2.0 a near half a million split going for NO 55% thus said they want to stay as a united Britain....
Scottish Lanour said not to be triamphantl but value people's thoughts and work together......
Note that Glasgow and Dundee our Scortish friends voted a big yes but in the end this is better for the sport I think.
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Post by BigLad on Sept 19, 2014 11:49:51 GMT
1.6 million against 2.0 a near half a million split going for NO 55% thus said they want to stay as a united Britain.... Scottish Lanour said not to be triamphantl but value people's thoughts and work together...... Note that Glasgow and Dundee our Scortish friends voted a big yes but in the end this is better for the sport I think. Whereas our Scottish friends Fife & Edinburgh said NO.
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Post by spik on Sept 19, 2014 15:32:17 GMT
Correct.....reference was to those areas of our team representation in the league who voted for Independance.The obvious being the others didn't . No agenda.
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Sept 19, 2014 16:28:31 GMT
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Post by nate24 on Sept 19, 2014 16:28:31 GMT
Fantastic show case of democracy! I can't help but feel that a second campaign with a bit more time and effort would possible result in a yes vote. They'd only need to away 6%.
On the hockey front it's obviously great they voted no and for the UK too.
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Post by BigLad on Sept 19, 2014 17:07:41 GMT
Should add spice to the Fife & Edinburgh vs Braehead & Dundee games...
Not like they needed it!!
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