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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 10, 2014 19:31:29 GMT
Hahaha! The people running Edinburgh are an utter joke. Video from the arc and seat numbers for the last two years too when I bet the players could actually name the home supporters at any given game if they were pressed! Absolutely classic  |
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 10, 2014 20:02:56 GMT
When I said "embarrassing" I ment the league trying to impose a video review system when some of the clubs don't have the facilities and tools to record games efficiently.
A little like trying to run with 2 ref system when there are about 5 decent refs league wide.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 10, 2014 20:39:34 GMT
When I said "embarrassing" I ment the league trying to impose a video review system when some of the clubs don't have the facilities and tools to record games efficiently. A little like trying to run with 2 ref system when there are about 5 decent refs league wide. The league can run just fine but all of the clubs have to pull their weight and at least show they are *trying* to move forwards. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 11, 2014 9:52:02 GMT
When I said "embarrassing" I ment the league trying to impose a video review system when some of the clubs don't have the facilities and tools to record games efficiently. A little like trying to run with 2 ref system when there are about 5 decent refs league wide. The league can run just fine but all of the clubs have to pull their weight and at least show they are *trying* to move forwards. By spending their money on video recording equipment, and the people to operate it, instead of putting a decent team out on the ice and promoting it properly in the local area, all so Moray can play at being Shanaban? |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 11, 2014 10:11:10 GMT
The league can run just fine but all of the clubs have to pull their weight and at least show they are *trying* to move forwards. By spending their money on video recording equipment, and the people to operate it, instead of putting a decent team out on the ice and promoting it properly in the local area, all so Moray can play at being Shanaban? Absolutely pointless banging on about grassroots, development of players, etc, etc if all there is at the end of the road is the likes of Edinburgh. Just about every other professional sport in existence has the required equipment to make the sport work so that it at least can be taken seriously and operate properly. Edinburgh *are* part of the grassroots and it's a really good move that they have put together a team that will pull more fans in and it's a fantastic place to watch hockey but over the years of visiting the place you wonder just how seriously they take themselves. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 11, 2014 10:28:21 GMT
Who's mentioned grassroots development? I'd just rather Edinburgh roll into town with a full bench every time, than have multiple angles available for Moray, sorry, The Department to ban their players.
The requirement is they record the game, which they do and, in this case, have done, but they haven't caught every action on the ice. The same could easily happen in Nottingham (I think we only use 1 camera too). It works in the NHL, because they have TV companies covering every inch, just as the 2 ref system works, because they have enough refs to make it work.
It's the usual grandiose ideas from Elite League HQ, sound good but built on sand. This one's just been shown up as a nonsense immediately. If they want to grow the league, set up The Department of Hockey Promotion (nice and pompous so it'll go down well at HQ), and send them up to Edinburgh to help them build up interest.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 11, 2014 11:10:52 GMT
Who's mentioned grassroots development? I'd just rather Edinburgh roll into town with a full bench every time, than have multiple angles available for Moray, sorry, The Department to ban their players. The requirement is they record the game, which they do and, in this case, have done, but they haven't caught every action on the ice. The same could easily happen in Nottingham (I think we only use 1 camera too). It works in the NHL, because they have TV companies covering every inch, just as the 2 ref system works, because they have enough refs to make it work. It's the usual grandiose ideas from Elite League HQ, sound good but built on sand. This one's just been shown up as a nonsense immediately. If they want to grow the league, set up The Department of Hockey Promotion (nice and pompous so it'll go down well at HQ), and send them up to Edinburgh to help them build up interest. Agreed |
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Post by Shorty on Sept 11, 2014 11:19:56 GMT
Perhaps the footage Caps have is too incriminating, and will end up in suspension of one of their players. As such, the official line is they do not have it.
Would not be the first time this has happened within the league, and probably will not be the last.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 11, 2014 12:05:43 GMT
Perhaps the footage Caps have is too incriminating, and will end up in suspension of one of their players. As such, the official line is they do not have it. Would not be the first time this has happened within the league, and probably will not be the last. Looks to me that they are desperate to find footage that shows it wasn't that bad tbh |
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Post by GuinnessMan on Sept 11, 2014 12:36:10 GMT
Isn't a copy supposed to be given to the ref on game night, as well as sending one to eihl?
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Post by Yotes on Sept 11, 2014 12:59:41 GMT
Perhaps the footage Caps have is too incriminating, and will end up in suspension of one of their players. As such, the official line is they do not have it. Would not be the first time this has happened within the league, and probably will not be the last. Would be very brave, they broadcast it live. Wouldn't think that bluff would be too hard to call. |
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Post by ted logan on Sept 12, 2014 14:21:11 GMT
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Post by 5+game on Sept 12, 2014 14:28:17 GMT
And apparently wasn't seen by the ref either, he gave the boarding call on the advice of the linesman. First time in years Edinburgh have signed a player like Emmerson and they have been screwed for it in the first game. Non contact seems the way the league wants to go forward How you can ban someone for 10 games for something you haven't seen is beyond beer league. I don't seem to remember any 10 game ban haded out for the hit on Werner that left him concussed and missing games last season. |
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Post by claretgiant on Sept 12, 2014 14:34:45 GMT
Perhaps the footage Caps have is too incriminating, and will end up in suspension of one of their players. As such, the official line is they do not have it. Would not be the first time this has happened within the league, and probably will not be the last. Looks to me that they are desperate to find footage that shows it wasn't that bad tbh I watched the game on the Capitals webcast, and it was from the very beginning of the game, not after the incident...seems its a case of the mysterious disappearing footage.  the check was dangerous and reckless....but it also wasnt helped by the size difference between the 2 players. Phillips didnt take part in the remainder of the game because of a concusion, and if thats the case he will miss a few game besides. IMO Emerson deserved a ban, 2 maybe 3 games but 10 games seems a bit extreme. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 12, 2014 14:43:23 GMT
10 games based on a guess, laughable.
No hits please, we're the Elite League.
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Post by ted logan on Sept 12, 2014 14:58:08 GMT
10 games based on a guess, laughable. No hits please, we're the Elite League. If this is a sign of things to come and a statement of intent from Hanson sorry, The DPS then maybe CN is spot on in not recruiting a tough guy/big hitter/enforcer. Don't get me wrong, i'd love to see us have a Lepine/Kelsey Wilson type player but if at the first sign of a big hit and/or player injury it's a 10 game ban then maybe we're better off without. It's a sport that you cannot sanitise completely, it's impossible. You can take sensible steps (hybrid icing etc.) to try and reduce the risk of serious injury but this is farcical. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 12, 2014 15:17:28 GMT
Definitely, imagine how long Lepine would've got for some of his if Moray had been in charge. He'd still be banned now. Waste of time trying to play physical, you get it a bit wrong and you're done.
And where does this £1000 go? Into the Elite League black hole? How about forcing Edinburgh to spend it on improved recording facilities to make sure this (failing to record the first few minutes) doesn't happen again?
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Post by Penaltybox on Sept 12, 2014 19:46:44 GMT
10 game ban for Emmerson is unfair if there is no evidence. Innocent untill proven guilty. If the ban is for the fact that the caps failed to provide a tape and a 1K fine, then the team should play 1 import down. Not ban 1 player as they think he might have made an illegal hit.
What does this say for off camera hits , which could be at the other end of the ice, we believe he sucker punched him so are going to ban him for 10 games, we have no video of this, but we believe it happened. Very Poor Show
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Post by Shorty on Sept 12, 2014 20:51:44 GMT
I doubt there was no footage seen by the people who decided on the ban.
As for confusion...... Phillips is playing tonight.
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Post by texpef on Sept 12, 2014 21:15:59 GMT
Only in English ice hockey Guilty unless proved innocent...
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 12, 2014 21:51:35 GMT
What a joke!
Looks like we made a good call signing no tough players.
I await the super duper league review video and explanation as to exactly why this is a 10 game ban???
I still think my rule where the offended player has to sit out too is a good one. If it was that bad sit Phillips for 10 to ensure he is ok. How on earth can the league sit by while Belfast ice a concussed player tonight???
I can understand the fine for no video but it's got to be either or. You can't fine for no video and also suspend the player? If there's no video the call on the ice must stand. I'm glad this is not panthers involved but this ruling is truely outrageous and mind boggling! No confidence in the people running the sport anymore, glad I have no season ticket. Joke start to the season I hope caps sue the league.
Interestingly this only got 2 games on the chl euro league:
Sorry emmerton the league has decided its s no for you and a no to exciting edge players. They'd rather we fork out to see boring players like Phillips.
Are we in the euro league yet? Hurry up mr black, please exit this beer hole.
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Post by iginla on Sept 12, 2014 22:38:06 GMT
Pathetic decision,you cannot ban a player for 10 games on no video evidence.
The department of silly walks "explanation" should be good for a laugh anyway.
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 13, 2014 12:57:12 GMT
As for confusion...... Phillips is playing tonight. So it was either not a concussion*, meaning that Giants may have over-stated things in order to influence any punishment handed out over the alleged hit, or it was a concussion and Giants have ignored the current protocol with regards to management of concussion within ice hockey (minimum of seven days before return to play using the IIHF Return to Play '6 Step' procedure). Either lying or having little regard for player safety, stay classy Belfast. (* Current procedure is to treat 'suspected concussion' as a slight concussion and follow the return to play guidelines, player saftey being paramount.) |
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Post by iginla on Sept 14, 2014 11:59:00 GMT
So Sheffields Mark Thomas gets a one game ban for a reckless late hit,clear as day on the video,yet Emmerson gets 10 games for a hit where theyr'e guessing at what happened ?
Emmersons must have been some bad hit to warrant 10 times the punishment Thomas has got,because that is a nasty and very late hit by Thomas.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 14, 2014 16:52:23 GMT
So Sheffields Mark Thomas gets a one game ban for a reckless late hit,clear as day on the video,yet Emmerson gets 10 games for a hit where theyr'e guessing at what happened ? Emmersons must have been some bad hit to warrant 10 times the punishment Thomas has got,because that is a nasty and very late hit by Thomas. Agreed. If Emmerson's ban was solely about his hit, then he must have borrowed a chainsaw and taken the Belfast player's head off if it was 10x worse than that Thomas hit! I mean, come on... Thomas was lining up the guy whilst he had his back turned, and just kept on going! But it's pretty obvious that the Emmerson ban isn't just about his hit. The DOP(e)S - the so-called 'Department Of Player Safety' - must have wanted to punish Edinburgh heavily for not providing the video... and given that the Caps are probably the most financially-vulnerable team in the league, hitting them with a fine greater than the £1k that was actually dished out... well, not conducive to keeping 10 teams going in the league, is it? So it looks like they took it out on the player. Edinburgh are - quite rightly - appealing against the 10 game ban ( <link>). One has to wonder if they'll get anywhere... the DOP(e)S will no doubt want to show that they Mean Business (TM) at the start of the season. For the first review of the season anyway... reverting to type now with the Thomas hit. The EIHL (In)Disciplinary Committee may have been re-branded... but 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'. |
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