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Post by kezypanther on Aug 23, 2014 9:56:49 GMT
I came across this thread and thought it was interesting regarding team budgets and salaries. Are their any surprises and what would our league be ? Here are our CHL opponents: Lukko Budget: €7,4 million Player-salaries: € 2,5 million Hamburg Freezers Budget: €6,8 million Player-salaries: €3,5 Luleå Budget: €4,6 million Player-salaries: €2,1 million [Figures were posted in 2012] forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?11337-Team-budgets-around-the-world! |
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Post by centreiceuk on Aug 23, 2014 19:59:05 GMT
Educated guess on my part of course, but I think the Panthers player salaries budget would be around €1million, or not certainly not much more than that anyway. I think HC Bern's player budget was something crazy like €14million.
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Post by doug on Aug 24, 2014 14:15:48 GMT
Educated guess on my part of course, but I think the Panthers player salaries budget would be around €1million, or not certainly not much more than that anyway. I think HC Bern's player budget was something crazy like €14million. You could probably halve that to around £400,000. |
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Post by doug on Aug 24, 2014 14:16:03 GMT
Educated guess on my part of course, but I think the Panthers player salaries budget would be around €1million, or not certainly not much more than that anyway. I think HC Bern's player budget was something crazy like €14million. You could probably halve that to around £400,000. |
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Post by Dan on Aug 24, 2014 15:55:02 GMT
Sadly, it's unrealistic to think the Panthers can ever get to that level. No matter how many great business decisions we make and how many trophies we win, our awful domestic league will always hold us back. I know that's cocky, but it's the truth for everyone. We need a massive shift in grass roots development (and I mean MASSIVE) to even get to one or two financial levels below Lulea, let alone Hamburg.
It's a shame. A European league is the only way we can progress past our currently level.
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Post by bobness on Aug 24, 2014 18:28:01 GMT
I'd say our player budget is something like...
18 players, average £750 a week, including bonuses, for 35 weeks.
That's £450-500k.
600k euros. Ish.
That may be toppy, but I can't imagine too many players are playing for beer money.
I'd be surprised if many of the opposition players are on £10k a week?
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Post by nate24 on Aug 24, 2014 18:35:51 GMT
Sadly, it's unrealistic to think the Panthers can ever get to that level. No matter how many great business decisions we make and how many trophies we win, our awful domestic league will always hold us back. I know that's cocky, but it's the truth for everyone. We need a massive shift in grass roots development (and I mean MASSIVE) to even get to one or two financial levels below Lulea, let alone Hamburg. It's a shame. A European league is the only way we can progress past our currently level. Lulea are one of the favourites to win the tournament so I'm not sure what you mean by 'let alone Hamburg' as I believe the Swedish League is rated higher than the DEL. I stand to be corrected I am just trying to understand what you mean. I am in favour of what you say and a major shift is required from the very bottom of development. If we are serious anyway. There is a feeling that British Ice Hockey as in British player and over all league development has peaked. This would be sad indeed. At the end of the day it's financial. If we are making the most out of hockey we possibly can investment will be hard to come by. If we push the markets to build the appetite for hockey more and put bums on seats to increase revenue from tickets, concessions and advertisements then there will be incentive to grow the sport further. At the minute interest in the sport certainly seems stable but that means it is not climbing. Thinking about it maybe the first step above all is marketing. Really sell the product we have. Though a bit stale to old hands this is still an exciting sport and the EIHL, EPL and ENIHL all should try and pull more people through the door. TV, radio, print and the web are the battlegrounds. Invest there for a couple of seasons, if it increases attendance and interest start to funnel that revenue into grass roots development as marketing. Keep going until we go full circle and we have interest in all levels of hockey and revenue streaming in to support it. That is fairly idealistic I know but it has just come to me so I ran with it! I'm passionate about this sport and the CHL has opened my eyes. I may seem hypocritical compared to some of my other posts but my mind is running in over drive and I am very open minded so the concepts in my mind are very fluid. I am also studying Business at the OU which has opened my eyes a great deal! |
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Post by iginla on Aug 24, 2014 19:42:41 GMT
Which type of hockey would we rather watch though,because we can't have both ?
Would we rather have an upgraded,bigger budget Panthers team,reasonably able to compete,playing fast fairly non contact hockey with virtually no rough stuff like we saw this weekend.
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Would we rather watch a lesser standard of more physical hockey,with some rough stuff,the odd fight and the potential for a simmering undercurrent in some games giving the potential for something tasty to kick off.
Personally,I would prefer the latter,but what would you rather see ?
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Aug 24, 2014 19:51:16 GMT
Having read what the other teams within our group of the CHL are paying salaries
There are a few points to add
I’m not sure if the teams within the EIHL will ever make the same level as the top clubs in the CHL
No other team within the EIHL would have done any better in the games than we did
In the old days of the ISL that’s the reason it went bankrupt – no wage cap and was there an import quota (feel free to correct me)
Nobody within the UK has got the sort of money mentioned against the other clubs
It needs a seriously rich backer to do this, with a long term guarantee that the sport is sustainable and big crowds (in excess of 5000 will turn up every week)
The other big thing that has been mentioned is development of players from a young age and the monies required to do it and bring players ‘through the system’ as such
To make Ice Hockey more appealing there has to be more clubs of a better standard, plus better and bigger facilities (though I’m not sure how many local authorities or leisure operators are willing to build a large arena such as Nottingham, Sheffield or Belfast without it being a mutli use facility)
Ice Hockey as a sport needs to be marketed a lot better, by the clubs and the media (both locally & nationally) – I didn’t see the Panthers CHL game listed in today’s sports fixture listing in either todays Mail on Sunday or yesterday’s Daily Mail where they always indicate the weekends sporting events.
I know Nottingham Panthers have pushed the CHL in the public domain in a big way, with great local press coverage (TV, Radio and local paper), and on the internet too; this is hopefully to get people to the games.
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Post by Dan on Aug 24, 2014 22:12:37 GMT
Lulea are one of the favourites to win the tournament so I'm not sure what you mean by 'let alone Hamburg' as I believe the Swedish League is rated higher than the DEL. I stand to be corrected I am just trying to understand what you mean. I said financially, and Hamburg's playing budget is considerably bigger than Lulea's. |
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Post by nate24 on Aug 25, 2014 6:04:52 GMT
I said financially, and Hamburg's playing budget is considerably bigger than Lulea's. Ah ok, sorry man. I was just getting a little mixed up. However this does show that a bigger playing budget doesn't always guarantee victory. |
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Post by Heanor Lair on Aug 25, 2014 6:18:48 GMT
Some interesting comments. I agree that the Panthers will find it difficult to move forward within the current EIHL structure, as indeed would Belfast, and Sheffield. Neil Black has been fantastic with his backing, but he would need other investors on board to subsidise our existence in a European League. Its all pie in the sky stuff I suspect, but wouldn't it be nice to see teams of the standard of Lukkos and Luleas of this world playing at The NIC regularly.
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Post by nate24 on Aug 25, 2014 6:42:48 GMT
Some interesting comments. I agree that the Panthers will find it difficult to move forward within the current EIHL structure, as indeed would Belfast, and Sheffield. Neil Black has been fantastic with his backing, but he would need other investors on board to subsidise our existence in a European League. Its all pie in the sky stuff I suspect, but wouldn't it be nice to see teams of the standard of Lukkos and Luleas of this world playing at The NIC regularly. That would be the goal but they would be British teams. I do think the answer would be a salary cap and floor but then the league would implode as only us and one or two others would be able to afford entry. |
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Post by finnishvisitor on Sept 2, 2014 5:53:15 GMT
That would be the goal but they would be British teams. I do think the answer would be a salary cap and floor but then the league would implode as only us and one or two others would be able to afford entry. I think what your team and any british team needs is improvement in junior developement and reducing the maximum number of imports to, say, 4-5 so the british players would have more ice-time in their teams and thus getting better. After the level of national players gets better it's easier to get those few really good players on board. And yes, it's that easy only on paper, reality is whole different thing |
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