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Post by kingmonkeybutt on Aug 23, 2014 13:25:42 GMT
offer the webcast like the NFL only when games have a certain attendance
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Post by bruinspanthers on Aug 23, 2014 20:33:15 GMT
offer the webcast like the NFL only when games have a certain attendance I've always said this I get the Panthers veiwpoint but when the game has sold out, why not offer a webcast then it's extra money then
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nate24
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Post by nate24 on Aug 24, 2014 16:55:46 GMT
I never thought I'd say this but we need to ditch the import limit. We can't grow our league as it is.
British players need to be pushed to develop and while home comforts and money are as good as they are in the EIHL they have no incentive.
We don't have enough decent quality Brits to be able to rely o them so heavily. Very sad but very true. Maybe in 4 or 5 years of a no limits era enough would of pushed their development to come back and enable a limit without a consequence to quality.
The whole of the EIHL would benefit as we are stagnant and until radical measures are taken we cannot even dream of having several European ready teams to offer the CHL in the future.
All EIHL teams need to move forward for the our sakes and theirs. A salary floor and cap may be needed to ensure all entrants are competitive.
This won't happen as there is not enough money in the UK hockey markets and only half the league would make it I feel.
Those are just my ideas but I don't know what the answer is but we need to find away to reboot and kick start the EIHL. It can't go on like this.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 24, 2014 17:25:51 GMT
You need one or two teams from here to step up a league and pull in proper TV money and *proper* sponsorship to drag the level up throughout the UK. Those two things are the two differences between us and the better leagues. Romantic ideas about developing Brits through better grass roots is a fantastic dream to hold on to but it's never going to happen. Proper money coming in and a MUCH higher profile is the only way and I think there are a few teams here that could do it and I'm pretty sure it's being looked at quite seriously.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 24, 2014 17:27:13 GMT
Btw, hats off to Neil Black and thank you for having a proper go at the CHL. Respect to you and hopefully this direction is the future.
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 24, 2014 17:45:06 GMT
I never thought I'd say this but we need to ditch the import limit. We can't grow our league as it is. British players need to be pushed to develop and while home comforts and money are as good as they are in the EIHL they have no incentive. We don't have enough decent quality Brits to be able to rely o them so heavily. Very sad but very true. Maybe in 4 or 5 years of a no limits era enough would of pushed their development to come back and enable a limit without a consequence to quality. The whole of the EIHL would benefit as we are stagnant and until radical measures are taken we cannot even dream of having several European ready teams to offer the CHL in the future. All EIHL teams need to move forward for the our sakes and theirs. A salary floor and cap may be needed to ensure all entrants are competitive. This won't happen as there is not enough money in the UK hockey markets and only half the league would make it I feel. Those are just my ideas but I don't know what the answer is but we need to find away to reboot and kick start the EIHL. It can't go on like this. Whilst I can't fault your eventual aims, I firmly believe that your chosen method is the wrong one. Abolishing the import limit wouldn't help British player development one bit - it would do it an immense amount of damage. How do we know this? - because it's been done before. There were seasons in the Superleague era when the number of British players across the entire league who got anything more than the odd shift or two could be counted on the fingers of both hands and still give you a digit or two to pick your nose. Sad but true. Piddling about with the import limit is a smokescreen, anyway... it's an 'easy answer' which is actually anything but an answer... just fools people into thinking that something is being done. We can talk about 'pushing' British players and 'incentives' all we like... but the are so many obstacles placed in their way that even many of those who have all the incentive in the world just end up not getting anywhere. The import limit is the demand side of the equation... what needs to be done is to concentrate on the supply side of the equation... actually developing more and better British players. It's not an easy answer, it's not a 'quick fix' (two lies for the price of one, that phrase)... but nothing good ever came easy. We need more time, effort, money, ice time, etc put into junior development. More and better coaching. More support from senior teams (including, but not limited to, the EIHL teams). British ice hockey needs what British cycling got (although realistically on a smaller scale!)... and look what happened there. You can't 'encourage' or 'incentivise' success... you have to build it. From the bottom up. Create a solid, productive junior system (does anyone truly think that country-wide, that's what we've got now?) and fully incorporate it into the structure of the sport as a whole. The only way we're going to truly get anywhere is to create a system whereby a kid in the U10s pulls on his pee-wee jersey and knows that he's going to get all the help he needs to develop himself, and that there's a clear path from where he is now, right through the juniors, through the lower-level seniors and up to the EIHL. And the national team. It's still mainly down to the player himself... but we need him to have a clear path. Which is simply not the case right now. And that means every single level of this sport, from juniors to seniors, every league, every one of our too-ruddy-many governing bodies working together. And there's the sticking point... because, with a lamentably-few exceptions, everyone is just too damned concerned with their own little corner and to hell with the rest. But that's the way to go. If you want an analogy... you don't build a strong house from the top down... you start at the foundations and work up.
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Post by nate24 on Aug 24, 2014 17:53:19 GMT
Shaggy, your way is the way I've advocated for years. I wish it would happen I just can't see it ever happening.
Maybe some hybrid development system where players at some stage going abroad as I feel no matter how good outer development system gets time abroad is critical.
I'm glad you recognise my goals thought and I'm not being sarcastic. Some have misconstrued my aim as anti-British but that couldn't be further from the truth.
It's time for a long hard look at the system followed by revolution.
From learn to skate to the EIHL and Team GB. Hockey was built from a British concept and it's time we made steps to get back on the radar.
I love the game and I would love GB players to be sought after as much as other Europeans.
As to how that happens I am open minded and love the discussions on the subject.
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Post by grumpy on Aug 25, 2014 13:49:24 GMT
Whilst I do agree with Shaggy`s comments in general, I think the analogy with cycling is a little misleading. Anyone can buy a cycle and ride it - if they show enthusiasm and aptitude beyond going round the block they can then join a club, and, as Shaggy implied, have a clear path to either leisure or competitive cycling. To get into ice hockey at any level requires commitment from both skater and family as well as a considerable financial outlay, knowing that a young boy or girl may lose interest. That and the fact that you do need rather specialised facilities - i.e, a local rink and coaching. This is not a criticism of his views, which are well argued and sound but I just think that there are many more difficulties facing anyone wanting to take up the sport.
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Post by nate24 on Aug 25, 2014 17:38:59 GMT
One thing I want to clarify regarding my point of view.
We have the right people within player development in general. I've seen the Nottinngham, Coventry and Sheffield systems for development and the people involved are passionate and mostly do it for the love of the game.
They need support financially and professionally. That would help. If a coach wants to do a course to help their team there should be someone they can go to for help with funding and organisation.
Most teams systems are volunteer led and they should not have to pay out of there own pocket.
The money to do such a thing would have to be generated through sponsorship and such at a guess.
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