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Post by ted logan on Feb 4, 2014 20:32:50 GMT
The 'like' button. Not so many people posting '+1' +1 Had to do it!
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Post by Bolts on Feb 5, 2014 0:35:25 GMT
Ive personally found the whole league a little boring this year and it's spilled over into my hockey following in general.
To be honest, I'm bored of us playing coventry, Cardiff and sheffield all the time. Hearing the same old '100 tickets left' 'scores will be settled' 'Saturday is going to be a barnstormer'
I miss playing Edinburgh on a Sunday afternoon after they've just beat sheffield the night before etc etc
I feel the conferences have just taken the edge of everything. Plus it was a come down on last year.
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Post by panthersdave on Feb 5, 2014 0:51:28 GMT
I agree its all too samey.
Also mid season grudges havent been allowed to happen due to over zealous disciplinary processes.
Suspentions and injury have actually made it difficult to follow the Panthers this year as its impossible for the team to gel and have an identity that fans can feed off. I think many of the teams have had similar problems this year - except Belfast of course.
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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2014 0:56:11 GMT
Twitter happened.
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Post by bobness on Feb 5, 2014 8:28:00 GMT
Thank goodness I missed that, then.
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Post by sameagain on Feb 5, 2014 8:36:48 GMT
Ive personally found the whole league a little boring this year and it's spilled over into my hockey following in general. To be honest, I'm bored of us playing coventry, Cardiff and sheffield all the time. Hearing the same old '100 tickets left' 'scores will be settled' 'Saturday is going to be a barnstormer' I miss playing Edinburgh on a Sunday afternoon after they've just beat sheffield the night before etc etc I feel the conferences have just taken the edge of everything. Plus it was a come down on last year. Funny how we differ, I very rarely go yo watch the other conference teams when we are at home for me boring as hell. Hull away most times an a weekend away in Scotland ,but that has ceased this season.
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Post by richard1969 on Feb 6, 2014 7:24:30 GMT
I'm not sure that's to blame ? Other sports forums I use are busier than ever now though
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Post by spik on Feb 6, 2014 11:31:19 GMT
Ive personally found the whole league a little boring this year and it's spilled over into my hockey following in general. To be honest, I'm bored of us playing coventry, Cardiff and sheffield all the time. Hearing the same old '100 tickets left' 'scores will be settled' 'Saturday is going to be a barnstormer' I miss playing Edinburgh on a Sunday afternoon after they've just beat sheffield the night before etc etc I feel the conferences have just taken the edge of everything. Plus it was a come down on last year. Not only financial reasons for me either. It's as you say the whole package disinterest. Fed up with the 'entertainment' then acceptance of the format even though WE as a team have achieved. I am a hockey fan not just a Panthers fan. Wish the league can be reduced in games and other competitions improved. Even if we are to meet the same teams as many times as we have had to endure. It can be split into all competitions. Rid 'dual' competition games and spice up the presentation. Luckily have the Winter Olympics to feast on next couple of weeks.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 6, 2014 12:38:45 GMT
Less league games against the same oppostion has to be looked at.
If we played less league games then surely this would then leave time to extend the play offs somehow and have some proper 'series' battles.
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 6, 2014 12:47:58 GMT
As much as I would love to see a longer playoff series, I doubt many teams could afford to book their arenas out for games that may not happen.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 6, 2014 13:07:12 GMT
As much as I would love to see a longer playoff series, I doubt many teams could afford to book their arenas out for games that may not happen. True - ideally it (longer PO series) is a no brainer and most fans would be in favour i would imagine? Logistically as you say it probably will never happen though which is a shame
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Post by 5+game on Feb 6, 2014 14:12:25 GMT
For me its been a culminations of things.
Winning the league - this has put pay to a lot of the maybe next year/where are we going wrong posts and people are now happy to have the monkey off their backs.
Trolls - Too many trolls are posting on here looking for as many digs as possible and unfortunately and this isn't a dig at the mods, but these trolls arnt dealt with severly enough and should be banned a lot quicker.
To many idiots looking for arguments - A lot of the time people post and are then subjected to abuse by posters just looking to start an argument for no reason.
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Post by texpef on Feb 6, 2014 15:57:29 GMT
As far as the playoffs go the best idea is to go back to the mini league series under the Heineken days. Split the league in half then play each other ONCE home and away and top two go through... that simple...
Means the playoffs would be the top 8 clubs, and 3 home and 3 away games...
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Post by spik on Feb 6, 2014 19:46:01 GMT
As much as I would love to see a longer playoff series, I doubt many teams could afford to book their arenas out for games that may not happen. True - ideally it (longer PO series) is a no brainer and most fans would be in favour i would imagine? Logistically as you say it probably will never happen though which is a shame Which is why I came up with the format in the 'Fixtures thread' to give about the same number of games for all.
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 6, 2014 20:51:31 GMT
honestly, without a diagram that looks far to hard to work through, sorry
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Post by texpef on Feb 7, 2014 10:41:59 GMT
Whats hard about 2 groups? Basically split the conferences in half put half in each and play each other once home and away?...
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 7, 2014 11:18:34 GMT
that's not spik's proposal though - for a start the first round is just the bottom four - the winners then play 5th and 6th placed - the winners of this round then play the losers of the top fours quarter final?
so if I read this right - the 10th placed team would play the 8th placed team (home and away)- and if they win they would then play either the 5th or 6th placed team (home and away) and if they then won that round of games they would play one of the losers from the top four playoff quarter finals?
it would still mean teams finishing in the top four not knowing if they had 1 home to book (if they win their quarter finals) or two games (if they do not they have to play the winners of the other quarter finals) and the bottom 4 team may need to book 1 home game or 2 or 3 (depending on how well they do) and the 5th / 6th place team would need 1 or 2 home games, again depending on how well they do.
there - you made me bloody go through it :/
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Post by flyerpanther on Feb 7, 2014 11:50:27 GMT
id go bak to the heineken format with texpef.. if arena teams find it difficult to schedule matches..so what they should the play their home games 'away' and stop booking Strictly and fracking Disney on ice!
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 7, 2014 12:34:58 GMT
if arena teams find it difficult to schedule matches..so what they should the play their home games 'away' and stop booking Strictly and fracking Disney on ice! Arena teams don't book "Strictly and fracking Disney on ice" (sic), arena owners do. Sorry, does the reality that 'big teams' have to compete at a commercial level with the various other users of said arenas not tally up with your little team image of arena teams having success handed to them on a platter?
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Post by spik on Feb 7, 2014 13:05:52 GMT
that's not spik's proposal though - for a start the first round is just the bottom four - the winners then play 5th and 6th placed - the winners of this round then play the losers of the top fours quarter final? so if I read this right - the 10th placed team would play the 8th placed team (home and away)- and if they win they would then play either the 5th or 6th placed team (home and away) and if they then won that round of games they would play one of the losers from the top four playoff quarter finals? it would still mean teams finishing in the top four not knowing if they had 1 home to book (if they win their quarter finals) or two games (if they do not they have to play the winners of the other quarter finals) and the bottom 4 team may need to book 1 home game or 2 or 3 (depending on how well they do) and the 5th / 6th place team would need 1 or 2 home games, again depending on how well they do. there - you made me bloody go through it :/ You seem to have got your head around it, well done ......and that is a good point you made as regards booking games in advance. But that is the organisers issue to deal with if they looked more into this. They can either settle for a definite 2 games if you like and go with that. But the idea was to make teams fight for a good league position and reap reward the higher you got as opposed to jocky position for a 'basic' (what we have now) mere 2 games into the finals weekend for all. Always going to be a fault somewhere but what we have now is naff.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 7, 2014 16:33:10 GMT
Bored at work, so here's my league commissioner moment:
CC (8 games max) First Round - Pre-season hat draw for 5 direct match ups, 2 legged ties (to be played in September/October) [2 games] Second Round - 5 winners from round 1 into a group stage, play each other once, each side getting 2 home and 2 road, draw from hat for which (to be played November to January) [4 games] Final Round - Top 2 play 2 legged final (to be played February) [2 games]
No ties allowed to be doubled with league games. Or skipped altogether, Belfast.
Advantages - Removes ridiculous first round knockout 2 teams table structure, possibility of the "bigger" clubs drawing each other in round 1 for a bit of excitement/one'll go from the comp etc, teams stuggle to find ice time for it so number of games reduced. Game should all mean more.
League (52 games) Same as now, 32 conference games, 20 external conference games.
Advantages - Keeps the 8 pay days that Nottingham and Sheffield will want, conference system does give clubs something else to play for. Reduction in travel for some teams. Disadvantages - Seeing own conference 4 times each at home might still be too much, but at least you'd see less of them in the CC.
Playoffs (8 games max) First Round - Top 8 as now into 2 groups (say 1, 3, 6 and 8, and 2, 4, 5 and 7), play each other home and away [6 games] Finals Round - Playoff Weekend, top 2 from each group into usual semi-final, final strucutre [2 games]
Advantages - Keeps the weekend, increases the difficulty of winning it (matches the CC), still keeps 8 teams in. Disadvantages - Still will need, at relatively short notice, 3 home dates each for the first round, but that's not insurmountable I wouldn't think.
Current max games: 70 (52 league, 14 CC, 4 PO), min games: 60 (52L, 8CC, 0PO) This system max games: 68 (52 league, 8 CC, 8 PO), min games: 54 (52L, 2CC, 0PO)
Min games might be too few for some, but not considered double up games etc so maybe they're already closer to 54 than 60.
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Post by flyerpanther on Feb 8, 2014 1:09:07 GMT
if arena teams find it difficult to schedule matches..so what they should the play their home games 'away' and stop booking Strictly and fracking Disney on ice! Arena teams don't book "Strictly and fracking Disney on ice" (sic), arena owners do. Sorry, does the reality that 'big teams' have to compete at a commercial level with the various other users of said arenas not tally up with your little team image of arena teams having success handed to them on a platter? no..i genuinely wouldnt swap theFIA for any other arena..i feel part of the game and its certainly a better atmosphere with real interaction with players...i always feel that the bigger arenas 'dilute' the game a bit imo
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 8, 2014 10:34:29 GMT
..i genuinely wouldnt swap theFIA for any other arena... I never asked if you'd swap the FIA for any other arena. I posted to counter your assumption that the arena teams have a say on other events that are booked for the venues at which they play and whom said teams have to compete commercially with for ice time. I also posted it as an example of how 'arena teams' don't have it handed to them on a plate, having many concerns that 'little teams' don't have and as such their fans might not comprehend.
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Post by flyerpanther on Feb 8, 2014 11:55:11 GMT
..i genuinely wouldnt swap theFIA for any other arena... I never asked if you'd swap the FIA for any other arena. I posted to counter your assumption that the arena teams have a say on other events that are booked for the venues at which they play and whom said teams have to compete commercially with for ice time. I also posted it as an example of how 'arena teams' don't have it handed to them on a plate, having many concerns that 'little teams' don't have and as such their fans might not comprehend. look judt beat Hull eh? and take out a few..
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Post by spik on Feb 8, 2014 17:35:26 GMT
Bored at work, so here's my league commissioner moment: CC (8 games max)First Round - Pre-season hat draw for 5 direct match ups, 2 legged ties (to be played in September/October) [2 games] Second Round - 5 winners from round 1 into a group stage, play each other once, each side getting 2 home and 2 road, draw from hat for which (to be played November to January) [4 games] Final Round - Top 2 play 2 legged final (to be played February) [2 games] No ties allowed to be doubled with league games. Or skipped altogether, Belfast.Advantages - Removes ridiculous first round knockout 2 teams table structure, possibility of the "bigger" clubs drawing each other in round 1 for a bit of excitement/one'll go from the comp etc, teams stuggle to find ice time for it so number of games reduced. Game should all mean more. League (52 games)Same as now, 32 conference games, 20 external conference games. Advantages - Keeps the 8 pay days that Nottingham and Sheffield will want, conference system does give clubs something else to play for. Reduction in travel for some teams. Disadvantages - Seeing own conference 4 times each at home might still be too much, but at least you'd see less of them in the CC. Playoffs (8 games max)First Round - Top 8 as now into 2 groups (say 1, 3, 6 and 8, and 2, 4, 5 and 7), play each other home and away [6 games] Finals Round - Playoff Weekend, top 2 from each group into usual semi-final, final strucutre [2 games] Advantages - Keeps the weekend, increases the difficulty of winning it (matches the CC), still keeps 8 teams in. Disadvantages - Still will need, at relatively short notice, 3 home dates each for the first round, but that's not insurmountable I wouldn't think. Current max games: 70 (52 league, 14 CC, 4 PO), min games: 60 (52L, 8CC, 0PO) This system max games: 68 (52 league, 8 CC, 8 PO), min games: 54 (52L, 2CC, 0PO) Min games might be too few for some, but not considered double up games etc so maybe they're already closer to 54 than 60. Main problem here is that the max/min stretches to 14 games between those who win and others. never thought about KO before round robin for Cup but it brings about that 14 game gap. In the end all we need (whatever we did) would be a basic Cup tournament without all this 'double up rubbish' and a better PO scenario.Think it's looking straight at us....the old Autumn Cup and old PO format as Tex says.
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