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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 20, 2014 17:37:41 GMT
In which case that was the linesman's decision, not Darnell's. Well done to the linesman, through gritted teeth. It will be interesting to see how many times it is called in future. I am not holding my breath, as in 33 years of watching the game, I have never heard it called before. As good as this decision seems to have been, it makes a mockery off all the easy ones they get wrong.
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Post by panthersdave on Jan 20, 2014 17:43:14 GMT
Has anyone ever seen/heard that 'premature goalie substitution' call used before - I know I haven't. Can we expect it to be consistently called in the future? Probably not. Nope, but it's not the first time there's been a call made that's a new one on me, and probably won't be the last time either. I still remember my first clipping  I doubt any of us can say that, with us up at one end on delayed penalty, we were looking back to our bench to see if Conway was within 5ft of it when skater #6 jumped on the ice. Someone earlier said the linesman was making it clear to us what we'd done, but we didn't react to that. Seems fair enough to me. In this instance I did notice, the extra skater was on the ice but Conway was still in goal. It was an error on our part, and a big one. The lino had noticed and was pointing, presumably to tell the bench there was an issue. Eventually they had to stop play. In summary it was called because it was an obvious error. |
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Post by bobness on Jan 20, 2014 18:38:33 GMT
Ouch.
Bang to rights is the phrase that springs to mind.
Well reffed and lined, it appears.
One thing's for sure, if the opposition ever pull the goalie in the future, they'll be some serious debate on here as to where the goalie was when skater #6 hopped over the boards. Especially if they score.
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Post by bobness on Jan 20, 2014 18:40:37 GMT
Maybe we should have a thread "Favourite rule that you know that you think no-one else knows about". We could do it a bit like "Pointless"? "Clueless"?  |
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Post by dp on Jan 20, 2014 21:21:30 GMT
Check out Darnell's performance in the Blaze-Devils highlights from yesterday! Absolutely appalling.
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Post by voth26 on Jan 20, 2014 22:23:05 GMT
anyone have a link to blaze/devils highlights thanks
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Post by panthersdave on Jan 20, 2014 22:42:12 GMT
anyone have a link to blaze/devils highlights thanks Cant do a link on my phone but its on youtube. Just search for coventry blaze and sort by upload date. Harvey turtled by the way |
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Post by scorch125 on Jan 21, 2014 10:00:36 GMT
"Meanwhile, Cardiff Devils defenceman Brad Plumton has had his match penalty for excessive roughness downgraded to a 5+game misconduct penalty for roughing.
Plumpton was assessed the penalty in the first period (15:43) of the game in Coventry.
Head of discipline, Moray Hanson, said: "The penalty has been downgraded after the referee reviewed the game tape and requested the change to myself as head of discipline."
So Plumton gets no ban for being...essentially...a goon. Shocking by Darnell to overturn his decision,spineless by Hanson,I know all of you ain't no fan of Harvey's and think he has had this coming for a long time
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Post by ted logan on Jan 21, 2014 10:23:45 GMT
Has anyone ever seen/heard that 'premature goalie substitution' call used before - I know I haven't. Can we expect it to be consistently called in the future? Probably not. Nope, but it's not the first time there's been a call made that's a new one on me, and probably won't be the last time either. I still remember my first clipping I doubt any of us can say that, with us up at one end on delayed penalty, we were looking back to our bench to see if Conway was within 5ft of it when skater #6 jumped on the ice. Someone earlier said the linesman was making it clear to us what we'd done, but we didn't react to that. Seems fair enough to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the call - sounds like our bench got it wrong. So if it's the right call then it's the right call whether we like it our not. At the time (unaware of the upcoming 'premature' call) I was berating Darnell for whistling too soon on a delayed penalty when we'd still got the puck. Once he'd whistled, there was no way he was going to give the goal. Then the call was announced and even the walking rulebook that sits in front of me said nothing. It was a new one on most of us i think? It will be interesting to see how many of our fans are paying close attention to the opposition bench on the next delayed penalty. 5ft tape measure anyone?  |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 21, 2014 10:31:25 GMT
So Plumton gets no ban for being...essentially...a goon. Shocking by Darnell to overturn his decision,spineless by Hanson,I know all of you ain't no fan of Harvey's and think he has had this coming for a long time 5+G is about right for that. Harvey clearly boards him in the build up, I don't think there's any grounds for indignation from the Blaze side of it. |
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Post by mattscold on Jan 21, 2014 11:50:41 GMT
So Plumton gets no ban for being...essentially...a goon. Shocking by Darnell to overturn his decision,spineless by Hanson,I know all of you ain't no fan of Harvey's and think he has had this coming for a long time 5+G is about right for that. Harvey clearly boards him in the build up, I don't think there's any grounds for indignation from the Blaze side of it. Looks pretty similar to the Henley / Spencer incident to me... how many games did Henley get...? |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 21, 2014 12:09:46 GMT
2 games, but it wasn't Brent's first excessive roughness misconduct of the season, plus I personally think he did more of a job on Spencer than Plumton did on Harvey there.
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Post by mattscold on Jan 21, 2014 12:27:47 GMT
2 games, but it wasn't Brent's first excessive roughness misconduct of the season, plus I personally think he did more of a job on Spencer than Plumton did on Harvey there. Yeah i take the point regarding it not being Henley's first offence but I think other than that the situations are very similar. 1 guy didnt drop the gloves, other guy hammers him and doesnt stop once the linesman come in. The fact that it was in retaliation to a boarding "should" be irellevant surely? It would have been fair, IMHO, to leave the call as it was. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 21, 2014 13:51:25 GMT
Yeah I wasn't saying the boarding makes it OK to react like Plumton does, although perhaps understandable, just that it makes a Blaze fan calling out Darnell and Hanson for it a bit rich.
Maybe they should've left it as was, although they'll have had a better view of what punishment Plumton managed to inflict there, I doubt Harvey would've looked to do him any favours when getting up from the ice.
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Post by scorch125 on Jan 21, 2014 14:00:05 GMT
Yeah I wasn't saying the boarding makes it OK to react like Plumton does, although perhaps understandable, just that it makes a Blaze fan calling out Darnell and Hanson for it a bit rich. Maybe they should've left it as was, although they'll have had a better view of what punishment Plumton managed to inflict there, I doubt Harvey would've looked to do him any favours when getting up from the ice. Darnell was shocking for both teams on Saturday night,the Henley call on griffin for roughing was soft,the roughing penalty against Wilson for sticking up for tanaka who got whacked into the boards by Henley was unreal,Harvey deserved his game penalty for the hit on plumton,but to downgrade plumtons and upgrade Harvey's is pathetic,Nickerson got a 9 game ban for doing the exact same thing against Chris frank,players who are excessively rough against unwilling combatants should get a ban of some sort. |
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Post by ted logan on Jan 21, 2014 14:13:49 GMT
Yeah I wasn't saying the boarding makes it OK to react like Plumton does, although perhaps understandable, just that it makes a Blaze fan calling out Darnell and Hanson for it a bit rich. Maybe they should've left it as was, although they'll have had a better view of what punishment Plumton managed to inflict there, I doubt Harvey would've looked to do him any favours when getting up from the ice. Darnell was shocking for both teams on Saturday night,the Henley call on griffin for roughing was soft. Glad you saw it that way too - I'm guessing you were sat closer than me but it looked a laughable call from block 14. Henley skates into the zone and Griffin tries a hit but literally bounced off Henley and they got tangled up then hit the ice. Panthers then had the puck for a while after that but still no call. Darnell then sees Griffin still prone on the ice. He whistles play down which is fair enough IMO as he was unaware if Griffin was badly injured. He then decides to call Henley for 'Roughing'. It's like deja vu from the Lepine days - fair hit from big tough, physical D man. Player hits the ice and stays down so must have been a dirty play. The standard of officiating in this league will never improve without proper investment/training. They do have a tough job but seem to get little or no help from EIHL Towers. |
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Post by scorch125 on Jan 21, 2014 14:25:56 GMT
Hard hitting,physical play in the eihl is in danger of becoming a lost cause,referees to happy to call for the slightest thing,send them over to the nhl to see how herd they hit over there and the players don't get penalised.darnell,hicks in the nhl there would be a bench clearance nearly every time I'd put money on it.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 21, 2014 14:38:11 GMT
Darnell was shocking for both teams on Saturday night,the Henley call on griffin for roughing was soft,the roughing penalty against Wilson for sticking up for tanaka who got whacked into the boards by Henley was unreal,Harvey deserved his game penalty for the hit on plumton,but to downgrade plumtons and upgrade Harvey's is pathetic,Nickerson got a 9 game ban for doing the exact same thing against Chris frank,players who are excessively rough against unwilling combatants should get a ban of some sort. I didn't realise Harvey had got a ban, although that sounds like an accumulation of checking from behind misconducts? On the wider point I agree with you that referees over here seem to struggle to judge physicality and what's acceptable. But like Ted says, how do they get better, who's going to teach them? Hanson?  Unless they spend some money they're not going to improve, and it's a shame because it's a detriment to the game. |
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Post by ted logan on Jan 21, 2014 14:38:22 GMT
Hard hitting,physical play in the eihl is in danger of becoming a lost cause,referees to happy to call for the slightest thing,send them over to the nhl to see how herd they hit over there and the players don't get penalised.darnell,hicks in the nhl there would be a bench clearance nearly every time I'd put money on it. I think that's the fear of many on here - that the league is fast heading towards becoming a minimal contact 'soft Euro' league. Be a massive shame if it did. Having watched the antics of Asiago in the CC it's a 'style' of hockey that many would turn their backs on I'm sure. Sending them to the NHL or bringing NHL officials over here is part of the training/investment that should be in place but is sadly lacking at the moment. Darnell was shocking for both teams on Saturday night,the Henley call on griffin for roughing was soft,the roughing penalty against Wilson for sticking up for tanaka who got whacked into the boards by Henley was unreal,Harvey deserved his game penalty for the hit on plumton,but to downgrade plumtons and upgrade Harvey's is pathetic,Nickerson got a 9 game ban for doing the exact same thing against Chris frank,players who are excessively rough against unwilling combatants should get a ban of some sort. I didn't realise Harvey had got a ban, although that sounds like an accumulation of checking from behind misconducts? On the wider point I agree with you that referees over here seem to struggle to judge physicality and what's acceptable. But like Ted says, how do they get better, who's going to teach them? Hanson? Unless they spend some money they're not going to improve, and it's a shame because it's a detriment to the game. You're right about the Harvey ban Yotes - Ban Details here:- www.eliteleague.co.uk/harvey-one-match-ban--p189939 |
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Unless they spend some money they're not going to improve, and it's a shame because it's a detriment to the game.