Zukiwskyfan
Simon Hunt
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Feb 27, 2013 23:39:15 GMT
First of all I just want to say a big congratulations to the Panthers on making it to the CC final again (just to make sure nobody gets upset again)
How many games suspension should this be?
Premeditated, blatant intent to injure and at the end of the day just a total lack of class.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 27, 2013 23:58:25 GMT
It's 15 years ago....
If you look at pretty much any sport they will have changed quite a bit in the last 15 years. Not necessarily for the better I might add.
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Baz
Simon Hunt
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Post by Baz on Feb 28, 2013 1:25:49 GMT
Don't get me going on GG, you'll be up all night. Don't think I'll ever like a player as much as I did him.
---and then of couse the slashing match he had with the larger dude from Ayr, Doyle was it? Made Wilson's slash on Ferguson look like a love tap..... <wipes tear from eye>.......and attacking Mike Ware......
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Post by bobness on Feb 28, 2013 8:36:25 GMT
In terms of how many games that incident should get that's easy. Zero, like it got at the time, and like Frank's penalty.
What penalty could it have been? Another easy one.
Roughing? High sticks? Check to the head? Minor? 2+10? Major? Match? Any combination of those, pretty much. Easy.
I was half expecting the announcement of the penalty, as it was in the good old days, to be along the lines of
"Let it be known, that I, Stef of the parish of Parliament Street, hereby decree following advice from my learned colleague Sir Andrew Carson of Sheffield, that the serf Graham of the parish of the work-house shall serve penal servitude of 2 minutes on occasion that he caused a fearful injury to Baron Sacratini of Wales, specifically that he somehow caused Baron Sacratini's head to be accidentally at the end of an extended sweep of his arms."
Agreed Garden was the kind of player that every team sould have. Fearless, chippy, not unskilled, hard working and would walk through walls for his team. I recall the slashing match with Doyle, there must have been 7 inches height difference but he did it anyway.
His missus was good value too. I used to sit at the front corner of the block between the benches at the old place (sniff) and when Andy Bezeau (another bloke who wasn't quite wired up right, but was 100% value to watch) checked him into the boards right in front of her (getting a 5+G in the process) I though she was going to attack Bezeau herself. She went absolutely bananas. Quality.
Andy Bezeau. There's a blast from the past. Later that game he was sat on a flight case in the "concourse". Built like a tank. Upper arms like tree trunks.
You know what, Zuk, I'm beginning to see where you're coming from....
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yeti
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Post by yeti on Feb 28, 2013 11:03:31 GMT
I agree with you Bobness don't think it would get any more than a minor now or a 2+10. However if it was done by one of our players to a Steeler, then they would be demanding a god knows how many game ban. With quotes in the press of it being the worst hit to the head ever seen and ex-players saying it wouldn't happen in their day without a fight happening straight after. I can't remember there being any retribution at the time. Cardiff were happy to have a powerplay.
I do remember in the Heiniken League when the BIHA (UKIH) actually ran the league and published the rules and the rules were printed in the Ice Hockey News Review (when it was a magazine worth buying) that spearing or butt ending automatically carried 5 game bans. So they were pretty strict with these type of bad stick penalties then. As a result spearing or butt endings hardly ever happened.
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fats
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Post by fats on Feb 28, 2013 11:56:50 GMT
Don't get me going on GG, you'll be up all night. Don't think I'll ever like a player as much as I did him. 100% agree Baz!! He was one of the guys that proved the old adage "it's not the size of the dog in the fight..it's the size of the fight in the dog!!" That was nothing more than a facewash to the back of the head. And, for a change, GG picked on someone more or less his own size... not on the poor bigger guys that he usually picked on. On top of that, don't forget that Vezz was one of the biggest wind-up merchants ever seen on these shores. Justified payback, I say!!
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Zukiwskyfan
Simon Hunt
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Feb 28, 2013 12:22:14 GMT
This is my point. It was nothing. Imagine if Frank did that exact same thing to Ling. the forum would be overloaded with calls for bans and how it was classless, no place for that kind of thing in our sport etc etc. another difference is these days the player would of gone down and stayed down milking it for everything that it's worth. That is the smart play these days which is such a shame. The Frank incident on Friday was no worse than this it's just a different era.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 28, 2013 12:32:16 GMT
This is my point. It was nothing. Imagine if Frank did that exact same thing to Ling. the forum would be overloaded with calls for bans and how it was classless, no place for that kind of thing in our sport etc etc. another difference is these days the player would of gone down and stayed down milking it for everything that it's worth. That is the smart play these days which is such a shame. The Frank incident on Friday was no worse than this it's just a different era. The Frank incident was worse. No question. Footage of both is available.
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Post by james1977 on Feb 28, 2013 12:37:24 GMT
The Frank incident was worse. No question. Footage of both is available. Indeed. The two aren't in the slightest comparable. Different era, different type of game, different offence, well just different all round. Of course that comment will probably make me a fan of soft 'euro' hockey in the eyes of Mr 'With Me Or Against Me'...... I blame Jacques Plante. It all started getting soft after he started wearing a mask.
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Zukiwskyfan
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Feb 28, 2013 12:46:48 GMT
This is my point. It was nothing. Imagine if Frank did that exact same thing to Ling. the forum would be overloaded with calls for bans and how it was classless, no place for that kind of thing in our sport etc etc. another difference is these days the player would of gone down and stayed down milking it for everything that it's worth. That is the smart play these days which is such a shame. The Frank incident on Friday was no worse than this it's just a different era. The Frank incident was worse. No question. Footage of both is available. How was it worse? Both where glove shots to the helmet. If anything Garden's punch was worse as it was from the blind side. Difference is 1 player milked it the other didn't.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 28, 2013 12:51:32 GMT
The 1st contact was glove to helmet.
The 2nd contact was stick to face.
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Zukiwskyfan
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Feb 28, 2013 13:09:06 GMT
The 1st contact was glove to helmet. The 2nd contact was stick to face. But the stick never touched his face. Both contacts was glove to helmet. You can tell with the direction Myers head goes that the main contact was on the side of his helmet.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 28, 2013 13:14:13 GMT
Looks like a deliberate stick to the face to me. Guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
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yeti
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Post by yeti on Feb 28, 2013 14:04:38 GMT
Don't think Myers fell down on purpose there. Matt's always falling over. Matt reminds me of what Greg Haddon use to say about Joel Porier ''only player in the team who can check himself into the boards''.
On your point about fans moaning on forums and wanting bans Zuk. Maybe it was better in the old days when it was only a quick moan in the pub and move on. Forums just keep some people moaning for longer. With some only too happy to be saying your players worst than ours ect. When the truth is there's no difference. We all have players do stupid things from time to time.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 28, 2013 14:55:37 GMT
The Frank incident was worse. No question. Footage of both is available. Indeed. The two aren't in the slightest comparable. Different era, different type of game, different offence, well just different all round. Of course that comment will probably make me a fan of soft 'euro' hockey in the eyes of Mr 'With Me Or Against Me'...... I blame Jacques Plante. It all started getting soft after he started wearing a mask. ;D
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Post by bobness on Feb 28, 2013 15:11:54 GMT
On your point about fans moaning on forums and wanting bans Zuk. Maybe it was better in the old days when it was only a quick moan in the pub and move on. Forums just keep some people moaning for longer. With some only too happy to be saying your players worst than ours ect. When the truth is there's no difference. We all have players do stupid things from time to time. Amen to that. 13 years ago you had a whinge in the bar at the end of the period over a pint, then walked straight past the dressing rooms on your way back to your seat, crashing Marty Dallman a Marlboro on the way, and got on with it. I often think they were simpler, gentler times....
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