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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 19:27:36 GMT
Yes it covers verbal abuse but there is no such offence as verbal assault
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Post by nate24 on Jan 27, 2013 20:27:59 GMT
Disgusted with the 3 on 1 'fight'. If this was North America there would be a major kick up and serious bans. Hard to prove to non-hockey fans it's not a thugs game with behavior like this. I would feel the same if it was the Panthers and would want the club to take action.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 23:48:59 GMT
Hey stef, I'll bring my super soaker to the next game, I don't want any complaints You'll need more than a super soaker when that 747 comes through the roof ;D
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 28, 2013 0:34:14 GMT
Hey stef, I'll bring my super soaker to the next game, I don't want any complaints You'll need more than a super soaker when that 747 comes through the roof ;D Now what have I told you about watching "The Medusa Touch" in the hours of darkness?
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Post by panthertom93 on Jan 28, 2013 2:01:29 GMT
Hey stef, I'll bring my super soaker to the next game, I don't want any complaints. If a petrol tanker crashed into the nic, measures are in place to prevent it and someone would be at fault and rightly punished. 3rd man in rule is supposed to protect players, not sure why it wasn't implemented and acted upon in the review? I hope Dundee swarm limp wrist next game and give him a beating. I'd much rather Dundee focus on the game and knock them out. Literally anticipating this change of decision about the extra game on the season ticket for Steelers. Such arrogance by them.
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Post by Randolf on Jan 28, 2013 11:21:44 GMT
A lot of hypocrisy from Sheffield fans regarding the 'incident' at the end... ranging from "fair and even fight" to "1 in all in"... not sure at what point 4 on 1 became even? I do think the DeCaro incident is a lot of fuss about nothing, if a fan gets in your face then they should expect a reaction. back to the main incident I think most Panthers fans criticised Wilson for his action and admitted he went a bit far (I noticed at shuff as well that during the game Wilson caught a Sheffield player on the bench with his stick as he went past, he acknowledged it and apologised) From what I've seen so far Frank seems a liability, watching him at the last game in Sheffield he was more intent on injuring people than playing , which is a shame as he's not a bad player... on one occasion he attempted to headbut Clarke (I think it was), obviously he was running around after Fox like a lovesick school girl and then the gracious handshake thing at the end. Again I think this behaviour (especially from the Dundee game) comes from the coach down, lack of leadership and no boundaries being set by the club regarding what is acceptable and what isn't. Trying to be objective (no I don't like Finnerty) I think if they want success then he needs to go.... so obviously I hope he signs a nice long contract extension as soon as possible. as has been said, the best response from Dundee is hit them where it hurts, win the game, knock them out the competition and maybe a wry smile and a wink to Limpwright and Franks during the handshakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 11:46:34 GMT
I think panthers should join in and boost the Dundee away support.
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Post by Pies on Jan 28, 2013 11:51:16 GMT
I think panthers should join in and boost the Dundee away support. Except we have our own game that night...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 13:00:29 GMT
That's a good point
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Post by kgw on Jan 28, 2013 13:56:38 GMT
A lot of hypocrisy from Sheffield fans regarding the 'incident' at the end... ranging from "fair and even fight" to "1 in all in"... not sure at what point 4 on 1 became even? I do think the DeCaro incident is a lot of fuss about nothing, if a fan gets in your face then they should expect a reaction. back to the main incident I think most Panthers fans criticised Wilson for his action and admitted he went a bit far (I noticed at shuff as well that during the game Wilson caught a Sheffield player on the bench with his stick as he went past, he acknowledged it and apologised) From what I've seen so far Frank seems a liability, watching him at the last game in Sheffield he was more intent on injuring people than playing , which is a shame as he's not a bad player... on one occasion he attempted to headbut Clarke (I think it was), obviously he was running around after Fox like a lovesick school girl and then the gracious handshake thing at the end. Again I think this behaviour (especially from the Dundee game) comes from the coach down, lack of leadership and no boundaries being set by the club regarding what is acceptable and what isn't. Trying to be objective (no I don't like Finnerty) I think if they want success then he needs to go.... so obviously I hope he signs a nice long contract extension as soon as possible. as has been said, the best response from Dundee is hit them where it hurts, win the game, knock them out the competition and maybe a wry smile and a wink to Limpwright and Franks during the handshakes. I think you may be getting Frank and Fata mixed up there. I don't know how the DeCaro incident has gone from what actually appeared to have happened on the video, to him "hitting a minor". It looked like he pushed someone away to me. He didn't appear to "hit "anyone. The others jumping the Dundee player is not acceptable. Limpright should've handled it himself as he is a decent fighter. Not sure why Hewitt was throwing punches, he comes across as a bit of a t0sser to me. Frank's reacton was way over the top but in actual fact he's been pretty decent since arriving. He hasn't taken a lot of penalties and was reluctant to be drawn into fights on a couple of occasions.
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Post by Gilly on Jan 28, 2013 13:58:04 GMT
how was the Legue slash on Riopel different to Wilsons Slash on Ferguson? Sheffield are a joke
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Post by Pies on Jan 28, 2013 14:06:38 GMT
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Post by james1977 on Jan 28, 2013 14:07:24 GMT
Not sure why Hewitt was throwing punches, he comes across as a bit of a t0sser to me..... Possible understatement of the season right there. The 'British Bulldog' apparently....... how was the Legue slash on Riopel different to Wilsons Slash on Ferguson? Sheffield are a joke Indeed. One set of standards isn't enough for many Steelers fans, they prefer to double up. Maybe if Riopel had died on the ice in a similar style to Ferguson and the press had been full of "aimed at the solar plexus" type pap (straight from DS the BS's Ladybird Book of Anatomy) the next day, things would be different.
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Post by kezypanther on Jan 28, 2013 14:15:01 GMT
Hartman is right though, I would say panthers play a tough game but I wouldn't say we were dirty. Sheffield on the other hand ...
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Post by StolenAngelSlice on Jan 28, 2013 14:35:07 GMT
Oh dear some very misguided statements on this thread. Law side of things; words can be an assault if they cause someone to fear for their own or another's safety, it is battery (common assault) that requires force. Is water squirting force? Nah.
With the whole argument over signing tough. Rubbish. The video shows an incident and Harper comes across to stick up for his team mate as it should happen. Then the whiter than white Steelers turn to ganging up with at least 3? people throwing punches. Get a grip if that's ok in anyones book.
Having watched a majority of highlights this year it is a theme of this years Steelers team to play underhanded tactics. Niggle, chirp (usually the ref), cheapshot and play act (looking at you Ferguson).
I really hope the Stars dump them out. I used to dislike Coventry more than Sheffield in recent years but if there is one team to hate then it is definitely them now.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 29, 2013 12:25:55 GMT
Wow - just watched this for the first time. Wanted the likes of Voth and Wilson hung from the nearest lamp-post yet condoning that? Four men attacking one? Netminder punching a fan? Disgrace. Stay classy Sheffield eh?
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Jan 29, 2013 17:59:47 GMT
Hartman is right though, I would say panthers play a tough game but I wouldn't say we were dirty. Sheffield on the other hand ... We are a dirty team!!! We can play tough and good hockey but we also are just as dirty as any other team in the League!!! Reading the article from the Caps I have no sympathy for them either. They have done nothing to protect themselves and a team has taken advantage of that and rightly so. We have been accused of underhand tactics this season against soft teams. It's what any good team would do.
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 29, 2013 19:20:26 GMT
I don't agree with the point you make at all.
I do believe that if teams don't want to be taken advantage of, then they should sign some team toughness.
But to say a 4 on 1 attack is acceptable because they never signed team toughness is a little unfair.
If I was out with 4 young lads and 4 thugs jumped me and beat me, I don't believe any judge would let the thugs off and suggest that in future I socialise with tougher friends.
You mention that Steelers took advantage of their weakness and rightly so. I agree with this also. But this was when the game was over.
Taking advantage of a weak team would be sending out a tough guy to smash a skilled euro girl! Not release 4 men onto 1.
To make things worse in that video, one stars player does skate towards the scuffle to try and help only to be ushered away by a steelers player.
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Post by wagstaff on Jan 29, 2013 22:42:20 GMT
Agreed that Dundee needed to move the barrier, and that them doing so now is a good thing... doesn't excuse DeCaro in any way whatsoever, nor should it deflect one bit of attention from the fact that there needs to be disciplinary action taken against him. Be it a full-on punch or 'just' a shove, DeCaro initiated a physical altercation with a fan. No amount of verbals excuses that (if that was a real excuse, then players would be able to get away with full-on assault at pretty much every rink in the country!). But there's still plenty of room under the EIHL carpet... I think that after already reviewing and confirming the Frank penalty that they would have said something then about the Decaro incident too, unless they now wait for people to become irate on forums before they review other stuff?? I disagree that "DeCaro initiated a physical altercation with a fan" as the fan was there in the 1st place and physically wanted to be a in position close enough to give verbals and was bobing back and forth towards our players (therefore a potential physical threat - as been proved by the DIA now moving the barrier). I also think that if it was KWall shoving a Cardiff, Coventry, Edinburgh, Dundee, Fife or Hull fan as he left their rink to go to the dressing room then you would probably just blame the lack of security and say that the fan probably was being a numpty..... Sorry someone may have said this already as there's another 4 pages but what the hell has this got to do with KWal....... Nothing, so why bring him in with a hypothetical scenario that hasn't happened? None of this claptrap is relevant, the question from the game is did DeCaro hit a fan or did he defend himself ?
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Post by paganpanther666 on Jan 30, 2013 10:10:39 GMT
Oh dear some very misguided statements on this thread. Law side of things; words can be an assault if they cause someone to fear for their own or another's safety, it is battery (common assault) that requires force. Is water squirting force? Nah. Wrong, i'm afraid. Thew slightest touching amounts to battery (See Criminal Justice Act 1988). Even jostling at a bar,for example, is technically battery. Throwing water at someone would easily fulfill the definition.
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Post by yeti on Jan 30, 2013 10:32:08 GMT
Not sure what message Sheffield sent Zuk, apart from if you beat us we will be mardy. Tough play during a game sends a message and taking advantage of another teams lack of toughness is fine. However having a 4 on1 fight after the game is over only shows you to be sore lossers. Don't think Dundee will let it stop them playing how they want to play the second leg and don't think the'll be scared of Sheffield either. Probabily if they stay in front during the game they will wind up the Sheffield players more as the game goes on and laugh as the Steelers players keep marching of to the sin bin.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Jan 30, 2013 11:19:37 GMT
Not sure what message Sheffield sent Zuk, apart from if you beat us we will be mardy. That's exactly the message it sends. Do you really think teams look forward to games when it's in their minds "if we win tonight they might beat us up late on in the game" Message sending used to happen regularly but the awfull "instigator in the last 2 mins" rule came in and took that tactic away.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Jan 30, 2013 11:27:00 GMT
If you look at the bigger picture here Sheffield where smart with this. Sami took a dumb penalty going after Hewitt and Hewitt sucked it up and took the pp to give them the 5 on 3. Smart play!!!! All the steelers did was address the situation when the game was over and it wasn't going to hurt their team. For Hewitt to fight Sami while they was on the pp would of been the dumbest move to make.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 30, 2013 11:42:11 GMT
These teams should sign some toughness next season.
4 on 1, clear the benchs.
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Post by yeti on Jan 30, 2013 14:08:51 GMT
Whilst I see your point Zuk and generally agree with you when it comes to enforcers ect. In this instance I don't think it will make any difference to Dundee. Yes Sami was daft getting the last penalty. Sheffield can play it tough tonight but I don't think Dundee will be intimidated and Sami won't be quacking in fear of Hewitt. If the message is beat us and we beat you up then I think the Dundee players will be happy with that and have the last laugh.
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