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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 20, 2012 11:40:36 GMT
The pt reason we weren't in the running in my opinion this year is the mcaslan mess. If we'd left sammi in the team we'd have won those games and the consistency would have been there the whole year . Can't blame him for coming back back but bums on seats was the reason for the decision. McAslan is still a better player than Ryhanen. Look at the points he got in the few games he played when he came back. All this "we love you Sami" chanting i don't get. Average player. I think Panthers fans are too easily pleased. Perhaps this is why we don't get a real quality team every season. You can tell when Giants and Steelers go splashing the cash on top end AHL/DEL/ECHL players they intend to go out and win everything they can. I just think with Neil Black, he knows Moran is good at marketing the club and getting fans in and money comes before success. What did Sheffield win last season? What did Nottingham win last season?
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Post by tessier26 on Apr 20, 2012 11:45:08 GMT
McAslan is still a better player than Ryhanen. Look at the points he got in the few games he played when he came back. All this "we love you Sami" chanting i don't get. Average player. I think Panthers fans are too easily pleased. Perhaps this is why we don't get a real quality team every season. You can tell when Giants and Steelers go splashing the cash on top end AHL/DEL/ECHL players they intend to go out and win everything they can. I just think with Neil Black, he knows Moran is good at marketing the club and getting fans in and money comes before success. McAslan got 2 points in 4 games. = 0.50 points per game. Ryhanen got 34 points in 29 games = 1.17 points per game. Yes, but McAslan was'nt in game shape and did'nt have time to adjust to the team. Imagine how many point he would have got if allowed time to get fit and gel with the team. You could see he still had it which was impressive if he had only been playing rec hockey as was suggested on here.
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Post by tessier26 on Apr 20, 2012 11:47:22 GMT
McAslan is still a better player than Ryhanen. Look at the points he got in the few games he played when he came back. All this "we love you Sami" chanting i don't get. Average player. I think Panthers fans are too easily pleased. Perhaps this is why we don't get a real quality team every season. You can tell when Giants and Steelers go splashing the cash on top end AHL/DEL/ECHL players they intend to go out and win everything they can. I just think with Neil Black, he knows Moran is good at marketing the club and getting fans in and money comes before success. What did Sheffield win last season? What did Nottingham win last season? They had a new owner and coach plus more than likely did'nt spend as much as the previous 2 seasons. How much success have thay had in the last few years?
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 20, 2012 11:50:01 GMT
McAslan got 2 points in 4 games. = 0.50 points per game. Ryhanen got 34 points in 29 games = 1.17 points per game. Yes, but McAslan was'nt in game shape and did'nt have time to adjust to the team. Imagine how many point he would have got if allowed time to get fit and gel with the team. You could see he still had it which was impressive if he had only been playing rec hockey as was suggested on here. If's but's and maybe's. Why say "Look at the points he got in the few games he played when he came back" when he only got 2?
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Post by Gsxr on Apr 20, 2012 12:20:42 GMT
McAslan got 2 points in 4 games. = 0.50 points per game. Ryhanen got 34 points in 29 games = 1.17 points per game. Yes, but McAslan was'nt in game shape and did'nt have time to adjust to the team. Imagine how many point he would have got if allowed time to get fit and gel with the team. You could see he still had it which was impressive if he had only been playing rec hockey as was suggested on here. Regardless . He wasn't ready and it cost us . Sammi is a very good player and I can't knock him to be honest. Not sure what sammi you've been watching
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Post by sanjosefan on Apr 20, 2012 12:30:50 GMT
I don't understand the mentality of the Panther fans. Tessier26 I'm not having a personal dig, but to emphasize my point. Gallant, McAslan, Tessier are history. They came, they played, boarded a plane and went home. While we have fond memories of the players you mentioned.
Neilson took the helm in 2008/09 we've brought back Molin, St. Pierre and McAslan whilst their actions on the ice were appreciated by the fans when they were employed on a full time basis.
The brief cameos have some what tainted there reputation in my humble opinion.
As for the Giants and Steelers signing top end AHL/DEL players no they don't. If they're top end players, those players would be hoping for a chance to play in the NHL, KHL.
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Post by tessier26 on Apr 20, 2012 13:54:26 GMT
I don't understand the mentality of the Panther fans. Tessier26 I'm not having a personal dig, but to emphasize my point. Gallant, McAslan, Tessier are history. They came, they played, boarded a plane and went home. While we have fond memories of the players you mentioned. Neilson took the helm in 2008/09 we've brought back Molin, St. Pierre and McAslan whilst their actions on the ice were appreciated by the fans when they were employed on a full time basis. The brief cameos have some what tainted there reputation in my humble opinion. As for the Giants and Steelers signing top end AHL/DEL players no they don't. If they're top end players, those players would be hoping for a chance to play in the NHL, KHL. Ok, so they have gone home, but that does'nt stop us signing other players of similar skill and ability. Ofcourse they are not top AHL/DEL players in those leagues but for the calibre of player we get over here they are top quality.
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Post by Gsxr on Apr 20, 2012 14:37:24 GMT
Sign them yes but not at the expense of upsetting the status quo and taking out a proven player .
And do it at the start of the season not 3/4 through just to get bums on seats for 2 weekends .
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Post by sanjosefan on Apr 20, 2012 14:38:45 GMT
You could argue that that Ryhanen and Fox have higher ability than Tessier and McAslan.
Tessier never won a trophy with the Panthers, Whilst McAslan won a playoff championship and two challenge cups.
Fox and Ryhanen were apart of the the retaining double side.
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Post by tessier26 on Apr 20, 2012 14:51:09 GMT
You could argue that that Ryhanen and Fox have higher ability than Tessier and McAslan. Tessier never won a trophy with the Panthers, Whilst McAslan won a playoff championship and two challenge cups. Fox and Ryhanen were apart of the the retaining double side. You could argue that, but i bet most fans would agree thats incorrect. Just look at the teams and leagues Tess played in, the awards he got. Plus, McAslan always was quality. Fox and certainly Ryhanen are not at the same level ability wise.
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Post by Gsxr on Apr 20, 2012 15:00:36 GMT
I disagree . Mcaslan in his hey day maybe but not now ..
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Post by ted logan on Apr 20, 2012 15:14:30 GMT
You could argue that that Ryhanen and Fox have higher ability than Tessier and McAslan. Tessier never won a trophy with the Panthers, Whilst McAslan won a playoff championship and two challenge cups. Fox and Ryhanen were apart of the the retaining double side. You could argue that, but i bet most fans would agree thats incorrect. Just look at the teams and leagues Tess played in, the awards he got. Plus, McAslan always was quality. Fox and certainly Ryhanen are not at the same level ability wise. I think you're under estimating Fox in particular. Scores goals, good passer, finishes his hits, forechecks, winds the oppostion up and can fight when he needs to - ask David Phillips where his teeth are. Any team in this league would love to have him on their roster. He's a very important part of our set-up. Tess and Mcaslan were quality though but they're in the past now and the whole 'Retun of the Mac' thing last season was farcical IMHO
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Post by Gsxr on Apr 20, 2012 15:26:16 GMT
Farcical is an understatement
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Post by sanjosefan on Apr 20, 2012 17:11:26 GMT
You could argue that that Ryhanen and Fox have higher ability than Tessier and McAslan. Tessier never won a trophy with the Panthers, Whilst McAslan won a playoff championship and two challenge cups. Fox and Ryhanen were apart of the the retaining double side. You could argue that, but i bet most fans would agree thats incorrect. Just look at the teams and leagues Tess played in, the awards he got. Plus, McAslan always was quality. Fox and certainly Ryhanen are not at the same level ability wise. So Tessier has played in the second tier of German Hockey and Swiss hockey and in the Netherlands and IHL and a 19 game in the DEL And Fox has played in the IHL, AHL, second league in Finland. Where is your argument? They've both played hockey for a living and made a good wage.
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Post by tessier26 on Apr 20, 2012 17:45:30 GMT
You could argue that, but i bet most fans would agree thats incorrect. Just look at the teams and leagues Tess played in, the awards he got. Plus, McAslan always was quality. Fox and certainly Ryhanen are not at the same level ability wise. So Tessier has played in the second tier of German Hockey and Swiss hockey and in the Netherlands and IHL and a 19 game in the DEL And Fox has played in the IHL, AHL, second league in Finland. Where is your argument? They've both played hockey for a living and made a good wage. The argument is that anybody whos seen Tessier and Fox play knows that Tessier is the better player. More skillful, great on the PP, brilliant passing and scores more often than not shooting. You could just see how he moved with the puck, made it look easy.
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Post by Pies on Apr 20, 2012 18:01:50 GMT
So Tessier has played in the second tier of German Hockey and Swiss hockey and in the Netherlands and IHL and a 19 game in the DEL And Fox has played in the IHL, AHL, second league in Finland. Where is your argument? They've both played hockey for a living and made a good wage. The argument is that anybody whos seen Tessier and Fox play knows that Tessier is the better player. More skillful, great on the PP, brilliant passing and scores more often than not shooting. You could just see how he moved with the puck, made it look easy. Also walked out on the club when more money was offered. Tess was a brillait player but he's the past now. He didnt win us anything and wasnt a team player. Foc over tess IMO
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Post by HappyGilmore on Apr 20, 2012 18:06:30 GMT
I don't think that you are slow off the mark. Sheffield and Cardiff have been busy in the past few weeks but the Giants have also not made any signings yet. It really doesn't matter how quickly players are signed.
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Post by LUFC on Apr 20, 2012 18:09:09 GMT
Simply put, i would sign up the brits and take my time over the imports.
We have until late August to amass a team and get them over for the start of September.
So many months to find the right players in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 18:11:22 GMT
Simply put, i would sign up the brits and take my time over the imports. We have until late August to amass a team and get them over for the start of September. So many months to find the right players in. +1
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Post by tessier26 on Apr 20, 2012 18:13:42 GMT
The argument is that anybody whos seen Tessier and Fox play knows that Tessier is the better player. More skillful, great on the PP, brilliant passing and scores more often than not shooting. You could just see how he moved with the puck, made it look easy. Also walked out on the club when more money was offered. Tess was a brillait player but he's the past now. He didnt win us anything and wasnt a team player. Foc over tess IMO So your telling me if you were offered a job paying a lot more money elsewhere and you had a family to support you would'nt accept it? I don't get how you can say he was'nt a team player as he was usually the one setting up all the powerplays and getting the team fired up on the bench, i should know, my seat used to be near the players bench.
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Post by james1977 on Apr 20, 2012 18:19:32 GMT
Ahhh, blind loyalty. Always a useful tool in a discussion.
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Post by sanjosefan on Apr 20, 2012 18:36:52 GMT
Also walked out on the club when more money was offered. Tess was a brilliant player but he's the past now. He didn't win us anything and wasn't a team player. Fox over Tess IMO So your telling me if you were offered a job paying a lot more money elsewhere and you had a family to support you wouldn't accept it? I don't get how you can say he wasn't a team player as he was usually the one setting up all the power plays and getting the team fired up on the bench, i should know, my seat used to be near the players bench. Setting up all the PP? I massively disagree, OK in 05/06 he may have been the focal point on the PP in his second stint we has Galbraith and Neilson as well as Tessier on the PP. As for scoring goals Tessier scored 15 05/06 and 21 in 08/09 Fox netted 29. Tessier may have been a more entertaining player to watch but Fox has more substance I'd rather have substance over style everyday of the week. What did Tessier achieve when he was a Panther? Also the EIHL has moved on since Tessier was a EIHL player when most teams were mainly two line teams now teams are looking to play three solid lines.
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Post by texpef on Apr 20, 2012 19:24:08 GMT
then dont sign for a team for the season and look elsewhere at the same time.. smacks of a filler job rather than a committed import... I am sure if he had said i will sign but am looking elsewhere then we wouldnt have brought him over here...
Mind you it aint tess' fault that the club took the compensation money and didnt spend it but instead signed a sheffield rejection....
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