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Post by richard1969 on Jan 14, 2012 21:48:34 GMT
Last year Starchan become bench coach when we lost the League
Just before New Year GM brings Mcaslan in when we were getting restless
Now I predict Corey wont go but GM knows he will have to try something to distract away the fans away from fact we are going nowhere in the League once again
What could it be - maybe Corey stops playing and concentrates on coaching we win a cup or playoffs and he buys himself another season
Or maybe we get an announcement to appease us that Corey will stay til end of season - we win the playoffs and then everybody is smiling and we forget and before we know it he is still coach next season
Next year the distraction - cant think of what he could do after that tbh
I just know GM will find a way to distract us
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Post by Ghost on Jan 14, 2012 21:57:50 GMT
Sick of GM spin, Crap cheesy PR, stupid catchphrases and most of all, shoddy results.
GM thinks he's professional. Any fool can see, he's not.
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Post by texpef on Jan 14, 2012 23:48:26 GMT
Now getting very close to that fat lady singing, i know he is a rookie but to have a team that squeak wins instead of losses....  |
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Post by Mark on Jan 14, 2012 23:57:34 GMT
I wonder if the club really think it's acceptable to continually fall short in the league? An honest answer from those at the top would be appreciated.
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Post by texpef on Jan 15, 2012 0:21:59 GMT
Well proof of the pudding is in the eating, as it happens every year Mark i would suspect they think its fine as long as we dont complain too loudly...
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Post by Dan on Jan 15, 2012 0:30:04 GMT
Moran is a professional. We're still a rock solid and profitable club.
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Post by warx on Jan 15, 2012 0:50:34 GMT
Moran is a professional. We're still a rock solid and profitable club. Allow me to play devils advocate on this one for a minute. Nottingham have built a great business model and have become a sound club, but Moran has also seen the club fail year after year to win the big target- the league. He has also seen plenty of coaches come and go under his stewardship. Now at some point he has to take a measure of responsibility for this. Now I'm certainly not advocating he be let go, he has done a lot for your club, however from an outsiders perspective it does seem as though the Panthers are fairly complacent in some areas. He clearly understands the game well, yet has allowed coaches to build run-and-gun teams that entertain, but don't bring home the championships. Your merchandise also leaves a lot to be desired and is clearly an area in which you could generate a whole heap of extra revenue. Just food for thought though. |
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Post by barthez on Jan 15, 2012 1:06:27 GMT
I think it's time for a new coach & a new gm
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Post by Shorty on Jan 15, 2012 7:21:21 GMT
I was under the impression that this was Corey's last season in charge anyway.
Whistle wants a return to the UK, so perhaps we should be talking to him.....
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Post by richard1969 on Jan 15, 2012 8:55:04 GMT
Having read up what happened I think the incidents at the end of the game may be the distraction that GM needed temporarily
No way will GM go anywhere (but he will fight to protect Corey as he is comfortable with him)
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Post by bobness on Jan 15, 2012 9:34:01 GMT
Nottingham have built a great business model and have become a sound club, but Moran has also seen the club fail year after year to win the big target- the league. He has also seen plenty of coaches come and go under his stewardship. Now at some point he has to take a measure of responsibility for this. Now I'm certainly not advocating he be let go, he has done a lot for your club, however from an outsiders perspective it does seem as though the Panthers are fairly complacent in some areas. He clearly understands the game well, yet has allowed coaches to build run-and-gun teams that entertain, but don't bring home the championships. Your merchandise also leaves a lot to be desired and is clearly an area in which you could generate a whole heap of extra revenue. As far as I know, the GM's job is to ensure success OFF the ice, the coach's ON the ice. If that's true, we have the best GM in the league. Unquestionably. Although I do agree, the Panthers merchandise is pretty poor (and I believe there is way more revenue to be had here) and the "traditional" (printed) advertising (all this "Come to the Party..." stuff) is appalling, even to an accountant. Put it in front of, say, trentbarton's media guy and his head would probably pop clean off his shoulders. However, cars, houses, flights and ITC cards all seem to happen seamlessly, without any fuss at all. Players always seem comfortable and well thought of in Nottingham. And that's down to the GM. Panthers have the biggest crowds by far in the league, even of the Arena teams, both of which are in bigger cities. Only Coventry are in front of us in terms of % of capacity too, so it isn't just "Ooh you have a big arena and a big city..." (Source here - www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/04/12/ice-hockey-in-britain-attracts-more-people-than-you-think-and-some-of-our-crowds-beat-cricket/)You have to ask why this is the case and come up with something based in fact. Again, for me, big tick to the GM. Despite his somewhat iffy advertising  Devil's advocate question from me. Is the league "the Big Prize"? It isn't in NA, where the vast majority of the players come from. Is it really the reason why Panthers exist? Over the Playoffs, for instance? And I speak as a man who wants to see us win the league in his lifetime, and has spent 20 fruitless years so far. Brutally, we can draw 4000+ (the best average EIHL attendance) to games without winning the league, so why should we? That's the genesis of the "run and gun" team isn't it? An exciting package will draw the crowds, and we have all season to get it right for 4 games at the end? Which we seem to be pretty good at? Meanwhile, the Panthers are a profitable business. Which, let's face it, is what Mr Black wants. As to Corey and the puck in the crowd, there's a lot of hysterical reaction on FB/Twitter, most of which is drivel. We could probably use some facts before being judge jury and executioner. The fact that Simmsey is "defending" Corey 0n Twitter should be a clue here... As to the alleged spitting incidents referred to, these so called fans should be named, shamed and banned, if that's what happened. There's no place for that in hockey, full stop. Could be a barn burner tonight.... |
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Post by elliottstanley on Jan 15, 2012 11:21:33 GMT
The league is undoubtedly the big prize in this country, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by suggesting otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 12:11:57 GMT
surely GM is running out of ideas for distractions though?
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Post by texpef on Jan 15, 2012 12:42:37 GMT
Not sure the right thread for this but here goes anyway.
We maintain good crowds despite not even consistently challenging for the league and i know over the years of plenty of panthers fans that have given up on the team stating that the management care more about the bottom line than on ice success. now at some point there will come a time when the bottom of the barrel is reached and new fans will not equal the amount of old fans lost. Its ok saying well we get good crowds with run and gun alleged exciting hockey but there will come a time when the majority of the fan base demands on ice success?
Oh and last point dont bleat about winning the league Danny the day that it is probably the straw that broke our challenge it just looks stupid...
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Post by bobness on Jan 15, 2012 12:44:50 GMT
The league is undoubtedly the big prize in this country, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by suggesting otherwise. Says who? Really. I'm curious, really. It's nice to win the President's Trophy in the NHL, but it's not the big prize over there. Why is it so big here? Presumably because we haven't won it? FWIW, I wish we did could win the league, but I'm not too disappointed, with us winning other trophies regularly. |
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Post by elliottstanley on Jan 15, 2012 12:49:09 GMT
at some point there will come a time when the bottom of the barrel is reached and new fans will not equal the amount of old fans lost. Spot on. GM himself has admitted on numerous occasions that the attrition within the fan base is high - there are only so many people in Nottingham and surrounding areas you can tap into before you are in the place of having to try to tempt back the bewildered fans who gave up going. Personally I cannot just 'stop supporting', I am Nottingham through and through, I love my teams and the bond between fan and club is one that is tethered for life - that said I do have a choice over parting with my cash so whilst I really hope we win tonight I wont be driving up to Nottingham for the game. I thought I'd probably go to 20 odd games this season, as it stands I wont make 10. Will always love the club but it's incumbent on them to tempt me back - right now, while times are good, they probably aren't bothered but come the time when they need those of us they've alienated it wont be as easy as sending round Paws in the back of a smart car. I said before and I will say again the club have no idea how to set, pursue and realise a strategic vision for the whole operation - they are treading water doing the same things they've always done, relying on the same outdated techniques, old technology and one day the modern world will catch up with them and smack them in the face. |
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Post by texpef on Jan 15, 2012 12:50:10 GMT
bobness we arent the NHL and this isnt america, its all about the league for the leagues that matter in this country and ice hockey is no different...
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Post by elliottstanley on Jan 15, 2012 12:56:16 GMT
The league is undoubtedly the big prize in this country, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by suggesting otherwise. Says who? Really. I'm curious, really. It's nice to win the President's Trophy in the NHL, but it's not the big prize over there. Why is it so big here? Presumably because we haven't won it? FWIW, I wish we did could win the league, but I'm not too disappointed, with us winning other trophies regularly. Are you asking a serious question? I mean genuinely are you in doubt as to what is considered the biggest prize on these shores? It is the league - players may not understand that before they arrive but they know it once they are here - see Jono's interview with Danny Meyers early season (" For me, it’s got to a point now where I feel my career rests on this league championship" and "I’d like to be the captain that lifts the league, I want to be that guy, I crave to be the captain that does it. I’d be left with a massive regret in my life if I do not win this league title. "), see numerous threads on here and other forums from the fans of all the clubs, see comments from Thommo, Christiansen and other coaches. I'm not saying winning other trophies is meaningless, far from it - but the league is the big prize, that's how sport works in the UK and largely across Europe - play offs is an American concept, something we've never really grasped. Plus our play off format doesn't lend itself to being considered as a big prize. |
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Post by bill238 on Jan 15, 2012 13:06:07 GMT
In the UK the league is the most important trophy, it isn't even worthy of a debate TBH. While it is nice to win the playoffs or the CC its the league that all teams want to win.
P.S: Elliot I believe we are the only league in the world where the league is most important trophy
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Post by johnbluebeam on Jan 15, 2012 13:18:02 GMT
With JH now injured, out for who knows how long, SMc appearing to be here only part-time, if GM wants another distraction how about getting a D-man in whilst we can still mathematically , though not realistically, win the league.
A ready made fit in my book with all the necessary paperwork in place, would be Angel Nikolov. He's steady, reliable and doesn't give away many penalties.
He's only had to play 16 games for Amiens, so another 20 plus for us should be no problem.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 15, 2012 13:46:51 GMT
I Bet they are already in talks with Kevin Bergin lol
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 15, 2012 13:50:53 GMT
I said before and I will say again the club have no idea how to set, pursue and realise a strategic vision for the whole operation - they are treading water doing the same things they've always done, relying on the same outdated techniques, old technology and one day the modern world will catch up with them and smack them in the face. They know full well that hockey has no long term future in this country in it's present form. Clubs going bust, clubs sending out come and save us messages, same owners owning numerous clubs. It's all about making as much as possible for as long as they can. |
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Post by Spoonerdudes on Jan 15, 2012 15:43:37 GMT
The league is undoubtedly the big prize in this country, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by suggesting otherwise. Says who? Really. I'm curious, really. It's nice to win the President's Trophy in the NHL, but it's not the big prize over there. Why is it so big here? Presumably because we haven't won it? FWIW, I wish we did could win the league, but I'm not too disappointed, with us winning other trophies regularly. that's the difference...in NA its the post season that is the Prize, over here its always the League. Its in the British way of sports...Most sports hold the League winners as the champions. |
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Post by wheelsandsnipe on Jan 15, 2012 17:56:22 GMT
If people weren't so rightly/wrongly cynical of the Panthers organisation, surely they would see that these 'distractions' are GM addressing problems that need to be addressed.
I'm not Moran's biggest fan, but bringing in Strachan, extra imports as cover etc can only be good decisions by him for the benefit of the team, right? Haters gonna hate.
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Post by Mark on Jan 15, 2012 18:02:16 GMT
The Challenge Cup games are very often doubled up with league games and the final is a two legged affair with no showpiece finale. It takes just four games to win the EIHL playoffs. It really is a no brainer what the most important competition is for the Panthers or any other club.
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